I think I confused "features" with "services". I agree with you guys, we shouldn't add anonymous-ultrastake-thingamajig to the code, but hardware wallets, mixing service, a decentralized exchange, etc. would be good.
Truck ads would be AWESOME!
Topic: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Hardfork block 1042000 - Merge Mine w/BTC! - page 217. (Read 1047081 times)
January 10, 2016, 03:09:26 PM
January 10, 2016, 01:33:15 PM
/So Blueman, if you want to update those awesome graphics, thats just fine by me. Smiley/
It is a lot of text man.
@FK ,@Sirsmpkesalot, @Natmccoy and all the rest - let debate some text. Short and long- several options. Text that a few words and sentences to say everything about Uno. That options can be use to new people to discover Un.
Well i have a litle idea:
in close future i think to put those posters on 53' trailers long over the road trucks. This trucks travel in all US states and thousands people can see it every day. Dress up with vinyl all the way sides and back trailers can circulate for years on US roads
Thatis a big display ,but for non crypto people....Anyway i have very good frieds of mine in trucking industry....... 
maybe a good idea to use those graphics somewhere else...going to be fun to see that uno logo on the str.
It is a lot of text man.
@FK ,@Sirsmpkesalot, @Natmccoy and all the rest - let debate some text. Short and long- several options. Text that a few words and sentences to say everything about Uno. That options can be use to new people to discover Un.
Well i have a litle idea:
in close future i think to put those posters on 53' trailers long over the road trucks. This trucks travel in all US states and thousands people can see it every day. Dress up with vinyl all the way sides and back trailers can circulate for years on US roads
Thatis a big display ,but for non crypto people....Anyway i have very good frieds of mine in trucking industry....... maybe a good idea to use those graphics somewhere else...going to be fun to see that uno logo on the str. January 10, 2016, 12:57:28 PM
To me the real measure of how people value a coin is reflected in its hashrate. UNO's is crazy high and IMO out of line with it's baseline exchange value.
January 10, 2016, 12:23:50 PM
To be clear, features that make this commodity more useful would make it more valuable (if people use them). The statement that 'features would make it more useful, not more valuable', could be misinterpreted that we aren't interested in adding more features, or that nothing could make UNO more valuable.
With only the conditions we have now, (wallets; (Android, mac & windows core, electrum, brain, paper), exchanges; (bleutrade, bittrex, cryptopia, shapeshift, altquick), features; (coinpayments, debit card, phone service, dice) & traits; (low inflation, high hashrate, distribution that is continually growing stronger), we would see another all-time-high value in the future. This is because at the heart of Unobtanium are the concepts of accumulation, patience, & "tactical collecting". That definitely does not mean that we won't, or shouldn't be, working to add features.
With only the conditions we have now, (wallets; (Android, mac & windows core, electrum, brain, paper), exchanges; (bleutrade, bittrex, cryptopia, shapeshift, altquick), features; (coinpayments, debit card, phone service, dice) & traits; (low inflation, high hashrate, distribution that is continually growing stronger), we would see another all-time-high value in the future. This is because at the heart of Unobtanium are the concepts of accumulation, patience, & "tactical collecting". That definitely does not mean that we won't, or shouldn't be, working to add features.
Sure, it *could* be interpreted that way. Really though, what type of 'features' do people need their money to have? It needs to not erode in value as i hold it. That is a prime 'feature' of any type of money. I think the most important. That my Uno today can get me just as much crap as my Uno tomorrow.
Money is a tool. My hammer doesn't need all these extra features to work, i don't buy it for the padded grip and extended leverage in the claw. That is to differentiate and make it stand out in the sea of other hammers as the correct hammer for me. When people started marketing money, cryptos, like hammers, it became stupid. It is all a cash grab as the underlying function of every coin is the same, transference of wealth, it becomes all about which one vehicle for wealth transference enticed you the most. Was it the deluxe model, or the economy model? It is all bullshit. That is the problem.
Perhaps though, in the future, things will be different. The dollars in my wallet have NO features. The hundo has some cool features like color shifting ink and stuff, but those are the features real money has. Real money doesn't have an app or a software suite of features. That is just people trying to monetize their ideas.
A lot of this crypto shit has always felt like someone trying to sell me a $1 for a $1.10 because this new $1 is loaded with features. They will be more than happy to exchange it for my old and 'worthless' $1 for a mere 10% surcharge. Never sat right with me. Greater fool through and through.
The best way to add real value to Uno is to have real people valuing it. If people wanted Uno more than they wanted fiat, or anything, that would make it valuable. People don't want money because it is money, they want it for what it represents, anything. There is nothing you cannot obtain with money, therefore it is the end all and be all. If you make it so there is nothing Uno won't buy you, it achieves the same status.
January 10, 2016, 11:54:59 AM
Once all the Cryptsy uncertainty is past us and the exchange value begins to slowly increase UNO will attract new people to it on its own.
To me it looked like the price was consolidating in the 4-5 range as it returned to base support and began building anew... then Cryptsy got all goxy.
Smart alt-coin traders should BTFD.
To me it looked like the price was consolidating in the 4-5 range as it returned to base support and began building anew... then Cryptsy got all goxy.
Smart alt-coin traders should BTFD.
January 10, 2016, 09:04:58 AM
January 10, 2016, 08:35:13 AM
Once again, I talked myself into a corner, didn't I. Thanks, @nat, for pointing it out.
The point I was trying to get at is like this: that price gold is what the price of gold is.
You can make something out of gold, like a ring. Now you have a gold ring that ounce-for-ounce should be more valuable than the price of gold.
But the value of the gold itself is the same.
Uno's value is what it is, and there are no promise of future performance baked into the price.
but...
I agree with @IMZ's consistent point about the merchant and the innovator, because having the jewler in the market for gold creates demand and that will raise the price of gold. for everyone through scarcity. I never denied this but I just didn't think it through all the way in my last rant.
Clearly, Uno is worth more on Crytpsy today because of the way it performs a special function: moving value out of cryptsy. But that function could eventually be stapled onto other coins, and then the price of Uno might fall at Cryptsy. But the point I failed to make clearly is that features can be appended to just about any blockchain coin. I welcome new features and uses for Uno; but unlike a thousand other unfair blockchains, I also value Uno for the core idea behind it.
Uno is a pure crypto "base metal," imo. It is more fair than gold, because you know how much there is and when it will be discovered. Governments can't claim the Uno reward for blocks 200,000 to 300,000 just because it happens to be in a mountain under their control. You can't debase Uno by secretly mixing it with another less valuable blockchain. The way Blazr2 launched Unobtanium, with disregard for his own wealth, makes Uno different than almost anything else out there other than Bitcoin. You can't staple fairness onto an unfair blockchain; you only get one shot at it and if you mess it up, its gone forever.
Some people say, "A blockchain is just a bunch cryptographically linked text," and that text files are not special, and that blockchain tech is the real value today not the stuff it encodes. Yes, Visa & banks want to use blockchain tech for their own profit driven purposes, and it may be the same technology, but it is still not the same "idea." Beyond being "just a blockchain," Bitcoin is an idea that others have leveraged and built on top of.
What a lot of people don't understand is that a blockchain, like a piece of paper that a poet writes on, contains ideas and morality (social, economic, technological). Embedded in the core of every one of the thousands of cryptocurrencies that have ever been launched is an idea. Some of the ideas were, "let me scam as many people as I can," and "let me pre-mine this and dump it on the believers," or "This blockchain is only valuable because of me and my contributions and if I don't get my way, I am leaving." Many of them were bad, immoral ideas, and so they have died an appropriate death after the ideas were vetted.
But Uno was a good idea in 2013, and is still a good idea in 2016. Fairness is a good thing among most people, and so Uno has lasted so long because it's a great idea, an experiment in scarity, fairness, fair distribution and everything else.
I don't deny that Bitcoin also has a lot of these characteristics of fairness/fair launch in its blockchain story. Uno could only have been launched in 2013 in the shadow of Bitcoin. But Uno is a different metal when it comes to the mechanics of inflation and scarcity, and that to me is what makes it interesting.
So Blueman, if you want to update those awesome graphics, thats just fine by me.
The point I was trying to get at is like this: that price gold is what the price of gold is.
You can make something out of gold, like a ring. Now you have a gold ring that ounce-for-ounce should be more valuable than the price of gold.
But the value of the gold itself is the same.
Uno's value is what it is, and there are no promise of future performance baked into the price.
but...
I agree with @IMZ's consistent point about the merchant and the innovator, because having the jewler in the market for gold creates demand and that will raise the price of gold. for everyone through scarcity. I never denied this but I just didn't think it through all the way in my last rant.
Clearly, Uno is worth more on Crytpsy today because of the way it performs a special function: moving value out of cryptsy. But that function could eventually be stapled onto other coins, and then the price of Uno might fall at Cryptsy. But the point I failed to make clearly is that features can be appended to just about any blockchain coin. I welcome new features and uses for Uno; but unlike a thousand other unfair blockchains, I also value Uno for the core idea behind it.
Uno is a pure crypto "base metal," imo. It is more fair than gold, because you know how much there is and when it will be discovered. Governments can't claim the Uno reward for blocks 200,000 to 300,000 just because it happens to be in a mountain under their control. You can't debase Uno by secretly mixing it with another less valuable blockchain. The way Blazr2 launched Unobtanium, with disregard for his own wealth, makes Uno different than almost anything else out there other than Bitcoin. You can't staple fairness onto an unfair blockchain; you only get one shot at it and if you mess it up, its gone forever.
Some people say, "A blockchain is just a bunch cryptographically linked text," and that text files are not special, and that blockchain tech is the real value today not the stuff it encodes. Yes, Visa & banks want to use blockchain tech for their own profit driven purposes, and it may be the same technology, but it is still not the same "idea." Beyond being "just a blockchain," Bitcoin is an idea that others have leveraged and built on top of.
What a lot of people don't understand is that a blockchain, like a piece of paper that a poet writes on, contains ideas and morality (social, economic, technological). Embedded in the core of every one of the thousands of cryptocurrencies that have ever been launched is an idea. Some of the ideas were, "let me scam as many people as I can," and "let me pre-mine this and dump it on the believers," or "This blockchain is only valuable because of me and my contributions and if I don't get my way, I am leaving." Many of them were bad, immoral ideas, and so they have died an appropriate death after the ideas were vetted.
But Uno was a good idea in 2013, and is still a good idea in 2016. Fairness is a good thing among most people, and so Uno has lasted so long because it's a great idea, an experiment in scarity, fairness, fair distribution and everything else.
I don't deny that Bitcoin also has a lot of these characteristics of fairness/fair launch in its blockchain story. Uno could only have been launched in 2013 in the shadow of Bitcoin. But Uno is a different metal when it comes to the mechanics of inflation and scarcity, and that to me is what makes it interesting.
So Blueman, if you want to update those awesome graphics, thats just fine by me.
January 10, 2016, 08:26:31 AM
Debit cards are kind of a gimmick really .... why go through the trouble of buying Bitcoin, putting it on an exchange, purchasing UNO (or some other crypto), hodling it a while, then converting it back to fiat using a debit card? I can see some use cases for this but myself personally I got into crypto so I could break away from fiat-based systems.
While merchant adoption is slow, this is simply due to cryptocurrency being in it's infancy - although in the past few years I have made a few major purchases using only Bitcoin. Just bought a new laptop on local swaplist for a few BTC.
While merchant adoption is slow, this is simply due to cryptocurrency being in it's infancy - although in the past few years I have made a few major purchases using only Bitcoin. Just bought a new laptop on local swaplist for a few BTC.
January 10, 2016, 08:19:12 AM
re: features
meaning the app gimicks that everyone tried and 99.9% failed ... anon, VoIP, etc.
so it think promoting UN as "feature-less" is a fine angle to present, it seems to draw your attention and makes you really consider the unique properties of UN. but mostly just semantics.
however great breakdown you did there:
wallets; Downloads (Android, mac & windows core, electrum, brain, paper, web)
exchanges; Top100 (bleutrade, bittrex, cryptopia, shapeshift, altquick) (Base Pair for 78 other coins) guessing?
use features; Buy with it (coinpayments, debit card, phone service, dice, online retail market)
traits; Rare (ultra low inflation, ultra high hashrate, distribution ratio that is continually growing stronger and wider)
concepts of accumulation; patience, & "tactical collecting" as a reserve store of value currency, "Cold Vault"
community;
meaning the app gimicks that everyone tried and 99.9% failed ... anon, VoIP, etc.
so it think promoting UN as "feature-less" is a fine angle to present, it seems to draw your attention and makes you really consider the unique properties of UN. but mostly just semantics.
however great breakdown you did there:
wallets; Downloads (Android, mac & windows core, electrum, brain, paper, web)
exchanges; Top100 (bleutrade, bittrex, cryptopia, shapeshift, altquick) (Base Pair for 78 other coins) guessing?
use features; Buy with it (coinpayments, debit card, phone service, dice, online retail market)
traits; Rare (ultra low inflation, ultra high hashrate, distribution ratio that is continually growing stronger and wider)
concepts of accumulation; patience, & "tactical collecting" as a reserve store of value currency, "Cold Vault"
community;
January 10, 2016, 07:47:48 AM
To be clear, features that make this commodity more useful would make it more valuable (if people use them). The statement that 'features would make it more useful, not more valuable', could be misinterpreted that we aren't interested in adding more features, or that nothing could make UNO more valuable.
With only the conditions we have now, (wallets; (Android, mac & windows core, electrum, brain, paper), exchanges; (bleutrade, bittrex, cryptopia, shapeshift, altquick), features; (coinpayments, debit card, phone service, dice) & traits; (low inflation, high hashrate, distribution that is continually growing stronger), we would see another all-time-high value in the future. This is because at the heart of Unobtanium are the concepts of accumulation, patience, & "tactical collecting". That definitely does not mean that we won't, or shouldn't be, working to add features.
With only the conditions we have now, (wallets; (Android, mac & windows core, electrum, brain, paper), exchanges; (bleutrade, bittrex, cryptopia, shapeshift, altquick), features; (coinpayments, debit card, phone service, dice) & traits; (low inflation, high hashrate, distribution that is continually growing stronger), we would see another all-time-high value in the future. This is because at the heart of Unobtanium are the concepts of accumulation, patience, & "tactical collecting". That definitely does not mean that we won't, or shouldn't be, working to add features.
January 10, 2016, 01:35:08 AM
January 10, 2016, 01:05:57 AM
There you go 
January 10, 2016, 12:56:10 AM
What I love about UNO...
No POS inflation. It's pure, rare, undisputably fair launch, fair distribution crypto. No premine. Community supported and protected. No big promises that someone will do something to make you rich tomorrow. Low inflation to pay the network for 300 years.
Go ahead and staple any features to it you want. Features will make it useful, not valuable. I welcome useful features. The value was baked in at the start by Blazr2. A thousand crypto have come and gone, but Uno is still here.
No POS inflation. It's pure, rare, undisputably fair launch, fair distribution crypto. No premine. Community supported and protected. No big promises that someone will do something to make you rich tomorrow. Low inflation to pay the network for 300 years.
Go ahead and staple any features to it you want. Features will make it useful, not valuable. I welcome useful features. The value was baked in at the start by Blazr2. A thousand crypto have come and gone, but Uno is still here.
@FK this words deserve my blue print. To remind people what is Uno!
Just a minute and you have it to deploy it in the world of crypto-delusion!
January 09, 2016, 09:50:12 PM
What I love about UNO...
No POS inflation. It's pure, rare, undisputably fair launch, fair distribution crypto. No premine. Community supported and protected. No big promises that someone will do something to make you rich tomorrow. Low inflation to pay the network for 300 years.
Go ahead and staple any features to it you want. Features will make it useful, not valuable. I welcome useful features. The value was baked in at the start by Blazr2. A thousand crypto have come and gone, but Uno is still here.
No POS inflation. It's pure, rare, undisputably fair launch, fair distribution crypto. No premine. Community supported and protected. No big promises that someone will do something to make you rich tomorrow. Low inflation to pay the network for 300 years.
Go ahead and staple any features to it you want. Features will make it useful, not valuable. I welcome useful features. The value was baked in at the start by Blazr2. A thousand crypto have come and gone, but Uno is still here.
January 09, 2016, 06:38:46 PM
Minimum coin age - 2 hours
Interest rate - network weight dependent with maximum 5%
let say somebody buy 200,000. - how much pos going to make an is this fair?
The forum looks good btw......
Interest rate - network weight dependent with maximum 5%
let say somebody buy 200,000. - how much pos going to make an is this fair?
The forum looks good btw......
Pos, I make pos around 10 XMG a day, with 150k. (sha-256)
You can mine 10 XMG with a new I7 in 3 days. (M7M)
By the way, please buy 200 K, will be very good for the price.
January 09, 2016, 06:32:26 PM
Cryptsy are already dead!
Maybe for UNO, not for XMG, look for this fantastic price, tonight.
You better buy XMG instead of UNO I guess.
No way to send btc or other coin to cryptsy now. It is place for SUICIDE !
personally I don't like Pos coiuns. I have only TEK from the very beginning of tek. It is make my million of tek coins monthly. only good for dumping or I going to do some tek/uno sel on cryptopia....I keep it only for fun 40%an up Pos....
Magi is a PoW/PoS hybrid coin which I don't like. The more easy it's come the more easy it's go! Pos are not my thing Frisian. Rare and cold storable are
I also like rare coin, have big bag of UNO, but XMG is different like any other coin, go to the forum and see for yourself.
It's a coin for everyone, not for big hashers. I think, it's the only fair coin. But like I said, see for yourself.
Minimum coin age - 2 hours
Interest rate - network weight dependent with maximum 5%
let say somebody buy 200,000. - how much pos going to make an is this fair?
The forum looks good btw......
January 09, 2016, 06:01:59 PM
Cryptsy are already dead!
Maybe for UNO, not for XMG, look for this fantastic price, tonight.
You better buy XMG instead of UNO I guess.
No way to send btc or other coin to cryptsy now. It is place for SUICIDE !
personally I don't like Pos coiuns. I have only TEK from the very beginning of tek. It is make my million of tek coins monthly. only good for dumping or I going to do some tek/uno sel on cryptopia....I keep it only for fun 40%an up Pos....
Magi is a PoW/PoS hybrid coin which I don't like. The more easy it's come the more easy it's go! Pos are not my thing Frisian. Rare and cold storable are
I also like rare coin, have big bag of UNO, but XMG is different like any other coin, go to the forum and see for yourself.
It's a coin for everyone, not for big hashers. I think, it's the only fair coin. But like I said, see for yourself.
January 09, 2016, 05:57:05 PM
But once again guys : DYING EXCHANGES ARE THE NEW FASHION !!!!!! Mark this words for good.
January 09, 2016, 05:49:12 PM
I'm feel a bit nostalgic already about cryptsy. Was my favorite loading Uno depot.
January 09, 2016, 05:41:31 PM
It would take a miracle to save Cryptsy now. I'm hoping this will drag on at least another 30 days and that we can get all of the Uno out of there.
The Uno cold storage wallet at cryptsy is at 7.76% now. It keeps dropping.
We still have a great UNO market at Bittrex.com which is gaining strength. Despite the Uno we see piling up in the wallets there, it seems there is very little on the sell side.
Cryptopia.co.nz has give Uno base-coin status. Bleutrade is even seeing more trades lately and might catch on more.
We've lost our top market, but the future of Uno is far from bleak. This is going to kill a lot of other altcoins though.
The Uno cold storage wallet at cryptsy is at 7.76% now. It keeps dropping.
We still have a great UNO market at Bittrex.com which is gaining strength. Despite the Uno we see piling up in the wallets there, it seems there is very little on the sell side.
Cryptopia.co.nz has give Uno base-coin status. Bleutrade is even seeing more trades lately and might catch on more.
We've lost our top market, but the future of Uno is far from bleak. This is going to kill a lot of other altcoins though.
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