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legendary
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actually core nodes were banning non core nodes HOURS before cash nodes even made a block with a different difficulty..
blockchain data shows that bitcoin cash did not even make a block until hours later. because they were banned from the core network

a)  No one gives a flying fuck when BCH mined its first block.  If any forkcoin announces a launch date without changing their network magic, whether their first block has been mined or not, their nodes can and should be disconnected from the BTC network.  If you can't understand the reasoning for that and the risks it would present to the network if it wasn't done, then you clearly aren't technically astute enough to comment.  That, or your overwhelming bias is preventing you from forming a conclusion that's even remotely sensible once again.  It's honestly difficult to tell with you.  Are you a zealot, or just ignorant?  Maybe it's both.  I'm honestly past caring.

b)  Even if people did care about when BCH mined its first block, the amusingly long time it took was primarily due to their non-existant hashrate at launch.  Hence the need to further alter consensus rules with their Emergency Difficulty Adjustment.  That chain would have been dead by the end of the first week if they hadn't altered it.  The end result, whether being disconnected before or after mining their first block would have been the same.  They were the minority chain.  It would never have unfolded any differently, no matter how much you try to blame one dev team for everything.  But by all means keep living in the past at the only point in history where you think your worthless opinions meant anything.  

c)  If you want to change consensus unilaterally with a hardfork, why should you expect to be permitted to remain connected to a network that fundamentally disagrees with you?  Say you went to the cinema with friends (an unlikely scenario given that I doubt you have that many friends, but still) to see a movie, but then you decide that instead you want to watch 8 movies in a row.  Do you think that everyone else has to stick around until a deadline you've arbitrarily chosen to have a vote to see if everyone agrees with seeing 8 movies?  Or is it more likely that the others will simply give you the finger and leave you behind because you're clearly an arsehole for thinking they need to listen to your stupid ideas when they absolutely don't have to (but you do strike me as exactly the kind of person that would try to force them to anyway, given how obscenely obnoxious you are).  Get a clue.  Just because a forkcoin announces a launch date, it doesn't mean I have to wait until that date to disconnect their node.  You don't get to decide that and have a great big "fuck you" if you think you do.
legendary
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1. btc 2018 is not the same rules as bitcoin 2016.. neither is bitcoin cash. hens 2 different directions from the 2016 version. hense why gmax called it a bilateral split. again for emphasis. gmax named it such. not me. again lets get it right. the word bilateral split begun by gmax's utility of the word. it is not a word i invented or started using. the reason i laugh so much is that you want to deny it occuring yet it was the devs that caused it, named it, mandated it.. not me. i simply informed people of the devs actions. if you have an issue of the use of bilateral splits then take that up with those you follow.

Franky1 is a consistent shill and over the top liar who abusively exploits many people's lack of experience with technical matters to make claims which are flat on their face untrue.

1. can bitcoin version0.1.x->0.11.x verify signatures of SEGWIT. - NOPE (thus the 2016-2017 change)
2. bitcoin nodes are suppose to fully verify full block and full transaction data. but it wont
3. will a bitcoin node version 0.1.x->0.11.x store FULL BLOCK DATA of all block information of 2017-2019 - NOPE
4. old nodes are given a stripped version that lacks crucial things to be able to verify a transaction was signed properly
5. can bitcoin version0.1.x->0.11.x relay ALL transaction types of bitcoin - NOPE
because bitcoin <=2016 and bitcoin 2017 => are different

as for trying to say that bitcoin 0.18 is the same as 0.8.x or bitcoin0.1.x ... but then go about explaining that lots of changes are needed to just make 0.1.x work. shows that bitcoin has changed.

saying that the code needs to be changed to work means its not the same thing.
and also you have not been honest about how many likes of code are needed.
its involving using an entirely different database structure. so is not a simple change a variable thing.

an your foolish attempt to hide the changes to bitcoin by saying about 'address formats are just UI based' is you misleading
segwit based addresses are technically at code level and inside blockdata level different than legacy
the way addresses are treated are different. both in how they are verified (using a different txid. different signature methods and even where in a transaction the signature sits within block data

heck bitcoin 2009-2016 had no possible way to make blocks over 1mb.. yet 2017-2019 blocks are over 1mb
so even looking just at the size of blocks shows there are changes done

but good luck with your hiding the facts

anyone can take a look at the raw data(not UI representation) of a legacy tx and rawdata(not UI representation) of a segwit tx and see there is major differences

but hey gmaxwell does not like being called out on his lies so bans his opposition. just like a bilateral fork banning opposition that dont like his and his buddies code ideas

consensus suppose to be where no upgrades can be done unless high majority consent to it
core didnt get high majority so thy banned the opposition to get a fake majority by not counting the opposition

EG
imagine
hilary 50%  trump %50
trump asks for a recount but to only count the trump ballots
suddenly election results show 100% trump

oh and this quote
Bitcoin rejects Bcash blocks (because, among other reasons, the first bcash block warped down the difficulty for their forktime 'instamine') which is what makes it a hardfork,  and Bcash rejects Bitcoin blocks (because they didn't contain the instamine) which makes the hardfork bilateral.
actually core nodes were banning non core nodes HOURS before cash nodes even made a block with a different difficulty..
blockchain data shows that bitcoin cash did not even make a block until hours later. because they were banned from the core network

but atleast thank you for admitting there was a bilateral split AND a hard fork. you deserve another 50 merit for atleast clearing that matter up.. i hope windfury atleast acknowledges that too. (he your number one fan gmax)
(50 merit will be added to gmax in a week after the 30 day waiting period expires)
legendary
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Another Faketoshi popped up lately.

Joerg Molt recently hosted the conference of the SIMS Institute at Symbiosis International University, where he was presented as "co-founder of Bitcoin". His speech turned out to be extremely embarrassing and embarrassing for both the audience and the organizers.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1190829563695321088

Andreas Antonopoulos, known to everyone, was also "soaked" in the Morg case. He was presented with him in a joint photo on Twitter. Antonopoulos claimed that the selfie with "Faketoshi" was crafted and that he did not know a person named Joerg Molt. Moreover, he added that not only shared photography is an obvious lie, but it is also the claim that the German has 250,000 BTC and that he is "Bitcoin co-creator".


https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/1191007637355323392/photo/1


Now back to the main subject because it turns out that Craig Wright may be bankrupt - he is unable to pay the settlement amount of 500,000 BTC from the Kleinman case.


https://twitter.com/alistairmilne/status/1190894527101440000

The Kleinman case has been going on for some time.

According to recent findings, the parties focused on concluding the settlement and extending its implementation until the end of October.

However, as it turned out, this contract was broken by the self-styled creator of Bitcoin. Does that mean that Craig Wright is bankrupt?



https://bithub.pl/wiadomosci/kim-jest-joerg-molt-i-co-ma-wspolnego-z-powstaniem-bitcoina/
https://bithub.pl/wiadomosci/craig-wright-jest-bankrutem-samozwanczy-satoshi-nakamoto-nie-ma-pieniedzy-na-splate-kleinmana/
legendary
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As an OP of this thread I want to ask everybody to stay on the topic and not go too far with BTC - BSV debate or no to post stupid jokes or summaries because from that is only one step to a spam contest.

Continuing the pumpkin man (complete joker) naritive ...

Thanks for sharing this because I haven't seen this video. You can see that this is a well-thought-out strategy to turn the failure of the Pumpkin C.W. into success.

As you can see they are trying to show that it only helped them, and did not hurt, as everyone thought.

This is a completely new strategy because some time ago, he would sue the woman who called him that in public, to the court without a second thought.

I think there is a bunch of advisors who control the C.W. campaign these days.




https://youtu.be/2YpMqB2ePOI?t=178

Maybe not the newest video but sums everything almost half a year ago nothing changed. Maybe only one thing C.W stopped (I think) to file lawsuits against anybody who calls him Faketoshi.

jr. member
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Crazy, insane, mentally ill people become Jokers. Somehow they make it out of their asylums and wreck havok on the city, then Batman has to come out and fix it.

But I don’t see Batman yet. The main thing is that Jokers do not go too far when they will be unstoppable
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
Crazy, insane, mentally ill people become Jokers. Somehow they make it out of their asylums and wreck havok on the city, then Batman has to come out and fix it.

Joker is much much better than Craig Wright. Joker has at least created a body of fans even if he a super villain. Craig Wright on the other hand has not a single fan, only haters. Craig Wright is not joker, but he is a definite joker. And the joke is that he is serious in his jokes. Everyone thinks he is joking when he claims to be the real Satoshi and Bitcoin SV is the real Bitcoin but he is not, he is serious about it. And that is the funnier joke.

Continuing the pumpkin man (complete joker) naritive ...

...snip...

Indeed.

You BSV folks actually believe this guy is Satoshi Nakamoto ... This guy ...  Cheesy

"We did warn you...HE'S HERE! 😱😧🎃

#HappyHalloween #Halloween19 #BSV #BitcoinSV #PumpkinManCraig"


- https://youtu.be/gHo79k6rv3M

- https://twitter.com/RealCoinGeek/status/1189845193933180936

That is scarily pathetic.

CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

Roll Eyes
sr. member
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Crazy, insane, mentally ill people become Jokers. Somehow they make it out of their asylums and wreck havok on the city, then Batman has to come out and fix it.

Joker is much much better than Craig Wright. Joker has at least created a body of fans even if he a super villain. Craig Wright on the other hand has not a single fan, only haters. Craig Wright is not joker, but he is a definite joker. And the joke is that he is serious in his jokes. Everyone thinks he is joking when he claims to be the real Satoshi and Bitcoin SV is the real Bitcoin but he is not, he is serious about it. And that is the funnier joke.
legendary
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I don't understand FakeSatoshi wright, he said he was Satoshi, now he said Satoshi plagiarized his work, I think he is confused about something or he's trying to repair his name, all these are publicity.

I have already explained this during the discussion in this thread, so it will be enough to read the thread before commenting.

Anyways, taking into consideration that the thread is already a couple of pages long and not everybody has so much time to read all of this, here is my quoted answer:

... Satoshi plagiarised his work?...
I think you would have to read my post one more time or watch the video to understand him correctly.

Of course, I don't have any interest in defending C.W. but better to explain this one more time because many people can be confused.

Ok, I am totally confused now.... Faketoshi has all along claimed that he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto and now he is saying Satoshi Nakamoto stole his ideas for Bitcoin...
You have to watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LsDehf2Wgw one more to understand correctly what C.W. said.

C.W. said that he has evidence (again) and this time this is his Thesis which was published on the university in 2008 and will be published publicly after the case.

This Thesis is or contains C.W.'s work on Bitcoin and people now can believe that he is the real Satoshi or that Nakamoto has plagiarised his work (Thesis - Bitcoin).

legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
So good that Bitcoin doesn't need speakers, conferences, promotion and all that.

“That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.” ― George Carlin

Roll Eyes

"Gentlemen... we're history."


"Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K."

...

Bitcoin SV's Craig Wright wins an auction, who wins the BTC BSV debate? Crypto drama in London.
- https://youtu.be/BJdcbuYQXlM *NSFW*

...

"All you boys seemed to have learned is that Caesar is a "salad dressing dude."..."

CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

Grin
AGD
legendary
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So good that Bitcoin doesn't need speakers, conferences, promotion and all that.

“That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.” ― George Carlin

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"Gentlemen... we're history."
legendary
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Crazy, insane, mentally ill people become Jokers. Somehow they make it out of their asylums and wreck havok on the city, then Batman has to come out and fix it.
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I don't understand FakeSatoshi wright, he said he was Satoshi, now he said Satoshi plagiarized his work, I think he is confused about something or he's trying to repair his name, all these are publicity.
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
Well, at least he came up with something new. Claiming that he was Satoshi was getting old. New claims about Satoshi stealing his invention is actually refreshing. at this point.

I do hope your being sarcastic ?

This is an endless Loop for some private blokes - u can decide for yourself what you think bitcoin 'is'

...snip...


CSW #Faketoshi #Fraudtoshi is a Patent Troll, a proven liar and a plagiarist.

- https://twitter.com/lopp/status/1184066737953746947

It's unfortunate to have to link to CoinGeek 'content', however CC Forum is being slow to upload the conference videos. (The link will be replaced if/when CC Forum uploads the video to youtube).

Here is the video of CSW presenting that he plagiarized Satoshi and at the same time effectively admitting that he is in fact not Satoshi ...

- https://youtu.be/oSXk_xFBJPU?t=736

He doesn't even attempt to back track on it, even the interviewer seems surprised and the body language speaks volumes.

Completely moronic.

You cannot enforce patents on open source software.

"UPDATE: I emailed Northumbria University and they confirmed that, contrary to what CSW claimed in his interview two weeks ago, they do NOT have his 2008 dissertation (which according to Craig shares "whole paragraphs" with the Bitcoin whitepaper) on file.

Color me shocked. https://twitter.com/painted_frog/status/1184501513252753411 … "

- https://twitter.com/painted_frog/status/1188146890459746305

Roll Eyes

CSW is not Satoshi and BSV is not Bitcoin.

Prove me wrong ! Still waiting.

What part of any of this do you think is OK or beneficial to this industry ?

The  #faketoshi  fraud  TIMELINE
- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/mylegacykit.html
- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/ponsdeserres.html
- https://seekingsatoshi.weebly.com/jimmy007forsure.html

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Well, at least he came up with something new. Claiming that he was Satoshi was getting old. New claims about Satoshi stealing his invention is actually refreshing. at this point.
legendary
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
So good that Bitcoin doesn't need speakers, conferences, promotion and all that.

“That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.” ― George Carlin

Roll Eyes
legendary
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The more we talk about him he is getting popular, let him die in oblivion if he is a scammer rather than fighting and talking about him, the truth will come out one day but he is getting more acceptance in the general public, i never had a deal with him nor invested in his coin and hence i cannot tell that he scammed me, the fact is no one will believe his claims unless there is solid proof rather than words.

I think that the majority of members here have a similar point of view as quoted above.

I agree with this statement fully and only can repeat that I also never have dealt with C.W. nor invested in his altcoin and because of this just cannot tell that he scammed me, but the fact is, no one will believe his claims unless there is solid proof. PERIOD. Not some Thesis from university or any other bullshit only signed transaction from early Satoshi address or signed transaction from early Satoshi address.

Yes, you are not wrong I repeated twice because it has to be clear that something like to be or not to be a Satoshi Nakomoto, just can't be taken lightly and without best evidence possible.
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But also be careful with your growth estimates, paid shills and fans can look pretty similar.
The more we talk about him he is getting popular, let him die in oblivion if he is a scammer rather than fighting and talking about him, the truth will come out one day but he is getting more acceptance in the general public, i never had a deal with him nor invested in his coin and hence i cannot tell that he scammed me, the fact is no one will believe his claims unless there is solid proof rather than words.
legendary
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...There are something like 4 billion people who use the internet.  If 1% of them are vulnerable to being conned by wright and immune to sanity then he has a total addressable market of 40 million potential victims--- he's a long way from that now...

When I read your words I started to think about this and came to the conclusion that maybe you are right because this looks like the same strategy which is used to win elections. They don't concentrate and waste resources, time to convince opponents, but they do everything to recruit as many people as possible who are indifferent or do not know anything about this or are unsure.

It is much easier to convince someone completely indifferent or not having their own mindset than an opponent to change their opinions. Given how few people know and use cryptocurrencies, we must assume that they know even less and worry about C.W. and his aspirations to be Satoshi. It may be true that these people are the target of the CW campaign and they are to ensure his success when he gets their votes and support.

...be careful with your growth estimates, paid shills and fans can look pretty similar...

I was afraid of this and thought that C.W. will finally do a bounty or other airdrop to convince more people to his altcoin but I don't think this will happen because they don't have the resources needed. He is talking about money and that he doesn't need them but all he does is about money, so I think he is sitting in debts and always struggles with the money problem.

The best proof for this theory are his problems with taxes in the countries where he lived until now and he had to run away to avoid even bigger problems, such as the seizure of property or even arrest. Of course, there is a big possibility that they will or hired already some very influential shills from the crypto community to vouch for C.W. but as for now, I don't see anybody who matters and is trusted in crypto space to be doing this.
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Indeed, the more chances and venues we are giving to this man, the more he will be making small and big mistakes that can show more that he is just another fake and not the real thing.
I don't think that's true. Everyone who was going to be convinced of the truth based on evidence is already convinced.
I am not so sure about this and see a slightly different picture. In my opinion, the fan base of CW keeps growing with every new event or announcement.
I don't think your observation conflicts with my understanding.

There are something like 4 billion people who use the internet.  If 1% of them are vulnerable to being conned by wright and immune to sanity then he has a total addressable market of 40 million potential victims--- he's a long way from that now.

But also be careful with your growth estimates, paid shills and fans can look pretty similar.
legendary
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Indeed, the more chances and venues we are giving to this man, the more he will be making small and big mistakes that can show more that he is just another fake and not the real thing.
I don't think that's true. Everyone who was going to be convinced of the truth based on evidence is already convinced.

I am not so sure about this and see a slightly different picture. In my opinion, the fan base of CW keeps growing with every new event or announcement.

This is enough to look at the latest BSV price and we can clearly see that the price started to grow from the day of the London forum panel, despite the hall crypto market was in red.

All other cryptocurrencies are correlated to the BTC and copy the moves exactly, only BSV and a couple of others (which we can count of one hand fingers) look like BTC is not influencing them so much as other alts.

This is scary and should be not ignored. BSV is looking strong lately and I am sure this is only the beginning.


That's true, plus I believe their trolls must be very convincing if newbies thank those trolls, and liars for "helping" them discover "Bitcoin", https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hes-thankful-he-found-bitcoin-5194581

Where are the Core trolls? Stand up, and memefy. Cool
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