Topic: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Hardfork block 1042000 - Merge Mine w/BTC! - page 772. (Read 1047042 times)

   some people are so stupid to sell that cheap ! I just buy 620 UNO - Thank you for the good deal! .... - bot or not this UNO'S going off the market for long term holding   . Tomorrow going to buy 700 more- please dumped on me your UNOS !

That annoying bot keeps pushing things down and backfilling with sell orders. I'm going to blow its head off.

are you referring to the sell order just placed on cryptsy for 287 UNO @ .00469?
where are these kind of sellers coming from, and what is going on in their heads???

Looks like someone took the bait, thank me later!
Wish I could join, but the past days were kinda bad for me, no trading profits to spend on UNO. Much loss, such sad, wow.

did someone already take up the work on helping FK with the list of pools and exchanges?
I did compile a list of pools to help him but someone else surely needs to look if we have actually caputerd all the pools. I got also lot of stuff to do. Would be good if some voluntary could maybe help FK with getting a 100% complete list of pools and their mailadresses. I'll get him a complete list of all emailadresses of exchanges that trade uno within a few hours. Please someone else also give him a hand doublechecking with the pools-list. Thanks a lot.

Yes, generally physical coins have a private key/address code under a tamper proof hologram that you can then import into your cryptocurrency's client and spend ect...

What I think would be interesting is engraving a QR code or address onto a coin and having it as a payment method as well.

Both are something I am very interested in trying.

My guess is you'll need another pump'n'dump to get the majority of that order filled. Or some really bad news to scare a big holder into panic selling. I'll help you:
"OMG I heard Wolong is about to dump his 80k UNO and drop price to 100 satoshis soon, panic sell now!!11!1!1 Will post pastebin later as soon as I made it u... errr I mean exctracted it from my totally legit IRC logs."
j/k of course, do NOT sell.

@voluntarist500
concerning your survey:
guess on next 3-months high: .0076
guess on next 3-months low: .0043
guess on next 3-months average: .0059
on 1st of august this year the price for uno will be: .0061
I don't think a big jump is coming anytime soon. We'll see a big buy or two, followed by another dip and then a slow rise as more and more people realize the supply of UNO is drying up. Big gains might come in fall, right in time to fund some christmas presents. Of course that is all based on carefull TA of market trends, not some made up wishful thinking.

@bigtimespaghetti & @whathewhat
I like the idea, but how do physical coins work? I have never seen/used one yet. Is there a private key engraved on them or something?


NOTE: DRK is close to match UNO's value per coin. Only there's LOTS more of them and there's evidence of a significant instamine in the blockchain (article linked here a few pages back). Proof people will buy anything if it is marketed right and some big players get behind it...

I have been making a few preliminary sketches for designs of a physical coin. It seems there is some demand here and I'd love to spearhead the project only accepting UNO, at least at first.

Here is my first completed project (also accepting UNO!):



https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/goxxed-for-the-last-time-gold-and-silver-plated-508380

Anyone thought of physical unobtanium? Like the physical bitcoin/litecoin? I would love to have some but don't have experience making them.

@Philogius:
you are basically right with what you are saying. An unanonymous team stregthens confidence in a coin, true thing. (then again 'Satoshi')
A coin is on the other hand an open source protocol. Uno will maybe exist long after everyone of us died.
Another hypothetical example: you can choose between a coin with unanonymous team and bad technicals or a coin with anon team and brilliant technicals - which would you choose?
It is right though that a team of dedicated people who stick their heads up for uno would not hurt us (although it could if it were the wrong people - think Karpeles).
We could turn this issue back and forth a long time in discussion. There are many sides to that.
Right now i see we have a very active community, the coin was not premined and is very well distributed compared to other coins as the richlist shows, we have a very low inflation and use sha256 perfect for asics. So the technicals for investing into this coin are really, really good. This community-takeover could turn out to be one of the best ones in retrospective. What i am saying: the fundamentals are in our favour.
Having an unanonymous team of the right, dedicated people would be a nice thing to have but i wouldn't consider it to be a fundamental for a coin. More like a bonus. I would compare it to a nice logo. A nice logo is always a 'plus' but in the end of the day it is just decoration for the open source code and its decentralized network.
That's the way i look at coins. Everybody got different views.
Of course it would be good for the confidence in the coin to get transparent people to the front. Even better if those people have a good reputation. I will not say 'no' when those people show up.
Myself like his anonymity but also like helping uno as much as possible right now. I think it is not so important how my name is but more important what i can do for the project.
I think as time goes by everything will just work out very good for uno. Let's keep looking for reputable persons that want to back up uno with their names, i agree. Let's not rush though on that matter. It is important to have reputable and trustworthy people.


i am glad you are seeing how it was intended by me. I just found out i may not even have to declare it as buisiness since it is a) private hoppy b) risky speculation and c) no fiat involved. Speculation is no buisiness. in my country. I can not deduct losses from anything. I only need to declare taxes on the gains. It really is a speculative exchange of goods/assets and is not risk free - no gains are realized with the exchange as neither uno nor metal is legal tender. Taxable capitalgains happen when i exchange for fiat. It could possibly be handled like a crypto2crypto exchange if you look at it in the right way. I am basically putting up a constantly standing (low) buyorder for uno - that is what it really is. It is not a webshop, it is a standing order. I just buy uno with a public standing buyorder much like a googledoc here in the forum in that sense. If ever questions would arise concerning legality we could also have it as a googledoc in the forum and everybody could put up orders. You only need reliable escrow there.  
 So it could be easy to set up. I also think the service(buyoffer) will not be used heavily so i expect a fairly small real turnover. It should probably work out. That service/buyoffer can serve as a first example and could be copied and improved by others to achieve having it decentralized with having the offer mirrored by other people. In that sense seperate different websites are probably better than a centralized googledoc. Then again you could have several orderbooks on docs in different places.
The outcome is roughly the same: uno is backed with physical metal. That could be a buzz and after a while it wouldn't even matter if i would terminate my offer on the seperate webpage since others would have similar offers up and uno would still be backed in the same way. 'Decentralized private metal beacking through members of the community' - oh boy, to the moon! Uno as the first crypto that can not go to zero. Of course i'll keep working on it. Very likely will become a reality. Profile boost for uno for sure.

So we have two ideas now: a backing through a large lowball buyorder that is promised to be kept up at all times and could be copied to decentralize it (original idea)
second idea: establish an uno2metal free market on public orderbooks in several places on the web (using googledocs or something similar) where everybody could put up orders (new idea)
if the original idea was ever forbidden the two could be merged into one.
Very easy to make real in fact. We only need good escrow for the free market. Also the free market has quite a few attack-vectors for scammers but that could be handled by only letting accredited people buy uno for silver on those books.
Probably too much info in one package to swallow for most. One step at the time

No problem FK! I was happy to do it. Gliss is lightning fast in his response.

I am!   I have an order in for 200 UNO at .0048 right now on MintPal, on my way to adding 500 uno to my wallet. Come sell to me!

Why MintPal? We need more coins there, and more traders.

Nice job!! Thank you for solving this problem for the community!

Added to the voting section in the OP. Thank you!

I agree UNO may have a image/trust problem. Wolong abused the coin, basically took away the devs and slowly but surely things have been falling apart since then (no block explorer, out of date website etc.). Luckily some of the most pressing issues have already been addressed, but the basic problem remains.

Trust cannot be created out of thin air. As a community we (esp. thanks to FallingKnife and Soopy) have made more progress with UNO in 2 weeks than we have seen in several months before. I cannot stress enough how much I appreciate that. Sure, it should only be the beginning, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

First we need to repair the damage Wolong has done to this coin. Meaning we should start to rebuild some kind of official team and give the future of this coin some structure. I think it is safe to say now that none of the previous devs has the intention to step in and actively support UNO anymore.

So here are some issues I think (disclaimer: I have no clue and you are free to disagree with any or all of my points ) need to be tackled:

• We need declare a new official team
• That includes positions like a team leader, lead dev, supporting dev(s), webdev(s), community manager(s), marketing etc.
• We need access to the website to bring it up to date at any time
• We need to figure out a way to help pay for expenses and maybe offer bounties for services/apps in the future (maybe community managed donations, or a foundation of some kind)
• The team needs to define a future vision for the coin (that might very well be "UNO is already great, we will change nothing except fix issues as they come up", but we need a plan)
• We need to think of ways to market UNO better, right now its basically a "connaiseur's" coin

None of this needs to happen TODAY, but we should probably begin to step through this list slowly over the next weeks/months to turn UNO into the coin it was meant to be. Opinions?

@voluntarist500 I think the idea of backing a minimum value for UNO with silver is brilliant. I hope you can make that project work. It might be a great "feature" to have to boost UNO's profile...

buy whiles its cheap.
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Voluntarist500, I agree 100% with everything that you said. I never called for Soopy to give up his anonymity. I was making a completely different point.

What I said was that lay investors would have a lot more confidence investing in UNO if there were a few non-anonymous people prominently backing/developing UNO. Think about it this way: who would you feel safer investing $1,000 with: Warren Buffett, who has a reputation to protect, or some anonymous guy, who can disappear at any time, with his reputation in the "real" world fully intact? Someone credible who is willing to stick their neck out for something automatically gives that something credibility proportional to his or her reputation. If Warren Buffett said tomorrow that UNO is a fantastic investment, its price would increase to several hundred times its current value in a few hours.

My point was that SOME of the recent actions of the INITIAL developers of UNO did a lot to undermine our credibility, making it less likely that a reputable person would stick their neck out for us. Several high profile people/institutions have gone to bat for Bitcoin: MIT, the WinkleVii, Sean Parker, Ashton Kutcher, and Larry Summers, to name a few.

This is a remarkable belief that Summers, President Obama's former Treasury Secretary, expressed a few days ago:


Why would someone as prominent as Summers put his reputation at risk to make such a bold statement? He has very little to gain, and much to lose. The reason is that he has a reasonably high level of confidence that the Bitcoin developers/community are not going to f**k him by making him look stupid. He knows that they have their s**t together, so that if somebody fact checks him, there are competent and credible people, both inside AND outside of the Bitcoin community, who WILL back up what he said. The Bitcoin block explorer works ALL of the time. The Bitcoin website ALWAYS has the most up-to-date version of their client up. In other words, they are professionals ALL OF THE TIME. Once you demonstrate that kind of commitment, people will become willing to stick their neck out for you. In sharp contrast, the initial developer and the second UNO developer group gave 100% when it was convenient to them. That is good, but it is not good enough to inspire the kind of confidence that the Bitcoin, and to a lesser extent Litecoin and Dodecoin, communities have inspired. They bring their "A" game all the time because many of them ARE public, and they have real world reputations to protect. For example, Charles Lee, the inventor of Litecoin, works for Coinbase, so if he f**ks up, the whole world will know about it, and he will have to deal with some painful real world consequences. He can't just turn off the Litecoin block explorer, and go hide in the Cayman Islands.

So in certain cases, the lack of anonymity is a very good thing. If we had just one guy of Lee's caliber in the UNO community working on our wallet non-anonymously, UNO would easily be worth 10 times what it is now, and probably much more. Soopy is EXTREMELY talented. He could remain anonymous and work with a team including one guy like Lee. The Lee guy would be there to help technically, but he would MAINLY be there to show the outside investor that we are competent, trustworthy, credible, and PROFESSIONAL.

In closing, when you think of Litecoin:

• You think of Charles Lee,
• Then you think of Charles Lee as an employee of Coinbase,
• Then you think of Coinbase as a multi-million dollar company.
• Then you think "what are the odds of Charles Lee f**king me?"
• Then you answer "EXTREMELY LOW".

Who and what do you think of when you think of UNO?
This is the question that we need to think about and answer as a community if we want to convince people that UNO is a worthwhile investment.

I believe that UNO has MASSIVE potential. That is why I invest in it. I am 100% certain that in < 5 years, people will look at UNO in exactly the way that I have described Bitcoin & Litecoin above. I hope that this posting will help to inspire us to make it happen MUCH faster than that.

guys, i need still more opinions for the poll. At least 15 or 20 would be good. I got rid of the groups because richlist told me it is not that important since the distribution of uno is pretty alright.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Unobtanium/comments/23zr4d/opinionpoll_with_the_goal_of_predicting_future/

Just leave your estimate on next 3 months average, next 3 months high, next 3 months low and price on 1st of august here in the thread, on reddit or drop me a pm so i can actually do some magic with the data. So far only one person answered. Please make it 20 so the data is usefull. Thanks a lot. For those who don't want to click links here is the text again:

"Hello Unobtaniumcommunity. I wanted to do a little experiment with you. The background is this: hypothetically speaking, if all owners of unotanium would agree on a price that would be reality then but to just set that price and say nobody sells below that will not be working. Also trust can not be asked for in this market. But the hypothetical fact remains. Some of you may have heard about the 'wisdom of crowds'-theory which states that a group of people together will be able to do cognitive things an individual can not do. Watch this amazing 5minute video from the bcc to understand where i am coming from: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOucwX7Z1HU
My idea was to make an opinionpoll for the holders of Unobtanium. The theory is: if i could get every holder of uno to participate and give his/her best guesstimate on future pricedevelopement and afterwards average all the guesses to one number - i think that number must be very close to what the actual price will be. Step2: If this turns out to be the case and all your guesses combined are actually coming close to what the future is and this can be repeated we could give out graphs based on these opinionpolls again and again. If they proove accurate volatility would be reduced a decent bit over time since everybody has a map to navigate on which is based on these opinionpolls and thus on the opinion of the group as a whole. Reduced volatility is something that many coins tried to achieve in various ways. None was able to do it. Uno could be the first coin that achieves it if this method works out. Remember: crypto is psychological
That for an introduction. This is only an experiment and we do not know if this will be successful or not. I think it is worth a try. Your participation is volutary of course but i want to state that the more opinions i could gather the better and more accurate the outcome will be. So what i am asking everybody is to copy the questions below, fill them in and leave your guess as a comment here.
The questions:
guess on next 3-months high: [your guess here]
guess on next 3-months low: [your guess here]
guess on next 3-months average: [your guess here]
on 1st of august this year the price for uno will be: [your guess here]
please use price in btc not usd
If after 3 months we are coming close to what you as a group predicted we will repeat this to see if it matches again. I think this could be a fun experiment with possible benefits for uno (reduced volatility if it works time and time again and it could also generate positive attention if it works out). So i hope everyone takes part. You have 14 days to send the answers before i calculate the results."

please help with this. i need YOUR opinion. Best would be to get ALL opinions/guesses/estimates of holders of uno. Thanks for participating.