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legendary
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May 06, 2016, 10:59:44 AM


What else would you expect? Lotsa Trump supporters are cool with it, even if it makes them appear as if they jumped on the Trump Train from the turnip truck.

Something like this was inevitable. Ya think Carl Ichan and Lloyd Blankfein don't have each other on speed-dial? Friend of a friend?

And besides, the nom is now a done deal. It's Trump's train, so he's steering it towards Centerville. The first rule of Trump train is that there's only one person in charge of Trump Train. And in Trump's variant of New York values, a done deal is a done deal. You can play the peacock as much as you want during the negotiation, but once the deal is done it's done. It's a commitment.

Trump's part of the deal is to win the general. The base's part of the deal is to stick by him. A deal's a deal.

And now can anyone of you people explain me why trump would/should remember even one of his promises if he gets voted in?

He is already backtracking now should be obvious how the future looks like.

Oh and btw. Russia supporting trump should be a really bad signal.
Just look at europe and which parties get money and support from russia.


Well anyway a weak USA means rest of the world gets stronger i guess.
Care to elaborate on that?  I happen to think Russia and the US should be good friends and allies in many situations.

Pretty much all right wing parties in europe especially in the eu get money support or similiar from russia.
legendary
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May 06, 2016, 10:58:53 AM
"Donald Trump’s Idea to Cut National Debt: Get Creditors to Accept Less"

Now this item here is fascinating. To be honest, I expected the Donald to broach something like this; his own business career telegraphed it with loud-and-clear clickety-clicks. To preface any future discussion, I'll start off with a dufus quote from the article:

Quote from: someone named Lou Crandall
“No one on the other side would pick up the phone if the secretary of the U.S. Treasury tried to make that call,” said Lou Crandall, chief economist at Wrightson ICAP. “Why should they? They have a contract” requiring payment in full.

For those of us living in the real world, U.S. Treasury debt is sovereign debt. It's debt issued by a sovereign nation, legally structured as a debenture. And one thing about sovereign nations, they have the traditional sovereign right to rip up contracts. Heck, Argentina's been inducing "credit events" recurrently over the last century and the creditors have always come back.

It would be funny as anything if the European Union felt obliged to put together a bailout package for the creditors of the U.S. government...

As far as I can tell that is actually the most sane solution. Don't pay the debt.

My idea would be to shut down the United States on July 3rd. Open the United States 2.0 on July 4th.

You would still have the same income from the income tax since the police and jails will be handed over to US2.0. But you would be under no obligations that US1.0 had. Thus, no more debt. That's $400 billion per year extra that I just saved you instead of paying interest on the debt.

Nobody would ever trust US2.0's credit anymore? No worries, US2.0 has a balanced budget amendment. No need to ever borrow again.

It would not only be creditors who lose confidence. Every foreign investor or similiar wouldnt trust the USA anymore.
A lot of ppl wont live with the idea that they could never see their money again.
legendary
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May 06, 2016, 10:53:22 AM


What else would you expect? Lotsa Trump supporters are cool with it, even if it makes them appear as if they jumped on the Trump Train from the turnip truck.

Something like this was inevitable. Ya think Carl Ichan and Lloyd Blankfein don't have each other on speed-dial? Friend of a friend?

And besides, the nom is now a done deal. It's Trump's train, so he's steering it towards Centerville. The first rule of Trump train is that there's only one person in charge of Trump Train. And in Trump's variant of New York values, a done deal is a done deal. You can play the peacock as much as you want during the negotiation, but once the deal is done it's done. It's a commitment.

Trump's part of the deal is to win the general. The base's part of the deal is to stick by him. A deal's a deal.

And now can anyone of you people explain me why trump would/should remember even one of his promises if he gets voted in?

He is already backtracking now should be obvious how the future looks like.

Oh and btw. Russia supporting trump should be a really bad signal.
Just look at europe and which parties get money and support from russia.


Well anyway a weak USA means rest of the world gets stronger i guess.
Care to elaborate on that?  I happen to think Russia and the US should be good friends and allies in many situations.
legendary
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May 06, 2016, 10:40:17 AM


More good news as far as I'm concerned.  At least potentially since I could make up-sides out of almost every one of these bullet points.

1.  A traitor from the enemy ranks can make an especially valuable contribution.

2.  Perhaps it sucked.  I didn't read it.  Long past ideas from Trump appear to be something of a 'claw back' of ilbegotten wealth.  Works for me.  Generally the (multiple) flip/flops from Trump seem to end up in the direction I prefer.

3.  Any system would be fine with me if the foundation was built on cost controls.  Single-Payer provides the theoretical best leverage.  All I want is a strong poison-pill and fall-back option if political shifts bring us back to some fraction of the corruption we see in today's system.

4.  I think that unless every person who wishes to work can build a decent quality of life for themselves and their families, we'll not have a decent and stable place to live.  I would prefer to not have it mandated by the government, but am not necessarily against it.  As always, I want to see the plan _and_ the expiration and/or fall-back option(s) built in.

5.  The problem with funding is associated with corruption and influence peddling.  I no more with to see only rich people capable of holding office than I do only corporations controlling the representation (though the former can at least be more easily verified as Americans.)  Blind funding and transparency are tools which could be used.

These bullet points represent minor and trivial aspects of the appeal and hope of a Trump presidency to me.  I care mostly that he will expose, fight, and roll back the Globalist agendas.  That is where I, and I expect a lot of his more sophisticated supporters, will be holding his feet to the fire.

legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
May 06, 2016, 10:01:12 AM
"Donald Trump’s Idea to Cut National Debt: Get Creditors to Accept Less"

Now this item here is fascinating. To be honest, I expected the Donald to broach something like this; his own business career telegraphed it with loud-and-clear clickety-clicks. To preface any future discussion, I'll start off with a dufus quote from the article:

Quote from: someone named Lou Crandall
“No one on the other side would pick up the phone if the secretary of the U.S. Treasury tried to make that call,” said Lou Crandall, chief economist at Wrightson ICAP. “Why should they? They have a contract” requiring payment in full.

For those of us living in the real world, U.S. Treasury debt is sovereign debt. It's debt issued by a sovereign nation, legally structured as a debenture. And one thing about sovereign nations, they have the traditional sovereign right to rip up contracts. Heck, Argentina's been inducing "credit events" recurrently over the last century and the creditors have always come back.

It would be funny as anything if the European Union felt obliged to put together a bailout package for the creditors of the U.S. government...

As far as I can tell that is actually the most sane solution. Don't pay the debt.

My idea would be to shut down the United States on July 3rd. Open the United States 2.0 on July 4th.

You would still have the same income from the income tax since the police and jails will be handed over to US2.0. But you would be under no obligations that US1.0 had. Thus, no more debt. That's $400 billion per year extra that I just saved you instead of paying interest on the debt.

Nobody would ever trust US2.0's credit anymore? No worries, US2.0 has a balanced budget amendment. No need to ever borrow again.
legendary
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May 06, 2016, 09:46:52 AM
And now can anyone of you people explain me why trump would/should remember even one of his promises if he gets voted in?

He is already backtracking now should be obvious how the future looks like.

It's part of the usual election dance in the U.S.: it's called the march [or pivot] to the centre.
legendary
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May 06, 2016, 09:45:39 AM
"Donald Trump’s Idea to Cut National Debt: Get Creditors to Accept Less"

Now this item here is fascinating. To be honest, I expected the Donald to broach something like this; his own business career telegraphed it with loud-and-clear clickety-clicks. To preface any future discussion, I'll start off with a dufus quote from the article:

Quote from: someone named Lou Crandall
“No one on the other side would pick up the phone if the secretary of the U.S. Treasury tried to make that call,” said Lou Crandall, chief economist at Wrightson ICAP. “Why should they? They have a contract” requiring payment in full.

For those of us living in the real world, U.S. Treasury debt is sovereign debt. It's debt issued by a sovereign nation, legally structured as a debenture. And one thing about sovereign nations, they have the traditional sovereign right to rip up contracts. Heck, Argentina's been inducing "credit events" recurrently over the last century and the creditors have always come back.

It would be funny as anything if the European Union felt obliged to put together a bailout package for the creditors of the U.S. government...
legendary
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May 06, 2016, 09:45:00 AM


What else would you expect? Lotsa Trump supporters are cool with it, even if it makes them appear as if they jumped on the Trump Train from the turnip truck.

Something like this was inevitable. Ya think Carl Ichan and Lloyd Blankfein don't have each other on speed-dial? Friend of a friend?

And besides, the nom is now a done deal. It's Trump's train, so he's steering it towards Centerville. The first rule of Trump train is that there's only one person in charge of Trump Train. And in Trump's variant of New York values, a done deal is a done deal. You can play the peacock as much as you want during the negotiation, but once the deal is done it's done. It's a commitment.

Trump's part of the deal is to win the general. The base's part of the deal is to stick by him. A deal's a deal.

And now can anyone of you people explain me why trump would/should remember even one of his promises if he gets voted in?

He is already backtracking now should be obvious how the future looks like.

Oh and btw. Russia supporting trump should be a really bad signal.
Just look at europe and which parties get money and support from russia.


Well anyway a weak USA means rest of the world gets stronger i guess.
legendary
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May 06, 2016, 09:35:32 AM


What else would you expect? Lotsa Trump supporters are cool with it, even if it makes them appear as if they jumped on the Trump Train from the turnip truck.

Something like this was inevitable. Ya think Carl Ichan and Lloyd Blankfein don't have each other on speed-dial? Friend of a friend?

And besides, the nom is now a done deal. It's Trump's train, so he's steering it towards Centerville. The first rule of Trump train is that there's only one person in charge of Trump Train. And in Trump's variant of New York values, a done deal is a done deal. You can play the peacock as much as you want during the negotiation, but once the deal is done it's done. It's a commitment.

Trump's part of the deal is to win the general. The base's part of the deal is to stick by him. A deal's a deal.
legendary
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minds.com/Wilikon
May 06, 2016, 08:20:51 AM



Donald Trump recieves huge support from Russians









legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
May 06, 2016, 08:15:42 AM
legendary
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May 06, 2016, 08:03:02 AM



Rand Paul On Trump: “I’ve Always Said I’ll Endorse The Nominee”









Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, asked on Thursday if he would endorse Donald Trump now that he’s the party’s presumptive nominee, answered that he has always said he would back the winner of the Republican primary.
“You know, I’ve always said I’ll endorse the nominee,” Paul said in an interview with interviewed by radio host Leland Conway. “I said that even when I ran [for Senate] in 2010.”
Paul then turned to criticizing Hillary Clinton.
“To me it’s most important that people know that, for Kentucky, the Clinton’s will be terrible. I mean, she said she’s gonna put coal miners out of business.We’ve lost 10,000 jobs. So I think it’s almost the patriotic duty of anybody in Kentucky to oppose the Clintons because I think they’re rotten at the core, I think they’re dishonest people.”


http://archive.is/Mdflk


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legendary
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May 06, 2016, 07:13:43 AM

So Trump is bigger than God?  I knew he was big, but Jesus....
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
May 06, 2016, 03:14:13 AM
I don't think Trump should take on a woman/minority VP just for the sake of them being a woman/minority.

The left just hates it when Republicans try to make history with a minority before they do and they go the extra mile to prevent it. Look at what they did to Palin. She had dozens of media goons following her everywhere, camping outside her house, they did everything they could to make sure she didn't become the VP. They couldn't stand the thought that the Republicans could take away a historical move from them. Same thing with Clarence Thomas. They fought him getting on the Supreme Court tooth and nail. They have to be the ones to get minorities in high positions otherwise they don't want it to happen.

So don't worry about gender or race, just pick someone decent. Pick one of the LP candidates and you won't have to worry about that contingent.
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May 06, 2016, 02:08:46 AM
legendary
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May 05, 2016, 08:45:18 PM



Thank you for participating in this thread again. How's bernie doing?


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May 05, 2016, 07:58:49 PM
legendary
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May 05, 2016, 07:58:25 PM



Rick Perry Endorses Trump for President



Former Texas Governor, and Republican presidential candidate, Rick Perry has endorsed GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump.

The longest serving governor in the Lone Star State said he believed in the process, and he believes in the voters, and the voters have voted for Trump. Perry said he believes that Trump loves this country and would surround himself with experienced and capable people to help him lead the nation, reported CNN’s Dana Bash.

In addition to this announcement, CNN also reported that Perry, who was the first to criticize Trump during the GOP presidential debates, answered that it would be “quixotic” to consider a run as a third party candidate.

Perry did not think it was unrealistic or impractical to be open to helping Trump in any way he could, including serving as vice president. He said he would not say no.

When asked about his being critical of the New Yorker, Perry was reported to say Trump “is not a perfect man.”


http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/05/05/rick-perry-endorses-trump-for-president/



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May 05, 2016, 07:49:12 PM



57% of Americans Agree With Donald Trump on Policy









Americans are adopting a foreign policy much closer to Republican Donald Trump than Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton, saying in a new survey that they want an "America First" focus that fixes the U.S. before other countries.

A comprehensive new Pew Research Center poll found that 57 percent agree that America should deal with its own problems. Just 37 percent disagreed. And more than not said America is too helpful internationally.




http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pew-57-say-america-first/article/2590448


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I believe this is good news for all our european friends who, for too long, believed America should mind its own business and let europe and the of the world deal with their own problem. Like adults. Finally a US president the whole world can fight for and support... 100%


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legendary
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May 05, 2016, 07:34:56 PM



WEST VIRGINIA COAL MINERS ENDORSE DONALD TRUMP












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