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Quote from: Solosanz on November 21, 2023, 04:23:44 AM

@OP it's just a weak rule, you don't have to listen about it because there was an user escape from that. He use his alt account to create ban appeal in May 20, 2022, it means he shouldn't use alt account to post to other section except ban appeal isn't? however he did it using his second alts to post on another boards and not get banned by the moderator or administrator.

That's rare and yeah the ID of AltAccount is not banned yet and I don't understand why, well I spend around 30 minutes only to look around what happened that got this dude banned and it turned out that this dude had 4 accounts and naim20 did confessed that he owned these four accounts but I don't know why if a person got banned, ok first time got banned but then got unbanned and then again got banned.

Then why his alt is alive now although the last active time is of September but according to BPIP tool he is not banned, by the way, I hope you will provide more details into it like in your own words about why this account is not banned.

Besides this, I will advise OP to not avoid this rule either its weak rule or not because as I said before It rare that anyone would remain unban after getting caught.

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Quote from: Bravethug on November 21, 2023, 03:45:22 AM

I was reading the unofficial list of rule and these caught my attention. Please pardon me if these questions or concerns have been treated before, but I have gone through some other threads and I haven't seen anywhere that this concern was handled.
This was drawn from the list of unofficial rules of the forum.

I don't know why you quoted it and posted it in a new thread instead of replying to the thread you quoted it from. After all - the thread is not locked and anyone can ask question about the rules that confuse you there.

Quote from: 348Judah on November 21, 2023, 11:44:01 AM

Having alts account is not encouraged so far because you will not be there and be here at the same time, this may not be against the rules

That's all there is to it - meaning having more than one account is absolutely no problem. But don't violate rules and norms that could damage your own reputation.
Of course there are exceptions - if your main account has been banned for whatever reason, then you should just create a second account to appeal and only post it on meta.

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Quote from: Bravethug on November 21, 2023, 03:45:22 AM

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1. as far as I know, there is no restriction on selling forum accounts, it is just heavily frowned upon, you can sell forum accounts all you want, and no staff or mods will be stopping you but don't be surprised if forum members gave you a negative feedback for it.

2. if your account got banned, it is not just the account, the user itself is banned on the forum, so accounts that are connected to you personally will be banned too(at least that is how I understand it)

3. your account will stay in the forum and will not be deleted, all your posts will remain in the forum and can be seen and read by forum members.

Quote from: 348Judah on November 21, 2023, 11:44:01 AM

Having alts account is not encouraged so far because you will not be there and be here at the same time, this may not be against the rules but abusing the opportunity to do fechtish things isn't allowed, examples are meriting your alts, account farming, selling or buying, if the evils you do isn't against the law which preserve you from getting banned, you will not escape being tagged for doing such, a newbie should stay off this aspect, if you're once banned and create another account, it's auto ban.

it is also not discouraged and as far as I know, theymos himself does not have a problem if people create multiple accounts as long as they don't break forum rules or do foolish things. also, having an alt account does not mean you have to be active on that account too.

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Having alts account is not encouraged so far because you will not be there and be here at the same time, this may not be against the rules but abusing the opportunity to do fechtish things isn't allowed, examples are meriting your alts, account farming, selling or buying, if the evils you do isn't against the law which preserve you from getting banned, you will not escape being tagged for doing such, a newbie should stay off this aspect, if you're once banned and create another account, it's auto ban.

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Quote from: Bravethug on November 21, 2023, 06:48:01 AM

from your explanation it means the rule is self contradicting and should be looked into for a rephrase. Because if its not illegal to own multiple accounts then banning all multiple accounts linked to a faulty user should be put in view. The rule can be rephrased to say one account to one user and owning multiple accounts at owners risk. Otherwise this rule is just self contradicting and should be open for review.

It is not the rule that is contradictory, but your understanding of the rule. The rule doesn't prohibit having multiple accounts; it prohibits using them when one is banned.

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Ban evasion ( using or creating accounts while one of your account is banned) is not allowed.

What part of this rule is unclear to you? To clarify, YES, you are permitted to have more than one account on the platform. NO, you are not allowed to use them as long as one or more of your accounts are banned. YES, you can continue to use them all after your ban is lifted.

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Quote from: Bravethug on November 21, 2023, 06:48:01 AM

Quote from: Adbitco on November 21, 2023, 04:23:23 AM

The rule are self explanatory so I don't know why you are finding it difficult to comprehend, is just simple when your account is banned all your account that tied to you aren't exempted so they are also ban from the forum even though they don't commit any offense they are automatically ban. Then if you are ban for any reason you are not permitted to go make any other account in this forum if found it would be also be ban automatically for rule violation. So if you own 10 accounts make sure you don't violate any rules with any of them because if 1 account among the 10 is ban is also affects the remaining 9 so treat all with equal rights otherwise your accounts will be ban as well.

from your explanation it means the rule is self contradicting and should be looked into for a rephrase. Because if its not illegal to own multiple accounts then banning all multiple accounts linked to a faulty user should be put in view. The rule can be rephrased to say one account to one user and owning multiple accounts at owners risk. Otherwise this rule is just self contradicting and should be open for review.

There's nothing to be reviewed because the rules are well understandable and self explanatory. If the admin thinks it's worth changing then they will do that but as for my reasoning you don't need to have multiple accounts instead just stick to one account.

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Having multiple accounts is fine. If you get a temporary ban, that's also fine. But if you get a permanent ban and try to avoid that by creating another account, that's considered ban evasion. If you get caught with your other accounts or somehow get connected with your previously banned account, you'll get banned again on your new account. The only way to fix this is to make an appeal in the meta or reputation board and explain everything about why you should be unbanned.

Check the reputation board, and you'll understand how this works. You'll see many cases where multiple users tried to ban evasion and ended up getting banned again.

Selling an account is discouraged. Short and simple.

Again, all these rules are unofficial. So I can be wrong here.

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Quote from: Bravethug on November 21, 2023, 03:45:22 AM

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Does this mean that if I have always had two accounts and for any mistake whatsoever like plagiarism. And one of my account is banned, am I not allowed to own any other active accounts??? Let's not forget that it is not illegal or against the rules to own multiple accounts. Are these rules contradicting themselves or are there other hidden criteria to such effects???

I understand that some people are running away from this glaring question. This is not the type of question that a newbie should ask. But since there is a question, there must be an answer and someone correct me if I am wrong.

There are two scenarios

If you have two accounts from onset and one of the accounts let's say commits plagerism and got banned. This does not affect the other account of yours which predates the banned account. It means the other account is not ban evading
But when an account is banned, any other account from same user that is created after the account ban is considered ban evasion

I didn't see this rule anywhere and I haven't come across it. But that is what my common sense says it should be.

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Quote from: Adbitco on November 21, 2023, 04:23:23 AM

The rule are self explanatory so I don't know why you are finding it difficult to comprehend, is just simple when your account is banned all your account that tied to you aren't exempted so they are also ban from the forum even though they don't commit any offense they are automatically ban. Then if you are ban for any reason you are not permitted to go make any other account in this forum if found it would be also be ban automatically for rule violation. So if you own 10 accounts make sure you don't violate any rules with any of them because if 1 account among the 10 is ban is also affects the remaining 9 so treat all with equal rights otherwise your accounts will be ban as well.

from your explanation it means the rule is self contradicting and should be looked into for a rephrase. Because if its not illegal to own multiple accounts then banning all multiple accounts linked to a faulty user should be put in view. The rule can be rephrased to say one account to one user and owning multiple accounts at owners risk. Otherwise this rule is just self contradicting and should be open for review.

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Quote from: Majestic-milf on November 21, 2023, 04:51:20 AM

I'd take @Hugeblack's advice to heartbif were you because it can prove challenging to be able to maintain two accounts. The best thing is to focus on one for now, at least you know that having multiple ones is not a crime and later on when you feel you can manage more, you can go for it but you'd have to ensure this account doesn't break any rules of the forum that will put it at risk of being banned.
Some newbies come into this forum and are concerned about how to make posts that will fetch them merits, it seems quite refreshing to see a different question for a change.

What is even the need of having multiple accounts when their is no better growth in all or show a better contribution all the accounts have contributed. It is a big stress and waste of time having all this and still known of these accounts can engage in good contribution in the forum. It is better to concentrate in one, let their be consistent growth and not many accounts with stagnant growth, it is total waste of time for having multiple accounts when the accounts are not productive to the forum .

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I'd take @Hugeblack's advice to heartbif were you because it can prove challenging to be able to maintain two accounts. The best thing is to focus on one for now, at least you know that having multiple ones is not a crime and later on when you feel you can manage more, you can go for it but you'd have to ensure this account doesn't break any rules of the forum that will put it at risk of being banned.
Some newbies come into this forum and are concerned about how to make posts that will fetch them merits, it seems quite refreshing to see a different question for a change.

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Playing devil's advocate here.

@OP it's just a weak rule, you don't have to listen about it because there was an user escape from that. He use his alt account to create ban appeal in May 20, 2022, it means he shouldn't use alt account to post to other section except ban appeal isn't? however he did it using his second alts to post on another boards and not get banned by the moderator or administrator.

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The rule are self explanatory so I don't know why you are finding it difficult to comprehend, is just simple when your account is banned all your account that tied to you aren't exempted so they are also ban from the forum even though they don't commit any offense they are automatically ban. Then if you are ban for any reason you are not permitted to go make any other account in this forum if found it would be also be ban automatically for rule violation. So if you own 10 accounts make sure you don't violate any rules with any of them because if 1 account among the 10 is ban is also affects the remaining 9 so treat all with equal rights otherwise your accounts will be ban as well.

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Quote from: Nwada001 on November 21, 2023, 03:53:00 AM

Buying of accounts was allowed in the past, but it’s currently highly discouraged due to the high use of the account for spamming. The restriction that could follow with such an account is that those earned glory in the past by the account owner, i.e., the trust built based on the old owner's reputation, are likely to be revoked. If people notice that the account was bought, a few members will tag the account, warning people to disregard their old trust rating.

Buying Bitcointalk account is still allowed, but it was discouraged right from the beginning. Accounts that are not bought can also be used to spam, but bought account can lead to scam and other bad... Not only that, the buyer can be scammed, the account can later been known for bad deed like plagiarism and be banned. That is why account sellers are given red trust. It is also not just good not to have the experience but just buy an account and post like a newbie and later be banned.

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The rule is simple, you are allowed to create any account you want, but if one of them is banned, all other accounts are banned.
As a newbie, I do not advise you to create more than one account. Develop one account, and if you conduct an activity that requires trust, create an alternative account to browse the forum by phone.

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Quote from: Bravethug on November 21, 2023, 03:45:22 AM

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If you're banned on Bitcointalk, it means you can't use the platform, regardless of whether you have one or more accounts.

And using another account to post anywhere other than for ban appeal is seen as ban evasion.

Regarding your other question, having more than one account is allowed, but the intention behind it matters. Established users may have multiple accounts for different purposes, like side projects or testing or crawling. However, creating multiple accounts for signature campaigns won't result in a ban but will get you tagged.

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Quote from: Bravethug on November 21, 2023, 03:45:22 AM

Question 1:
My first question is what are the restrictions to selling an accounts???

Buying of accounts was allowed in the past, but it’s currently highly discouraged due to the high use of the account for spamming. The restriction that could follow with such an account is that those earned glory in the past by the account owner, i.e., the trust built based on the old owner's reputation, are likely to be revoked. If people notice that the account was bought, a few members will tag the account, warning people to disregard their old trust rating.

Question 2;

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Does this mean that if I have always had two accounts and for any mistake whatsoever like plagiarism. And one of my account is banned, am I not allowed to own any other active accounts??? Let's not forget that it is not illegal or against the rules to own multiple accounts. Are these rules contradicting themselves or are there other hidden criteria to such effects???

If your account has been banned before according to the forum rules, you either need to appeal for it to be unbanned or you leave the forum and don’t register any new account again. If you have two active accounts already before the ban, you can either appeal for the banned one to be unbanned or, if caught, the active one will also be banned. What’s banned is you as the owner of the account and not the account, so operating another account is band-invading.

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Does this mean all other of my old accounts remains relevant and active despite my initial ban on my other accounts???

You are only allowed to post with your new account for the ban appeal on meta if you post aside meta and send PMs to people you are ban invading. This is just the same as your question 2. The rules are self explained to some point.

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If you have two accounts and one of the two accounts is banned, that means the second account will be banned if known. Also if your account has been banned and you open another account and be posting (than on meta about ban appeal or so), your account will be banned again

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I was reading the unofficial list of rule and these caught my attention. Please pardon me if these questions or concerns have been treated before, but I have gone through some other threads and I haven't seen anywhere that this concern was handled.
This was drawn from the list of unofficial rules of the forum.

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Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.

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There are restrictions when selling accounts and invites for invite-only sites.

My first question is what are the restrictions to selling an accounts???

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Ban evasion ( using or creating accounts while one of your account is banned) is not allowed.

Does this mean that if I have always had two accounts and for any mistake whatsoever like plagiarism. And one of my account is banned, am I not allowed to own any other active accounts??? Let's not forget that it is not illegal or against the rules to own multiple accounts. Are these rules contradicting themselves or are there other hidden criteria to such effects???

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If you get banned temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting/sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.

Does this mean all other of my old accounts remains relevant and active despite my initial ban on my other accounts???

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