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Raoul Duke
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Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 11:49:01 AM
#685
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 11:47:07 AM
Quote from: theymos on June 29, 2012, 08:48:18 PM
Quote from: Raoul Duke on June 29, 2012, 08:44:10 PM
But... how will those third parties have access to certain information, like IP addresses?
Isn't there potential for abuse in case you give those records to "external investigators" who ask for them?
Or did I misunderstood what you meant?

Moderators don't have access to this stuff, either.

So here we say "only admin has access to IP logs" BUT here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.776457

Quote from: Maged on February 29, 2012, 11:24:34 PM
Powercoiner == Dexter

Maged can clearly see through IP logs that they are the same person ?

Maybe the rules changed since March ? Or maybe Maged is the only non-admin who can see IP logs ? Or maybe I am going crazy Cheesy ?

Maybe one of the admins told him? theymos or Gavin?
bulanula
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Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 11:47:07 AM
#684
Quote from: theymos on June 29, 2012, 08:48:18 PM
Quote from: Raoul Duke on June 29, 2012, 08:44:10 PM
But... how will those third parties have access to certain information, like IP addresses?
Isn't there potential for abuse in case you give those records to "external investigators" who ask for them?
Or did I misunderstood what you meant?

Moderators don't have access to this stuff, either.

So here we say "only admin has access to IP logs" BUT here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.776457

Quote from: Maged on February 29, 2012, 11:24:34 PM
Powercoiner == Dexter

Maged can clearly see through IP logs that they are the same person ?

Maybe the rules changed since March ? Or maybe Maged is the only non-admin who can see IP logs ? Or maybe I am going crazy Cheesy ?
Raoul Duke
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Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 11:42:26 AM
#683
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 11:36:47 AM
Quote from: Raoul Duke on June 30, 2012, 11:32:37 AM
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 11:30:39 AM
Also, what about setting up a scammer squad or scammer watch thread headed by me ( it takes one to know one Cheesy ), martychubbs, psy, bitlane etc.

Are you calling me a scammer, or am I misunderstanding it?  Huh

Not calling anybody a scammer.

I was talking about starting a thread in which smart people call out supposed scammers.

I proposed the people :

martychubbs called out A1BITCOINPOOL scammer

psy is staff and can access IP logs and can smell a scammer from a mile away

bitlane is internet detective and called out bitscalper

etc.

Don't know where you got that idea, but no, I can't access IP logs. Also, I accepted the job mainly to combat spammers, not scammers.

Scammers I prefer to just make their life miserable, altho lately I haven't done it much.
BadBear
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Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 11:42:14 AM
#682
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 11:36:47 AM
Quote from: Raoul Duke on June 30, 2012, 11:32:37 AM
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 11:30:39 AM
Also, what about setting up a scammer squad or scammer watch thread headed by me ( it takes one to know one Cheesy ), martychubbs, psy, bitlane etc.

Are you calling me a scammer, or am I misunderstanding it?  Huh

Not calling anybody a scammer.

I was talking about starting a thread in which smart people call out supposed scammers.

I proposed the people :

martychubbs called out A1BITCOINPOOL scammer

psy is staff and can access IP logs and can smell a scammer from a mile away

bitlane is internet detective and called out bitscalper

etc.

Only admins can see IPs, and that's the way it should be. The majority of the time they are using proxies anyway so it doesn't help much.
BadBear
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Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 11:40:47 AM
#681
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 11:30:39 AM
Quote from: BadBear on June 30, 2012, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: BadBear on June 30, 2012, 11:04:40 AM
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 05:35:36 AM
Either you apply the tag to all guys or take it off me then. Apply the policy fairly to all forum users.

It is, there just isn't anyone willing to investigate. If they are scammers then they probably would have a tag by now if there were anyone working the cases. I don't know if you just can't read or don't believe it, but there are literally 0 people who are willing to do the scammer investigations Maged did, and Maged isn't doing them for now. You're gonna have a hard time finding someone to give away their time for free.

If you really want to see them get a scammer tag, then feel free to compile all the evidence, I'm sure Maged will give you some tips. Or just sit here and whine about it I guess.


OK. I understand.

Just clarify this for me : from now on, nobody gets scammer tagged anymore ever ?

No, people are still getting scammer tags. There's always clear cut cases which don't take much work, or people dumb enough to admit to what they did, etc. Cases that aren't so clear, like several of the ones you've mentioned will likely sit in the pile until a better solution comes along. Like I said, feel free to do it yourself if you think they need a tag.

Anyway, back to ignoring this thread. Thank god for the new watchlist, I never have to see this thread again.   Grin

I see ...

How can I see the evidence in my case against me ?

Also, what about setting up a scammer squad or scammer watch thread headed by me ( it takes one to know one Cheesy ), martychubbs, psy, bitlane etc.

Well I'm not going to repost private communications, but if you ask theymos I'm sure he'll show you, it's only fair.

bulanula
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Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 11:36:47 AM
#680
Quote from: Raoul Duke on June 30, 2012, 11:32:37 AM
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 11:30:39 AM
Also, what about setting up a scammer squad or scammer watch thread headed by me ( it takes one to know one Cheesy ), martychubbs, psy, bitlane etc.

Are you calling me a scammer, or am I misunderstanding it?  Huh

Not calling anybody a scammer.

I was talking about starting a thread in which smart people call out supposed scammers.

I proposed the people :

martychubbs called out A1BITCOINPOOL scammer

psy is staff and can access IP logs and can smell a scammer from a mile away

bitlane is internet detective and called out bitscalper

etc.
bitpop
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Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 11:33:38 AM
#679
lmao
Raoul Duke
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Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 11:32:37 AM
#678
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 11:30:39 AM
Also, what about setting up a scammer squad or scammer watch thread headed by me ( it takes one to know one Cheesy ), martychubbs, psy, bitlane etc.

Are you calling me a scammer, or am I misunderstanding it?  Huh
bulanula
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 11:30:39 AM
#677
Quote from: BadBear on June 30, 2012, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: BadBear on June 30, 2012, 11:04:40 AM
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 05:35:36 AM
Either you apply the tag to all guys or take it off me then. Apply the policy fairly to all forum users.

It is, there just isn't anyone willing to investigate. If they are scammers then they probably would have a tag by now if there were anyone working the cases. I don't know if you just can't read or don't believe it, but there are literally 0 people who are willing to do the scammer investigations Maged did, and Maged isn't doing them for now. You're gonna have a hard time finding someone to give away their time for free.

If you really want to see them get a scammer tag, then feel free to compile all the evidence, I'm sure Maged will give you some tips. Or just sit here and whine about it I guess.


OK. I understand.

Just clarify this for me : from now on, nobody gets scammer tagged anymore ever ?

No, people are still getting scammer tags. There's always clear cut cases which don't take much work, or people dumb enough to admit to what they did, etc. Cases that aren't so clear, like several of the ones you've mentioned will likely sit in the pile until a better solution comes along. Like I said, feel free to do it yourself if you think they need a tag.

Anyway, back to ignoring this thread. Thank god for the new watchlist, I never have to see this thread again.   Grin

I see ...

How can I see the evidence in my case against me ?

Also, what about setting up a scammer squad or scammer watch thread headed by me ( it takes one to know one Cheesy ), martychubbs, psy, bitlane etc.
BadBear
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Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 11:23:26 AM
#676
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: BadBear on June 30, 2012, 11:04:40 AM
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 05:35:36 AM
Either you apply the tag to all guys or take it off me then. Apply the policy fairly to all forum users.

It is, there just isn't anyone willing to investigate. If they are scammers then they probably would have a tag by now if there were anyone working the cases. I don't know if you just can't read or don't believe it, but there are literally 0 people who are willing to do the scammer investigations Maged did, and Maged isn't doing them for now. You're gonna have a hard time finding someone to give away their time for free.

If you really want to see them get a scammer tag, then feel free to compile all the evidence, I'm sure Maged will give you some tips. Or just sit here and whine about it I guess.


OK. I understand.

Just clarify this for me : from now on, nobody gets scammer tagged anymore ever ?

No, people are still getting scammer tags. There's always clear cut cases which don't take much work, or people dumb enough to admit to what they did, etc. Cases that aren't so clear, like several of the ones you've mentioned will likely sit in the pile until a better solution comes along. Like I said, feel free to do it yourself if you think they need a tag.

Anyway, back to ignoring this thread. Thank god for the new watchlist, I never have to see this thread again.   Grin
bulanula
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Merit: 500
Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 11:07:27 AM
#675
Quote from: BadBear on June 30, 2012, 11:04:40 AM
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 05:35:36 AM
Either you apply the tag to all guys or take it off me then. Apply the policy fairly to all forum users.

It is, there just isn't anyone willing to investigate. If they are scammers then they probably would have a tag by now if there were anyone working the cases. I don't know if you just can't read or don't believe it, but there are literally 0 people who are willing to do the scammer investigations Maged did, and Maged isn't doing them for now. You're gonna have a hard time finding someone to give away their time for free.

If you really want to see them get a scammer tag, then feel free to compile all the evidence, I'm sure Maged will give you some tips. Or just sit here and whine about it I guess.


OK. I understand.

Just clarify this for me : from now on, nobody gets scammer tagged anymore ever ?
BadBear
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Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 11:04:40 AM
#674
Quote from: bulanula on June 30, 2012, 05:35:36 AM
Either you apply the tag to all guys or take it off me then. Apply the policy fairly to all forum users.

It is, there just isn't anyone willing to investigate. If they are scammers then they probably would have a tag by now if there were anyone working the cases. I don't know if you just can't read or don't believe it, but there are literally 0 people who are willing to do the scammer investigations Maged did, and Maged isn't doing them for now. You're gonna have a hard time finding someone to give away their time for free.

If you really want to see them get a scammer tag, then feel free to compile all the evidence, I'm sure Maged will give you some tips. Or just sit here and whine about it I guess.
Luceo
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Per aspera ad astra!
Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 09:01:47 AM
#673
Bulanula, if you come into my shop and buy something that costs $1, and you give me $10, would you expect me to give you change or not?

Pay back what you owe, and get the tag removed. Seriously, why would you get yourself labelled like this for 20 BTC ($120)? It's just stupid.

Are your entire post history worth less than $0.05 each to you?

Is your reputation worth less than $120?

I just don't understand. Man up.
bulanula
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Activity: 518
Merit: 500
Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 05:35:36 AM
#672
If anyone wonders : I really don't care about the scammer tag.

However, I do care about being treated unfairly just because the guy was VIP.

Either you apply the tag to all guys or take it off me then. Apply the policy fairly to all forum users.

It does not say that Donator and VIP can label anyone scammer just because if you pay 10 BTC to forum.

I understand treating donator and VIP like royalty because they paid and me like a hobo because I didn't but I assumed that rules apply regardless of Donator or not.

Look at David_Benz scammer and donator guy ... very interesting case with him. 

This is unfair. I refuse to provide refund = I get tag WHILE other people scam outright and get nothing ?

That is why I am upset and created this thread.

bulanula
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Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 30, 2012, 04:17:56 AM
#671
So let me get this straight, the scammer tag is now defunct and I am the last bastard to get it ? Cheesy

Andre, WiseOldOwl, David_Benz among many other blatant scammers here and no tag either. 

theymos
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Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 29, 2012, 08:48:18 PM
#670
Quote from: Raoul Duke on June 29, 2012, 08:44:10 PM
But... how will those third parties have access to certain information, like IP addresses?
Isn't there potential for abuse in case you give those records to "external investigators" who ask for them?
Or did I misunderstood what you meant?

Moderators don't have access to this stuff, either.
Raoul Duke
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Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 29, 2012, 08:44:10 PM
#669
Quote from: theymos on June 29, 2012, 08:39:57 PM
Quote from: BadBear on June 29, 2012, 08:29:02 PM
Maybe it's time for the free market everyone talks about to work it's magic  Wink.

Yeah, victims and/or charities should pay people to compile the evidence. I certainly don't expect forum moderators to do these investigations.

But... how will those third parties have access to certain information, like IP addresses?
Isn't there potential for abuse in case you give those records to "external investigators" who ask for them?
Or did I misunderstood what you meant?
theymos
administrator
Activity: 5222
Merit: 13032
Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 29, 2012, 08:39:57 PM
#668
Quote from: BadBear on June 29, 2012, 08:29:02 PM
Maybe it's time for the free market everyone talks about to work it's magic  Wink.

Yeah, victims and/or charities should pay people to compile the evidence. I certainly don't expect forum moderators to do these investigations.
BadBear
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Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 29, 2012, 08:29:02 PM
#667
Quote from: Maged on June 29, 2012, 12:49:22 PM

As it is, we have very few people willing to put forth the effort to investigate a scam report, so everything else will either be delayed or ignored.

It sucks, but it's the truth. There's several alleged scammers without tags on the boards atm, because nobody (me included) can take the time to look into them. It's a time consuming process with little or no reward of any kind the majority of the time.

Maybe it's time for the free market everyone talks about to work it's magic  Wink.
Maged
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Re: Unjust scammer tag
June 29, 2012, 12:49:22 PM
#666
Quote from: bulanula on June 29, 2012, 06:18:57 AM
I still fail to see why BitcoinAdvertisers has no tag and I have a tag.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83328.msg996241;topicseen#new

Multiple complaints, no action.

I got tag like 1 day after guy complained ... because he is VIP.
We place VIP-related issues on the top of the pile. As it is, we have very few people willing to put forth the effort to investigate a scam report, so everything else will either be delayed or ignored. Since he has at least resolved the issue for future users, I don't think any mod wants to really do anything about this over just a few BTC.
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