[UPDATE: 2015-05-10] Bitcoin Core soft-fork "No Forced TX Fee" v0.10.1 available - page 3.

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Quote from: ShadowOfHarbringer on January 09, 2014, 07:25:12 AM

Quote from: Abdussamad on January 09, 2014, 05:43:28 AM

Quote from: ShadowOfHarbringer on December 22, 2013, 03:23:07 PM

If it does not allow you to send without fee, probably very high risk of losing the coins exists.

This worries me. Not because I think there is any chance of loosing coins but because you don't know that there is no chance of loosing coins. Spend transactions are either mined into a block or not. If they are not being mined you can just stop broadcasting that transaction and mining pools will eventually forget about it and you can send those coins with a fee. How exactly is there a risk of "loosing" coins, then?

Ask the core Bitcoin developers. The code which asks you for a fee in that case has not been changed in my fork.

This fork is merely 3 lines of code which turn off a single limitation which forces you to pay a fee even when it is not absolutely necessary. That is not rocket science.

You seem to have misunderstood what I wrote. I just said that there is never a risk of loosing your coins just because you didn't pay enough of a fee. You just remove the transaction using pywallet and wait for the mining pools to forget it. Then you can redo the transaction again with a fee.

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Quote from: Abdussamad on January 09, 2014, 05:43:28 AM

Quote from: ShadowOfHarbringer on December 22, 2013, 03:23:07 PM

If it does not allow you to send without fee, probably very high risk of losing the coins exists.

This worries me. Not because I think there is any chance of loosing coins but because you don't know that there is no chance of loosing coins. Spend transactions are either mined into a block or not. If they are not being mined you can just stop broadcasting that transaction and mining pools will eventually forget about it and you can send those coins with a fee. How exactly is there a risk of "loosing" coins, then?

Ask the core Bitcoin developers. The code which asks you for a fee in that case has not been changed in my fork.

This fork is merely 3 lines of code which turn off a single limitation which forces you to pay a fee even when it is not absolutely necessary. That is not rocket science.

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Quote from: ShadowOfHarbringer on December 22, 2013, 03:23:07 PM

If it does not allow you to send without fee, probably very high risk of losing the coins exists.

This worries me. Not because I think there is any chance of loosing coins but because you don't know that there is no chance of loosing coins. Spend transactions are either mined into a block or not. If they are not being mined you can just stop broadcasting that transaction and mining pools will eventually forget about it and you can send those coins with a fee. How exactly is there a risk of "loosing" coins, then?

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Quote from: shark255 on December 31, 2013, 04:49:42 AM

yep! it works for me for 0.01 BTC without fee but takes for 2 hours approx. for confirmation. But good at all. Thanks for developer!

Yep, it takes longer but it works. That is the exact reason I've built this fork - because i think that the default algo sucks donkey's balls as it requires fee for coins that could be easily sent without.

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yep! it works for me for 0.01 BTC without fee but takes for 2 hours approx. for confirmation. But good at all. Thanks for developer!

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Ok so I finally successfully built the windows version, but for some reason it is still requiring a fee. I have tried both 5.3.1 and 6.0rc4 and command line version without success. I checked the source I have and it does have your wallet modification. Would there be a reason why it wouldn't let me send fee-less? I am using gitian to build it.

There can be multiple reasons. Like:
- You have received money from a lot of inputs
- The coins do not have enough confirmations

FYI, this fork does not remove fees completely, it only relaxes the fee requirement algorithm. If it does not allow you to send without fee, probably very high risk of losing the coins exists. You can still send them using RAW transactions API, but i wouldn't go for it if I was you.

Also, recheck 3 times if you are using binary built from my code. You may be using other binary.

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2013-10-07 Update:

NFTF - versions 0.8.4, 0.8.5 released.

Fresh tag - nftf-v0.8.4, nftf-v0.8.5 is avaiable for download.
https://github.com/ShadowOfHarbringer/bitcoin-nftf/tags

MASTER branch was also updated to latest Bitcoin version:
https://github.com/ShadowOfHarbringer/bitcoin-nftf
EDIT: Sorry, mistake. I did not update master this time.

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Quote from: ssateneth on October 02, 2013, 08:26:43 AM

any update to 0.8.5?

Soon. In progress.

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any update to 0.8.5?

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2013-08-19 Update:

NFTF - version 0.8.3 released.

Fresh tag - nftf-v0.8.3 is avaiable for download.
https://github.com/ShadowOfHarbringer/bitcoin-nftf/tags

MASTER branch was also updated to latest Bitcoin version:
https://github.com/ShadowOfHarbringer/bitcoin-nftf

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Quote from: luv2drnkbr on June 24, 2013, 08:26:32 PM

Isn't this a configurable option in 0.8.2? Or do we need your client for your forked chain?

Nope.

- Chain is not forked
- Transaction relaying is unaffected
- Everything except amount of fees when sending **your own money** is unaffected

This is a minor patch, nearly identical to official client.
You can simply send money paying less fees, but with higher risk of transaction not making it into a block (fees might not be enough).

I created this fork, because i didn't like the decision of the devs to raise fees some time ago without giving user any choice (a configuration option for God's sake !).

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Isn't this a configurable option in 0.8.2? Or do we need your client for your forked chain?

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2013-06-23 Update:

NFTF - version 0.8.2 released.

Fresh tag - nftf-v0.8.2 is avaiable for download.
https://github.com/ShadowOfHarbringer/bitcoin-nftf/tags

PLEASE NOTE THAT UNTIL MAX BLOCK SIZE PROBLEM HAS BEEN SOLVED BY DEVELOPERS, SOME FREE (WITHOUT FEE) TRANSACTIONS CREATED BY THIS FORK MAY CONFIRM VERY SLOWLY OR NEVER.
PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING BEFORE USING THIS FORK.

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Quote from: Cranky4u on June 18, 2013, 10:56:51 PM

Quote from: Luke-Jr on May 22, 2013, 06:21:15 PM

Quote from: LvM on May 22, 2013, 01:48:08 PM

Each lawyer will tell you:
All these ARBITRARY and UNFORESEEABLE enforced transaction fees are ILLEGAL.

It cannot be down to miners whim, what at all and even HOW MUCH they want to claim.
A claim of fees must at least clearly be declared before a transaction is definitely mandated by users.

Otherwise there is no agreement.
No agreement, no fee.
And no other chicanry like delays or denial of service (seems also applied - illegally).

Miners have the right to choose whom they provide service to or not.

does this have atopic location at all? I want to see comments on this style of thread

Wut ?

Also, please stop derailing this thread.

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Quote from: Luke-Jr on May 22, 2013, 06:21:15 PM

Quote from: LvM on May 22, 2013, 01:48:08 PM

Each lawyer will tell you:
All these ARBITRARY and UNFORESEEABLE enforced transaction fees are ILLEGAL.

It cannot be down to miners whim, what at all and even HOW MUCH they want to claim.
A claim of fees must at least clearly be declared before a transaction is definitely mandated by users.

Otherwise there is no agreement.
No agreement, no fee.
And no other chicanry like delays or denial of service (seems also applied - illegally).

Miners have the right to choose whom they provide service to or not.

does this have atopic location at all? I want to see comments on this style of thread

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Quote from: ShadowOfHarbringer on June 13, 2013, 02:06:54 AM

Quote from: likl3sfuhjh on June 12, 2013, 09:38:35 PM

How would this work with a sendmany rpc json transaction?

It will work with everything that the mainline client works with.

Well, except paying more fees of course.

Well it dosnt work when i use the debug console. It still is sending the default .0005 fee per 1kb.
Using a sendmany transaction.

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Quote from: likl3sfuhjh on June 12, 2013, 09:38:35 PM

How would this work with a sendmany rpc json transaction?

It will work with everything that the mainline client works with.

Well, except paying more fees of course.

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How would this work with a sendmany rpc json transaction?

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Quote from: starik69 on May 25, 2013, 03:48:56 AM

Quote from: grue on May 24, 2013, 07:00:05 PM

This was built using Gitian with sipa's build script

Can you provide more details? I tryed to compile on a VMWare Ubuntu myself, but got errors Sad

sipa's build script: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/builds/bitcoin-build.sh.txt

1. install: https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder (install dependencies, then "git clone git://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder.git")
2. git clone git://ShadowOfHarbringer/bitcoin-nftf/
3. rename folder "bitcoin-nftf" to "bitcoin-build"
4. follow the instructions to set up the gitian virtual machine
5. place dependencies in the input folder of gitian
5. ./bitcoin-build.sh nftf-v0.8.1

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Quote from: starik69 on May 25, 2013, 03:48:56 AM

Quote from: grue on May 24, 2013, 07:00:05 PM

This was built using Gitian with sipa's build script

Can you provide more details? I tryed to compile on a VMWare Ubuntu myself, but got errors Sad

This fork builds exactly the same way the normal client does. So just follow instructions on building the mainline client.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/build-msw.md

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