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Quote from: AmoreJaz on December 28, 2024, 06:54:41 PM

Quote from: terrific on December 28, 2024, 06:31:58 PM

Well explained.
This is what most gamblers have to see when they're doubting their decisions to cash out when they've got some profit already but, wanting to make the most of it and will have to wait for a bigger amount of winnings.
There are conditions that we have to accept and if you are the type of lesser risk approach gambler, cashing out even if with lesser profits, that will be the best option to do.

Also, don't expect too much from this as of course the bookie itself need to profit even if you will avail the cashout option. Theu have operational expenses to consider of.

Yup, they have to make a profit and that's why they have to slash some amounts if someone needs to cash out even before the match ends. So, these conditions could be good and help us with our decisions in one moment of our life.

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Quote from: terrific on December 28, 2024, 06:31:58 PM

Well explained.
This is what most gamblers have to see when they're doubting their decisions to cash out when they've got some profit already but, wanting to make the most of it and will have to wait for a bigger amount of winnings.
There are conditions that we have to accept and if you are the type of lesser risk approach gambler, cashing out even if with lesser profits, that will be the best option to do.

The decision to cash out or wait for a bigger win depends a lot on our risk tolerance and goals as gamblers, If indeed we want to play safer and want to ensure profits of course cashing out the winnings early is a better step, so that it can help us avoid potential losses that can occur in the game, But if maybe we dare to take higher risks and want to maximize greater profits, of course playing to the end is the right step, but still we have to keep the limit in gambling.

As a gambler, I choose to be in the safe side and that's why if there will be some opportunity that I see, I'll start to get on it and will avoid mostly the bigger risk bets. And if I'm able to win for some parlays that I make and there's a chance of cashing out with lesser amount, I'll choose it.

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Yes, the topic starter explained very sensibly what cash-out is and how to use it in sports betting. In essence, cas-hout allows you to do what is called "reconnaissance in force" in the army.

You can test a certain game hypothesis, but at the same time lose not the entire bet (not all funds), but only part of your funds. This is a very effective tactical tool for an experienced player.

At the same time, this tool really requires a lot of self-discipline, focus on the gameplay and a sufficient amount of free time.

If all this is not there, then the player may not improve, but on the contrary, worsen his financial situation.

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Thanks, man. Sorry, I have no merits to spare for this but it's really deserving for 1 or a couple. Grin

I need this. I have been in a dilemma of understanding how the cash out works and somehow I understand it but don't really fully understand it. Winning two or three in a parlay doesn't mean you will get back the supposed amount when you do it in a single bet. It's a parlay for crying out loud and the sports bookies would want you to finish it or it will give you something in return that will never be equal to how it goes in a single bet.
Calculations and expectations, this is where most gambler got it all wrong.

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The cash out option can be a great tool for live betting. Especially when you have a long parlay but things start to go south with one of your bets. While I don’t really use the cash out feature, I have seen plenty of influencers use it to save their parlays and keep them from losing large amounts of money. It’s a great option to have.

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Quote from: Igebotz on December 28, 2024, 07:03:50 PM

One big lesson - always play to win, if you must take cashout, don't settle for less than your staked amount. Let the game burn instead..

I'm the thick skinned gambling guy - we don't take cashout, we don't settle for less than our expected payout. We hit or we miss and play again.

I will not take the cash out either as I play to win. Why even make the bet if you're just going to cash out? I think most that cash out are those that are all in and get scared, so they'll take a small win or loss and try again.

If you are a scared player, you probably shouldn't be gambling. Cashout is for the weak IMO.

Let's do a quick scenario, you have a 20x parlay, you have won the first game you last game is Raptor vs Haws and you took the 2.0 on the Raptors, then you open the news and see that Barret and Poeltl got in car crash, the Raptors are suddenly 5.0, you still let the bet play or you cash out? Roll Eyes

I am looking at hedging options which will most likely net me more of a win then taking a cashout option. This is definitely a worst case scenario though and 1 that likely is never going to happen lol. If cashout pays more then hedging somehow, then I guess in this unlikely scenario I would consider cashout.

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Quote from: Igebotz on December 28, 2024, 07:03:50 PM

One big lesson - always play to win, if you must take cashout, don't settle for less than your staked amount. Let the game burn instead..

I'm the thick skinned gambling guy - we don't take cashout, we don't settle for less than our expected payout. We hit or we miss and play again.

I will not take the cash out either as I play to win. Why even make the bet if you're just going to cash out? I think most that cash out are those that are all in and get scared, so they'll take a small win or loss and try again.

If you are a scared player, you probably shouldn't be gambling. Cashout is for the weak IMO.

Let's do a quick scenario, you have a 20x parlay, you have won the first game you last game is Raptor vs Haws and you took the 2.0 on the Raptors, then you open the news and see that Barret and Poeltl got in car crash, the Raptors are suddenly 5.0, you still let the bet play or you cash out? Roll Eyes

Quote from: Alphakilo on December 28, 2024, 11:30:45 PM

I need to see more detailed explanation like this on the gambling board. Most of the times there is a lot of yapping from people who don't understand it.

Well, since just taking the screenshots and doing the math for it took me the time some probably write 10 posts around I'm going to say that you need to keep your expectation low Grin

Quote from: bitbollo on December 29, 2024, 01:03:10 AM

you can also use a gambling exchange like betfair (and relative tools like geektoys) for building your own strategy thanks to cashout option.

I will say that less than 1% of occasional gamblers might be able to master an exchange:

most will look at this like it's quantum mechanics.
But anyhow, nice idea for a topic!

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you can also use a gambling exchange like betfair (and relative tools like geektoys) for building your own strategy thanks to cashout option.
its a great idea to show the formula that allow to get a value. this is the right approach since you can also "recreate" your cashout.
I would just mention that you can also have a "partial" cashout, adapting this amount to two options.

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As the topic starter correctly wrote, we can make a cash out in the case of horse racing, when we bet on an outsider and before the end of the race it becomes clear to us that our chances of winning have dropped sharply. This is what I often say: do not hold on to a losing bet, remove your money from the table if you have the opportunity to do so before the end of the event. Cash out is the equivalent of a stop loss in trading. A great analogy, by the way. In general, if in a game you have the opportunity to make a decision to leave and play before the end of it, this significantly increases the effectiveness of your strategy. If you stop losses in time, then you have a chance to make good money.

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Quote from: terrific on December 28, 2024, 06:31:58 PM

Well explained.
This is what most gamblers have to see when they're doubting their decisions to cash out when they've got some profit already but, wanting to make the most of it and will have to wait for a bigger amount of winnings.
There are conditions that we have to accept and if you are the type of lesser risk approach gambler, cashing out even if with lesser profits, that will be the best option to do.

The decision to cash out or wait for a bigger win depends a lot on our risk tolerance and goals as gamblers, If indeed we want to play safer and want to ensure profits of course cashing out the winnings early is a better step, so that it can help us avoid potential losses that can occur in the game, But if maybe we dare to take higher risks and want to maximize greater profits, of course playing to the end is the right step, but still we have to keep the limit in gambling.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on December 28, 2024, 11:48:12 AM

That's an extremely informative post! As a relatively new member in gambling who's still learning the ropes around casinos, bets, and all the available options, you went through everything in detail, explaining each process with examples, making it understandable even to the complete noob. I also saw one or two other threads a few days ago, took a quick glance, but was a little frustrated and didn't understand what the cash-out option was and quit; I didn't bother going through them again. As a noob to these options, thank you for taking the time to write a constructive and simple explanation on how it works.

One big lesson - always play to win, if you must take cashout, don't settle for less than your staked amount. Let the game burn instead..

I'm the thick skinned gambling guy - we don't take cashout, we don't settle for less than our expected payout. We hit or we miss and play again.

I will not take the cash out either as I play to win. Why even make the bet if you're just going to cash out? I think most that cash out are those that are all in and get scared, so they'll take a small win or loss and try again.

If you are a scared player, you probably shouldn't be gambling. Cashout is for the weak IMO.

You can't really say cashout is for the weak because cashout surely differs in price of stake and win, and or you guys can't say you can't settle for less according to @Igebotz. let's say you bet with $1k to win $100k and it happens that your game is about to cut, and you can be able to cashout $800 which is less or can cashout $5k wouldn't you do so? Well all I can say is that cashout may looks childish to most people, but it can only be so when a small amount is being staked, like staking $1 to win $100 and cashout because $0.8 the. You may decide to let go but not applicable to when staked with $1k or $10k.

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Quote from: stompix on December 28, 2024, 08:37:20 AM

Not really unless you're betting from the start with it in mind, a cash-out is mainly a bet, you make a bet by cashing out too, as you think you will lose the last game , you also take a bet by not cashing out, so bottom line it's more like taking a supplementary bet on an already existing one.

I said something on one of those posts that you've seen about the small topic; I said "the cash out option is just another way of merging a particular game in your ticket against the house edge. In a way that you're either forced to take whatever shows up in your wallet or wait till the game ends and then behold your fate.

For the most part, when the potential win on the cash out option is extremely low, like lower than your initial wager, that's just a sign that you're screwed both ways.. especially when the game is almost concluded... Someone might wanna ask, haven't you heard of dying minute goals? Well yes I have, but what's the chances that it comes?
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Quote from: stompix on December 28, 2024, 08:37:20 AM

I've read 4 topics in the last two days, all about cash-out and every single both questions and answers were so hastily written I am not surprised at all cash-out might still seem like somethign complicated for some.

I need to see more detailed explanation like this on the gambling board. Most of the times there is a lot of yapping from people who don't understand it. This is detailed enough and should serve as a reference for any other topic about cash-out. I have learned a lot from it. You presented a very simpler view of it.

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A simple formula for those would be:

Cash Out Value = {{(Odds / Live Odds) x Stake} - Stake} / Bookie Margin

I like your formula better than what I have been thing that is the formula for cash out value which was, the way a bookmaker will make their money is by baking their margin into the price you take when you place a bet. For example, if there is a 50 chance of me winning therefore my odds should be 2.0 but what they'll just offer me is 1.8 and then the difference between 1.8 and 2 is their margin. And now when it comes to cashing out the bookmaker does exactly the same and apply that margin all over again in some instances, the margin is even bigger than it was in the first place where I placed the initial bet.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on December 28, 2024, 09:15:59 PM

In my opinion cash-out only makes sense if you have all your money sitting on one side. If you still have enough funds you can easily bet the other side when the game is going your way and in most cases you will get a tiny bit more on both results when you do this. The difference is really small but there is a difference, I always go that route.
And, not only will you get more, it also increases your wager obviously which leads to bigger bonuses and other perks.

I think hedging is only applicable on single bet which I totally agree since that is the traditional way to exit safely before the cash out was introduced on crypto sportsbook.

But I think the most trivial topic related for cash out is when it use on a parlay match and 1 game away since the odds is already stacked from previous game that won. I’m not sure how to hedge this but I assume it will require huge amount of bet just to match the total odds of the parlay.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on December 28, 2024, 09:15:59 PM

In my opinion cash-out only makes sense if you have all your money sitting on one side. If you still have enough funds you can easily bet the other side when the game is going your way and in most cases you will get a tiny bit more on both results when you do this. The difference is really small but there is a difference, I always go that route.
And, not only will you get more, it also increases your wager obviously which leads to bigger bonuses and other perks.

Hedging is 100% the way to go if you have 1 game left.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on December 28, 2024, 11:48:12 AM

That's an extremely informative post! As a relatively new member in gambling who's still learning the ropes around casinos, bets, and all the available options, you went through everything in detail, explaining each process with examples, making it understandable even to the complete noob. I also saw one or two other threads a few days ago, took a quick glance, but was a little frustrated and didn't understand what the cash-out option was and quit; I didn't bother going through them again. As a noob to these options, thank you for taking the time to write a constructive and simple explanation on how it works.

One big lesson - always play to win, if you must take cashout, don't settle for less than your staked amount. Let the game burn instead..

I'm the thick skinned gambling guy - we don't take cashout, we don't settle for less than our expected payout. We hit or we miss and play again.

I will not take the cash out either as I play to win. Why even make the bet if you're just going to cash out? I think most that cash out are those that are all in and get scared, so they'll take a small win or loss and try again.

If you are a scared player, you probably shouldn't be gambling. Cashout is for the weak IMO.

I myself have used the cash-out option very seldom. I have the tendency to stick with my team no matter what. I guess I'm stubborn when it comes to betting. If my team is trailing by 5 and there's a handicap of +3.5, I'd grab it. If the lead balloons to 8 and a +6.5 handicap is offered, I'd bet more. If the lead further rises to 10 and a +7.5 handicap is available, I'd take advantage of it. This goes on.

But how about the idea that cashout is not weakness but practicality? If you take betting objectively and a little more seriously, just like the way you take trading, there might be times you need to cut loss or take profit. I've read threads here about multi-bets with double-digit legs. I totally understand those whose advice is to cash out when 11 out of 12, for example, are already won.

I guess it depends on how much time is left in a game and how confident you are in the team you have the money on, but I would go nuts if I took a cashout of say $50 and my team comes back to win and I lose out on $1000. That's why I just bet and close the laptop unless there is a hedge opportunity that comes up then I'll guarantee myself a profit and usually a decent 1.

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In my opinion cash-out only makes sense if you have all your money sitting on one side. If you still have enough funds you can easily bet the other side when the game is going your way and in most cases you will get a tiny bit more on both results when you do this. The difference is really small but there is a difference, I always go that route.
And, not only will you get more, it also increases your wager obviously which leads to bigger bonuses and other perks.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on December 28, 2024, 11:48:12 AM

That's an extremely informative post! As a relatively new member in gambling who's still learning the ropes around casinos, bets, and all the available options, you went through everything in detail, explaining each process with examples, making it understandable even to the complete noob. I also saw one or two other threads a few days ago, took a quick glance, but was a little frustrated and didn't understand what the cash-out option was and quit; I didn't bother going through them again. As a noob to these options, thank you for taking the time to write a constructive and simple explanation on how it works.

One big lesson - always play to win, if you must take cashout, don't settle for less than your staked amount. Let the game burn instead..

I'm the thick skinned gambling guy - we don't take cashout, we don't settle for less than our expected payout. We hit or we miss and play again.

I will not take the cash out either as I play to win. Why even make the bet if you're just going to cash out? I think most that cash out are those that are all in and get scared, so they'll take a small win or loss and try again.

If you are a scared player, you probably shouldn't be gambling. Cashout is for the weak IMO.

I myself have used the cash-out option very seldom. I have the tendency to stick with my team no matter what. I guess I'm stubborn when it comes to betting. If my team is trailing by 5 and there's a handicap of +3.5, I'd grab it. If the lead balloons to 8 and a +6.5 handicap is offered, I'd bet more. If the lead further rises to 10 and a +7.5 handicap is available, I'd take advantage of it. This goes on.

But how about the idea that cashout is not weakness but practicality? If you take betting objectively and a little more seriously, just like the way you take trading, there might be times you need to cut loss or take profit. I've read threads here about multi-bets with double-digit legs. I totally understand those whose advice is to cash out when 11 out of 12, for example, are already won.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on December 28, 2024, 11:48:12 AM

That's an extremely informative post! As a relatively new member in gambling who's still learning the ropes around casinos, bets, and all the available options, you went through everything in detail, explaining each process with examples, making it understandable even to the complete noob. I also saw one or two other threads a few days ago, took a quick glance, but was a little frustrated and didn't understand what the cash-out option was and quit; I didn't bother going through them again. As a noob to these options, thank you for taking the time to write a constructive and simple explanation on how it works.

One big lesson - always play to win, if you must take cashout, don't settle for less than your staked amount. Let the game burn instead..

I'm the thick skinned gambling guy - we don't take cashout, we don't settle for less than our expected payout. We hit or we miss and play again.

I will not take the cash out either as I play to win. Why even make the bet if you're just going to cash out? I think most that cash out are those that are all in and get scared, so they'll take a small win or loss and try again.

If you are a scared player, you probably shouldn't be gambling. Cashout is for the weak IMO.

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on December 28, 2024, 11:48:12 AM

That's an extremely informative post! As a relatively new member in gambling who's still learning the ropes around casinos, bets, and all the available options, you went through everything in detail, explaining each process with examples, making it understandable even to the complete noob. I also saw one or two other threads a few days ago, took a quick glance, but was a little frustrated and didn't understand what the cash-out option was and quit; I didn't bother going through them again. As a noob to these options, thank you for taking the time to write a constructive and simple explanation on how it works.

One big lesson - always play to win, if you must take cashout, don't settle for less than your staked amount. Let the game burn instead..

I'm the thick skinned gambling guy - we don't take cashout, we don't settle for less than our expected payout. We hit or we miss and play again.

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Quote from: terrific on December 28, 2024, 06:31:58 PM

Well explained.
This is what most gamblers have to see when they're doubting their decisions to cash out when they've got some profit already but, wanting to make the most of it and will have to wait for a bigger amount of winnings.
There are conditions that we have to accept and if you are the type of lesser risk approach gambler, cashing out even if with lesser profits, that will be the best option to do.

Also, don't expect too much from this as of course the bookie itself need to profit even if you will avail the cashout option. They have operational expenses to consider of. I have done this several times as I know the potential outcome and on the losing side. So before I totally lost my position, I availed such feature. For me, this is quite good feature particularly for those high bettors and they want to save some when they know they are on the losing edge.

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Check the other topics and topic about bets or odds and you might find out you're overestimating the knowledge of gamblers around.

I also noticed that or maybe the one that I really read about. I noticed some threads recently is about how someone supposed to have used cashout to win huge amount of money but did not use it and the only one match that remain was lost and he lost the bet. So I thought they were using that mentality to post that the person supposed to cashout. I will check other ones that is not about someone that suppose to have won huge amount if he had cashout. I will not be surprised if I see people posting that cashout is about making profit because there are many people on this forum that are not actually gambling but want to post to fill their weekly signature post requirement.

Cashout is also helpful when you have multi-bets and you want an assurance that you can get some profits even if the games are not over. Because waiting on the results is like waiting in vain especially if you are already on your last game. Cashout in multi-bets or cashout before the game is over in a single bet, I believe has the same use to gamblers.

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Quote from: Russlenat on December 28, 2024, 06:28:04 PM

At certain moments, cashing out might seem like a good idea, and you can take advantage of it. However, doing it regularly might not be helpful. There will be times when you regret hitting that cash-out button, especially when the bet ends up winning, and you miss out on the full payout you could have bagged.

Regularly opting for cashing out seems pointless. I understand that one would probably prefer to play it safe but then why gamble? The point of gambling is to always take risks and see where it leads you.

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What OP described is probably the bigger picture, and there’s nothing inherently wrong with cashing out. But if you’re a gambler or sports bettor aiming for long-term success, it’s better to avoid this habit. It could lead to frustration over time, as it tends to cut into your potential profits.

Yeah I can imagine that if you keep doing this, it will just become a problem over time as it will give you more losses over time since you aren’t exactly profiting from any of your bets anyway.

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