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Topic: Unfair aspects of KYC. But KYP is here - page 2. (Read 221 times)

Ucy
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March 04, 2020, 06:27:49 AM
#12
You mean knowing the team behind the project by asking them for a proof of identity and/or proof of address (where the project is being established)? It's actually a great idea but will those guys hiding behind the project names itself and showing just an image of theirs on their website page actually give any real proof? Like if we ask someone from a Project X to show up with an identity proof as well as an address proof and click a selfie while holding a paper in his/her hand on which his/her name, the project's name as well as the date when clicked is written, they will need to complete all these KYP checks before anyone takes interest in their project and start investing with them?! If that becomes possible, at least 50% of these projects will disappear.

Exactly, if KYP is also going to be implemented, half of the existing project are going to disappear, because (1) they don't want to comply, (2) they are all fake.

KYC itself is very dangerous as we don't know who is handling our data, whether it's the services itself on another third party. And we have heard stories of third party selling our data, or hackers selling it underground.

It's actually a dangerous thing to give your most sensitive stuff (home Address, signature, DoB, fingerprints, Name etc) to total strangers on the internet. It is worrying to see people take risk that could have long lasting consequences.
I wonder if there are penalties to people who have custody of the identities and lose them to hackers or misuse them. And how about compensating the owners? That will most likely force companies to adopt a very safe ways of collecting and storing them... and "unqualified people" will be too afraid to demand for such sensitive information.
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March 04, 2020, 05:40:18 AM
#11
You mean knowing the team behind the project by asking them for a proof of identity and/or proof of address (where the project is being established)? It's actually a great idea but will those guys hiding behind the project names itself and showing just an image of theirs on their website page actually give any real proof? Like if we ask someone from a Project X to show up with an identity proof as well as an address proof and click a selfie while holding a paper in his/her hand on which his/her name, the project's name as well as the date when clicked is written, they will need to complete all these KYP checks before anyone takes interest in their project and start investing with them?! If that becomes possible, at least 50% of these projects will disappear.

Exactly, if KYP is also going to be implemented, half of the existing project are going to disappear, because (1) they don't want to comply, (2) they are all fake.

KYC itself is very dangerous as we don't know who is handling our data, whether it's the services itself on another third party. And we have heard stories of third party selling our data, or hackers selling it underground.
legendary
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March 03, 2020, 11:26:45 PM
#10
we usually know the service providers and obtain their KYP details easily!

How easily?

Would customers obtain their provider's passports or drivers licenses or any provider's personal ID, proof of address, bank statement, personal Social security number, on a personal level in the same way like providers get them when clients apply for KYC?

And what is the business of customers obtaining these personal information of their service providers? I mean, why do customers have to know about their service providers' passports, driver licenses, other personal IDs, proof of address, bank statements, personal security number, and so on and so forth?

In the first place, assuming regularity, these service providers are not collecting all these personal information from their users or clients for their own consumption or perusal. What are they going to do with those among themselves? They are collecting these information because a law or a policy is obliging them to do so. They need to have them because the state or any appropriate government agency for that matter might require them to submit such information anytime. In line with this, I guess they are also submitting the same set of information to these agencies.
legendary
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March 03, 2020, 07:19:19 PM
#9
You mean knowing the team behind the project by asking them for a proof of identity and/or proof of address (where the project is being established)? It's actually a great idea but will those guys hiding behind the project names itself and showing just an image of theirs on their website page actually give any real proof? Like if we ask someone from a Project X to show up with an identity proof as well as an address proof and click a selfie while holding a paper in his/her hand on which his/her name, the project's name as well as the date when clicked is written, they will need to complete all these KYP checks before anyone takes interest in their project and start investing with them?! If that becomes possible, at least 50% of these projects will disappear.
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March 03, 2020, 06:57:01 PM
#8
So there should be another type of agency that will validate their KYP, in that case we could assume their identities are legit and are not fakes. I have seen so many projects that shows their team members and advisors but are fakes and some are somewhat doubtful. If there will be a third party who could that be? Government agencies or we justify them base on our own?
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March 03, 2020, 05:28:06 PM
#7
Should the whole crypto community vote and get organized in order to ask third parties also have their own version of KYC? in this case clients should ask for KYP (Know your providers).

It is unfair that third parties asking for KYC are not providing customers in the same way with the same info they request.

The biggest problem with KYC is we can't trust exchanges or their partners to safeguard our personal data. Customer data is not only being underhandedly sold by exchanges, but KYC data is also regularly compromised by hackers and sold on the dark web.

"KYP" does nothing to address this issue. What we really need are better privacy and data protection standards. Since current industry standards are so low, I would rather stay anonymous.

Aside from that, KYP is very hard to implement. Do you think they will comply from the request of a potential customer? I don't think so. More than likely, if you will request for KYP, you will be waiting in vain from their end, if in case they will every give you that info. So what's left here, is really being cautious to deal with these projects. A user should thoroughly do his job when it comes to submitting his KYC docs. A user is obligated sometimes because if he wants to sell his coin, and that exchange is requiring KYC, he has to fulfil the requirements. But he has choice not to, but he needs to look for other exchanges.
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March 03, 2020, 05:10:36 PM
#6
Kyc is here.to stay.
Admit the fact that this is true. It's here to stay and no matter how many proposals that you have there, will they listen to what we want and what we need? we can stay anonymous even if they push these kinds of policies.
You have the option to remain anonymous or comply to them if you badly needed their service.
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March 03, 2020, 03:52:38 PM
#5
Kyc is here.to stay. It is one of.many tactics used by many governments to attack all coins
legendary
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March 03, 2020, 03:47:18 PM
#4
Should the whole crypto community vote and get organized in order to ask third parties also have their own version of KYC? in this case clients should ask for KYP (Know your providers).

It is unfair that third parties asking for KYC are not providing customers in the same way with the same info they request.

The biggest problem with KYC is we can't trust exchanges or their partners to safeguard our personal data. Customer data is not only being underhandedly sold by exchanges, but KYC data is also regularly compromised by hackers and sold on the dark web.

"KYP" does nothing to address this issue. What we really need are better privacy and data protection standards. Since current industry standards are so low, I would rather stay anonymous.
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March 03, 2020, 03:36:54 PM
#3
we usually know the service providers and obtain their KYP details easily!

How easily?

Would customers obtain their provider's passports or drivers licenses or any provider's personal ID, proof of address, bank statement, personal Social security number, on a personal level in the same way like providers get them when clients apply for KYC?

And then we have another problem, we have to deal with the big issue that providers have among many other advantages, they have the advantage of being able to be hidden (an investor, owner or workers for example) just because they use in their organization this thing we know as a "legal" entity, company, organization.

Thus why blockchain is a peer to peer level, on the same fair level, that is why we are here to encourage others to expand decentralization, but meanwhile, we must apply KYP to the providers asking for KYC, fairness on both sides.

In order to have fair things then customers need to act in the same way as providers do, and they can do it but so far not for this purpose yet. Maybe that is the unexplored field in order to achieve fairness in the KYC area.
legendary
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March 03, 2020, 02:59:02 PM
#2
In crypto market, it makes sense! Otherwise, in real world, we usually know the service providers and obtain their KYP details easily! But in crypto market, the scope is usually much larger because crypto companies usually cater to the global client base.

Most importantly, it should be mandatory for all types of ICOs, ITOs or STOs because they get funded by common mass. So KYP is particularly useful in crypto market.

But in real world, such details are usually available in the public domain. So KYP would not bring much change there!
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March 03, 2020, 02:50:16 PM
#1
Should the whole crypto community vote and get organized in order to ask third parties also have their own version of KYC? in this case clients should ask for KYP (Know your providers). And please if you are going to comment that the third parties already did their part by registering legally with their authorities, please think twice before mentioning that, because they did that part but only to comply with government and not to benefit customers, so far that is not benefiting the clients.

On the customer side, this one has to comply with the government and additionally with these third parties via KYC. It is unfair that third parties asking for KYC are not providing customers in the same way with the same info they request.

The crypto community is made of smart people (...most of them) and this challenge could be achieved easily if we really care about fairness, get organized and work together on this common goal. Crypto itself is already showing fairness with the use of blockchain.

We know that many people don't like the KYC process, because it is unfair, thus why the existence of privacy cryptocurrencies which will play a great work very soon with the decentralization of trust, money, internet, decentralizing anything you can imagine.


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