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legendary
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October 11, 2014, 11:22:45 PM
#14
17 rounds?
Isn't that excessive?
An average of ~15% of fired bullets from a police officer in a gun fight (from NYPD) hits, deviating no more than 10% (nominal) from that either way from 1990-2000.

One hit from 17 rounds fired'd be >5%, 2 being ~12%. Assuming the guy wasn't standing still ten feet in front of them and was exceptionally fat - pretty reasonable. Incidentally, if you round the tenths up, the average rounds fired in a gunfight, on average, by officers in the year 2000 is 17. http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS.pdf fwiw

And these guys are trained marksmen? Professionals even? I thought they had to pass tests in order to participate, as well as demonstrate continuing competence over the course of employment.

It will be vindicating, but sad when everyone realizes this isn't a race issue at all. This is a class issue. You may fare a little worse statistically if you are a minority, but as events like this become increasingly more common, one can't help but wonder if it's safe for any citizen that comes in proximity of the police. And despite the increased media coverage as of late, the frequency of events like this has increased, as well as the severity of the incidents. I have seen clips of various flavors of police brutality perpetrated against the young, old, blacks, whites and the mentally infirm. Apparently anybody can get it, over here. Doesn't seem like there is much incentive not to bust a cap in someone's ass. It's SOP, so you're covered, and hell, he could have a gun. Why take a chance?  Wink

You rarely see this type of police behavior perpetrated on the very wealthy, however. It's probably just a coincidence.
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
October 11, 2014, 10:51:38 PM
#13
Multiple witnesses report Myers was unarmed and holding a sandwich when the officer shot him 16 times.

I'd like to see the source of this...
donator
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October 11, 2014, 10:50:39 PM
#12
17 rounds?
Isn't that excessive?
An average of ~15% of fired bullets from a police officer in a gun fight (from NYPD) hits, deviating no more than 10% (nominal) from that either way from 1990-2000.

One hit from 17 rounds fired'd be >5%, 2 being ~12%. Assuming the guy wasn't standing still ten feet in front of them and was exceptionally fat - pretty reasonable. Incidentally, if you round the tenths up, the average rounds fired in a gunfight, on average, by officers in the year 2000 is 17. http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS.pdf fwiw
legendary
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Vile Vixen and Miss Bitcointalk 2021-2023
October 11, 2014, 10:41:38 PM
#11
I'm not a cop, just someone with more experience with firearms than just watching movies and playing video games.
hero member
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October 11, 2014, 10:21:04 PM
#10
Anyone who thinks 17 rounds is excessive has clearly been watching too many movies and has no idea of how gunfighting actually works in reality. In a gunfight, you keep shooting until your opponent is dead or unconscious, or they drop their weapon, surrender, or escape, or you run out of ammo. The latter outcome is one of the most common, as people usually do not instantly drop dead when shot. A single gunshot wound is rarely fatal, and even a fatal wound rarely kills quickly. It almost always takes multiple shots to quickly incapacitate someone, often a surprisingly large number to someone who's never seen an actual gunfight. This is one of the main reasons the police switched from revolvers to semiautomatics: revolvers may be simpler to use, but the people who say "6 shots is enough to kill anything" just plain don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

I can tell you're a cop, because I've heard testimonies from ex-cops in America that they were trained to shoot until they were empty.

The Daily Mail (UK) - Schizophrenic man shot by cops 80 times until he 'had no face'
no surprise, since it requires thinking to know how many bullets are left in your clip.
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October 11, 2014, 10:12:47 PM
#9
Anyone who thinks 17 rounds is excessive has clearly been watching too many movies and has no idea of how gunfighting actually works in reality. In a gunfight, you keep shooting until your opponent is dead or unconscious, or they drop their weapon, surrender, or escape, or you run out of ammo. The latter outcome is one of the most common, as people usually do not instantly drop dead when shot. A single gunshot wound is rarely fatal, and even a fatal wound rarely kills quickly. It almost always takes multiple shots to quickly incapacitate someone, often a surprisingly large number to someone who's never seen an actual gunfight. This is one of the main reasons the police switched from revolvers to semiautomatics: revolvers may be simpler to use, but the people who say "6 shots is enough to kill anything" just plain don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

I can tell you're a cop, because I've heard testimonies from ex-cops in America that they were trained to shoot until they were empty.

The Daily Mail (UK) - Schizophrenic man shot by cops 80 times until he 'had no face'
legendary
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Vile Vixen and Miss Bitcointalk 2021-2023
October 11, 2014, 09:58:06 PM
#8
Anyone who thinks 17 rounds is excessive has clearly been watching too many movies and has no idea of how gunfighting actually works in reality. In a gunfight, you keep shooting until your opponent is dead or unconscious, or they drop their weapon, surrender, or escape, or you run out of ammo. The latter outcome is one of the most common, as people usually do not instantly drop dead when shot. A single gunshot wound is rarely fatal, and even a fatal wound rarely kills quickly. It almost always takes multiple shots to quickly incapacitate someone, often a surprisingly large number to someone who's never seen an actual gunfight. This is one of the main reasons the police switched from revolvers to semiautomatics: revolvers may be simpler to use, but the people who say "6 shots is enough to kill anything" just plain don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
legendary
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October 11, 2014, 09:25:12 PM
#7
17 rounds?
Isn't that excessive?
hero member
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October 11, 2014, 11:36:14 AM
#6
A sandwich that fired 3 rounds?!
What do those guys feed in? Lead?

Yeah, that does seem relevant here.
The only people saying it was a sandwich are his family. If he did shoot, a sandwich is not going to explain away the powder residue on his hands, the spent casings, the spent rounds, or the matching gun next to his body. The title is ludicrous. Honestly, what do you think happened? "Hey sarge, look a kid with a sandwich! Bang Bang!"

...Multiple witnesses report Myers was unarmed and holding a sandwich when the officer shot him 16 times.
Where is that from? I see no reference to any witnesses.

Source is US Uncut
legendary
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October 11, 2014, 11:11:58 AM
#5
A sandwich that fired 3 rounds?!
What do those guys feed in? Lead?

Yeah, that does seem relevant here.
The only people saying it was a sandwich are his family. If he did shoot, a sandwich is not going to explain away the powder residue on his hands, the spent casings, the spent rounds, or the matching gun next to his body. The title is ludicrous. Honestly, what do you think happened? "Hey sarge, look a kid with a sandwich! Bang Bang!"

...Multiple witnesses report Myers was unarmed and holding a sandwich when the officer shot him 16 times.
Where is that from? I see no reference to any witnesses.
legendary
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October 11, 2014, 11:04:57 AM
#4
A sandwich that fired 3 rounds?!
What do those guys feed in? Lead?
legendary
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October 11, 2014, 10:55:56 AM
#3
Maybe the kid had the curse of the undead and kept coming back to life? 17 rounds to take down an 18 year old is mind boggling. I don't doubt that there are tons of real-life scenarios that could explain this but still.

Seriously though, after reading the article, it seems to me that he was not actually shot 16 times. 17 shots were fired, I'm guessing most of those didn't hit the target. The whole thing is still shady though.
legendary
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October 11, 2014, 07:02:01 AM
#2
This isn't going to be pretty.
hero member
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October 11, 2014, 01:13:27 AM
#1
An off-duty St. Louis police officer fatally shot 18-year-old Vonderrick Myers Jr. 12 miles from Ferguson late Wednesday evening. Multiple witnesses report Myers was unarmed and holding a sandwich when the officer shot him 16 times.

White off-duty St Louis police officer shoots dead black teenager - The Guardian
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