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Topic: [UNOFFICIAL] [VNL] Vanillacoin 0.4.1 | Instant ▱ Incentivized ▱ Innovative - page 74. (Read 433438 times)

hero member
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And asking this question again and again spreads the lie.

I get it. But don't then clear answers to such questions spread the truth and counter the lie? Of course if you have nothing to hide. Perhaps this is one of the trolls' goals - make the community perceive all doubts and questions about the project as FUD and trolling, thereby repulsing new members.

Anyway I think I've got my answers. Thanks to anyone who responded.
legendary
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Would be nice to see VNL on 1ex.trade when they activate their alts soon.  Dev I suggest you msg the wbb dev and get on there.  It'll only be LEGIT alts/devs only so it'd be a good show of faith to be there.

Tbh the time of new anon altcoin exchanges is over (I saw no info on who owns/operates the website, please tell me if I'm wrong) and also they didn't really develop it since Crypto Capital is building these exchanges as far as I remember it from their website.
legendary
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Would be nice to see VNL on 1ex.trade when they activate their alts soon.  Dev I suggest you msg the wbb dev and get on there.  It'll only be LEGIT alts/devs only so it'd be a good show of faith to be there.
legendary
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Vanillacoin wallet version 0.3.8 RC1 released!

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Version 0.3.8 Release Candidate 1 is now ready. This version supports the ability to change your wallet password and remotely lock non-ZeroTime transactions by right clicking on an unconfirmed transaction and clicking "Lock". Additionaly this upgrade includes general bug fixes and performance improvements. You can download version 0.3.8 RC1 here:

Source and download links: http://vanillacoin.net/news.php#0002

Please RT: https://twitter.com/Vanillacoin1/status/653897264495206400

Please revert to 0.3.7 and wait for the next release of 0.3.8
legendary
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Peaky Blinder
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=== NODE IS OK! ==
hero member
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Usually I don't post things like this but VNL and Peercoin are similar in some way. Both are not clones of Bitcoin. Market conditions were totally different, that's probably why VNL is now ~10x cheaper than Peercoin at that moment.

hero member
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If you haven't read the code or have no understanding learn and research before accusing.

repeating the same non-facts and expecting some result. Cool

Probably I missed the point in time when asking questions became the same thing as "accusing" and "repeating facts". Can't keep up with the times Grin

I think it doesn't require much expertise to examine the code for license violations but it takes time and effort. That's the exact reason for me asking about this. I didn't find a clear answer on the forum so I was expecting someone who already knows the truth will tell me.

I can see this is a somewhat sensitive question for you guys but don't get me wrong. As a VNL holder I'm concerned about any potential problems this project can face and I'm not trying to obstruct it in any way.

For now I can summarize your answers as "We neither admit nor deny this. Anyway, you won't find anything. And even if you find something you won't prove it." Correct me if I'm wrong.

1. John wrote all of the code by himself and that's basically the answer for your questions.
2. You need a lot of money, time and effort to examine it for license violations. Only ignorant could think that all what it takes is to compare two snippets of code and take an analysis made by some 10 yo wannabe dev as a truth.
3. You can write everything you want about any cryptocurrency, especially here on bitcointalk.  That's why some people are sensitive, because it's easy to spread the lies, but it's 10 times harder to straight them up. And asking this question again and again spreads the lie.
4. It's really a matter of common sense. All of the accusations are related to some not important, most basic methods. He was able to create zero-time, but you really think he had to copy-paste simpliest code and run it throught reformatter(or how is it called?)? Is something like this even under license, while it's a common knowledge and everyone can do this without looking at bitcoin code(and obviously it will look similar)?
sr. member
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good enough, your right and wrong lol... and now lets move on.
hero member
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If you haven't read the code or have no understanding learn and research before accusing.

repeating the same non-facts and expecting some result. Cool

Probably I missed the point in time when asking questions became the same thing as "accusing" and "repeating facts". Can't keep up with the times Grin

I think it doesn't require much expertise to examine the code for license violations but it takes time and effort. That's the exact reason for me asking about this. I didn't find a clear answer on the forum so I was expecting someone who already knows the truth will tell me.

I can see this is a somewhat sensitive question for you guys but don't get me wrong. As a VNL holder I'm concerned about any potential problems this project can face and I'm not trying to obstruct it in any way.

For now I can summarize your answers as "We neither admit nor deny this. Anyway, you won't find anything. And even if you find something you won't prove it." Correct me if I'm wrong.
hero member
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Isn't it always the case where I mutter "Should have bought more"...
sr. member
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sell books dropped from 950k ~2 weeks ago to 400k just now


looking very good!

These sell orders were mostly at ridiculously high prices. So almost nothing changed.
Well, the price is rising and an uptrend is in formation so yes things have changed and in a positive and lengthy direction IMHO. Cool

Thank you for your support.
sr. member
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Seems like you didn't quite understand the question or trying to dodge it. Or maybe don't know how open source licenses work.

First of all, i'm asking this question without any relation to this coin's features, innovations, speculative value, or any other altcoin-related things. I'm considering VNL as an open-source software product regardless of it's application here.

So the questions are:

1. Is there any code used in VNL which wasn't written by john-connor but derived from any other open-source licensed project?
2. If yes then is all the mentioned code used with proper attribution?

Of course you can say that "it's all anonymous here, so nobody can sue anyone and we can do all we want". This is OK for a short term pump-and-dump scam or a coin designed for "dark" applications only. But if this project is going to be something big and legal then such thing as a code license should be in perfect order.
This has already been overly discussed. Read all of the source code and then decide for yourself. If you find anything suspicious your next move would be to hire an IP lawyer to verify the claims are valid. This is how these situations are handled in the real world, not on bitcointalk.org by repeating the same non-facts and expecting some result. Cool

Thank you for your support.
legendary
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Answer to 1) all the code was written by John-conner, though the peer coin code was definatly  referenced in building vnl code...

There are a few similarities with the code, similar to using lines like "once apon a time", or "in a land far far away# in a fantasy story But at this time with so many projects using those lines they could easily be considered public domain at this point...  everything that makes up the uniqueness of vnl has no references whatsoever. .

If you gave a good understanding of coding please respond negatively or positively to this post..  I am by no means an expert, though I have some understanding of coding.
If you haven't read the code or have no understanding learn and research before accusing.
hero member
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Seems like you didn't quite understand the question or trying to dodge it. Or maybe don't know how open source licenses work.

First of all, i'm asking this question without any relation to this coin's features, innovations, speculative value, or any other altcoin-related things. I'm considering VNL as an open-source software product regardless of it's application here.

So the questions are:

1. Is there any code used in VNL which wasn't written by john-connor but derived from any other open-source licensed project?
2. If yes then is all the mentioned code used with proper attribution?

Of course you can say that "it's all anonymous here, so nobody can sue anyone and we can do all we want". This is OK for a short term pump-and-dump scam or a coin designed for "dark" applications only. But if this project is going to be something big and legal then such thing as a code license should be in perfect order.
legendary
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So what is the real story regarding open source code attribution? I looked through VNL threads here and didn't find a complete explanation. Probably I just missed something. I suppose it is one of these:

1. The attribution was properly given but certain people missed it.
2. That particular code doesn't need any attribution according to its license.
3. The whole thing was made up to spread some FUD and there was no such code at all.
4. The open source license violation really took place and the fact is carefully protected by some community members attacking anyone who asks question.

So which one is it? Or is it something else?

It's a complete redesign of the old peercoin codebase in C++11. A few people claimed it was run through an auto format, but these people actually never researched the files on github. There are a few files which are similar to what Bitcoin/Peercoin uses since Vanillacoin has obviously the same (P2P crypto-currency) structure: blockchain, wallet etc. This is important since Coin++ gives the opportunity for Peercoin derivatives to switch/upgrade their code bases to Vanillacoin's if they wish. The network protocol is completely different from what bitcoin/peercoin derivatives use.

They claim this means copyright infringement, but imho the similarities would never reach that status in a legal battle. Also it's worth to mention that our features like CoinPP, MinerPP, ZeroTime, Wallet (non-qt) are nowhere similar to anything other coins did.

Else if they would want a legal battle, who would sue John? Sunny King? Satoshi?
legendary
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So what is the real story regarding open source code attribution? I looked through VNL threads here and didn't find a complete explanation. Probably I just missed something. I suppose it is one of these:

1. The attribution was properly given but certain people missed it.
2. That particular code doesn't need any attribution according to its license.
3. The whole thing was made up to spread some FUD and there was no such code at all.
4. The open source license violation really took place and the fact is carefully protected by some community members attacking anyone who asks question.

So which one is it? Or is it something else?

Because there simply no story.... Crypto is full of suppose story and accusation... Its wild west still. If everything work its simply mad people haven't buy when it was cheap,don't forget VNL is the only one currency have done 3 rise a years with consolidation,btc haven't done that too... Great time in front of us Smiley
hero member
Activity: 690
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So what is the real story regarding open source code attribution? I looked through VNL threads here and didn't find a complete explanation. Probably I just missed something. I suppose it is one of these:

1. The attribution was properly given but certain people missed it.
2. That particular code doesn't need any attribution according to its license.
3. The whole thing was made up to spread some FUD and there was no such code at all.
4. The open source license violation really took place and the fact is carefully protected by some community members attacking anyone who asks question.

So which one is it? Or is it something else?
legendary
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This is best gem I ever see since im in crypto! Watch out this one Smiley
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