Topic: URGENT: MTGOX creditors need assistance - Looking for Russian Speakers (Read 489 times)
December 09, 2019, 02:10:20 PM
September 25, 2019, 10:17:08 PM
There is strong suspicion it may be a play to get Vinnik extradited to Russia, based on creditor's damages files with Greece.
Like a missing piece of a puzzle, other than a potential money grab or a scam, this one could be the reason why this proposal/firm is still being shilled for more than a day or two since their first announcement.
Here is a coindesk article from yesterday?
https://www.coindesk.com/for-desperate-mt-gox-victims-long-shot-bitcoin-deal-beats-endless-wait
several other law firms were contacted and were not interested in dealing with looking into this matter.
Unfortunately, there is no one in Russia to take lead on this situation.
September 25, 2019, 09:23:07 PM
There is strong suspicion it may be a play to get Vinnik extradited to Russia, based on creditor's damages files with Greece.
Like a missing piece of a puzzle, other than a potential money grab or a scam, this one could be the reason why this proposal/firm is still being shilled for more than a day or two since their first announcement.
September 25, 2019, 09:10:12 PM
deadline passed. About 15,000 bitcoin worth of claims were signed up with the law firm.
There is strong suspicion it may be a play to get Vinnik extradited to Russia, based on creditor's damages files with Greece.
People are watching news related to Vinnik, Vasilev and the btce/wex admin hiding in Siberia.
Trustee will provide some insight on Oct 1st
There is strong suspicion it may be a play to get Vinnik extradited to Russia, based on creditor's damages files with Greece.
People are watching news related to Vinnik, Vasilev and the btce/wex admin hiding in Siberia.
Trustee will provide some insight on Oct 1st
September 14, 2019, 12:16:49 AM
Here is the revised proposal in detail, this is version 2.0, the 1st one was just the engagement agreement
https://www.docdroid.net/cyWpPDT/zp-and-mt-gox-proposal-qa-and-ea-12sep19.pdf
https://www.docdroid.net/cyWpPDT/zp-and-mt-gox-proposal-qa-and-ea-12sep19.pdf
September 13, 2019, 11:58:18 PM
If you are in concurrence that government officials will be bribed to recover the money, I am not sure why you are promoting this law firm...
Hey, if it gets a result then why not?
There is also the issue that if government officials are being bribed to take money from one person to give to you, the money may not actually belong to you, but rather, it could be that it just so happen that the person who the government is taking money from just so happens to have a lot of money.
I do think it appears the OP is promoting the law firm's offer by his activity in this thread.
No offense, but I think your comprehension skills suck. Discussing an event that came up and trying to get more information appears to mean promotion to you. Anyways, I'd hope you have more to contribute than dumb accusations about me
September 13, 2019, 09:03:59 PM
If you are in concurrence that government officials will be bribed to recover the money, I am not sure why you are promoting this law firm...
Hey, if it gets a result then why not?
There is also the issue that if government officials are being bribed to take money from one person to give to you, the money may not actually belong to you, but rather, it could be that it just so happen that the person who the government is taking money from just so happens to have a lot of money.
I do think it appears the OP is promoting the law firm's offer by his activity in this thread.
September 13, 2019, 07:51:48 PM
If you are in concurrence that government officials will be bribed to recover the money, I am not sure why you are promoting this law firm...
Hey, if it gets a result then why not? I'd be amazed if it does but I get the impression that in Russia you need to murder three people and pay off four or five others just to get your hands on a quality roll of toilet paper.
With the amount of money involved, (if it's not a scam, and it probably is) there might not be another way, everyone wants their cut.
September 13, 2019, 02:13:08 PM
If you are in concurrence that government officials will be bribed to recover the money, I am not sure why you are promoting this law firm...
Hey, if it gets a result then why not? I'd be amazed if it does but I get the impression that in Russia you need to murder three people and pay off four or five others just to get your hands on a quality roll of toilet paper.
September 13, 2019, 02:12:20 PM
Russia doesn’t have any real rule of law and there is lots of corruption throughout the government including the court system.
If you have money stolen from you that ended up in Russia, I would consider it lost. The law firm in question may be taking such a hefty fee because they need to pay kickbacks to government officials.
In any case, the amounts being asked for far exceed normal contingency fees charged by western lawyers.
If you have money stolen from you that ended up in Russia, I would consider it lost. The law firm in question may be taking such a hefty fee because they need to pay kickbacks to government officials.
In any case, the amounts being asked for far exceed normal contingency fees charged by western lawyers.
in their released QA, i'll link in a bit they say they would not be bribing anyone and make "guarantees" everything is above the board --- rolls eyes
look at my original post and see if I am promoting them or not. Also, I welcome suggestions about OTHER law firms. I am doing due diligence and personally against the deal and will not be signing on in it's current form
September 13, 2019, 01:59:09 PM
Russia doesn’t have any real rule of law and there is lots of corruption throughout the government including the court system.
If you have money stolen from you that ended up in Russia, I would consider it lost. The law firm in question may be taking such a hefty fee because they need to pay kickbacks to government officials.
In any case, the amounts being asked for far exceed normal contingency fees charged by western lawyers.
If you have money stolen from you that ended up in Russia, I would consider it lost. The law firm in question may be taking such a hefty fee because they need to pay kickbacks to government officials.
In any case, the amounts being asked for far exceed normal contingency fees charged by western lawyers.
in their released QA, i'll link in a bit they say they would not be bribing anyone and make "guarantees" everything is above the board --- rolls eyes
September 13, 2019, 01:40:59 PM
Russia doesn’t have any real rule of law and there is lots of corruption throughout the government including the court system.
If you have money stolen from you that ended up in Russia, I would consider it lost. The law firm in question may be taking such a hefty fee because they need to pay kickbacks to government officials.
In any case, the amounts being asked for far exceed normal contingency fees charged by western lawyers.
If you have money stolen from you that ended up in Russia, I would consider it lost. The law firm in question may be taking such a hefty fee because they need to pay kickbacks to government officials.
In any case, the amounts being asked for far exceed normal contingency fees charged by western lawyers.
in their released QA, i'll link in a bit they say they would not be bribing anyone and make "guarantees" everything is above the board --- rolls eyes
September 13, 2019, 11:28:11 AM
That article certainly fleshes a few things out but the whole thing still reads like something that's EXTREMELY speculative. They're basically saying there might be some money and they might get it but they're not sure who from yet.
If they're aiming for Vinnik's money then surely first he has to land in Russia and other jurisdictions definitely won't want that to happen. And since he's a professional money launderer I assume the money is deeply buried if there's any left. I can't see him neatly parking some BTC in a jar in the kitchen for a rainy day.
September 13, 2019, 11:13:36 AM
Russia doesn’t have any real rule of law and there is lots of corruption throughout the government including the court system.
If you have money stolen from you that ended up in Russia, I would consider it lost. The law firm in question may be taking such a hefty fee because they need to pay kickbacks to government officials.
In any case, the amounts being asked for far exceed normal contingency fees charged by western lawyers.
If you have money stolen from you that ended up in Russia, I would consider it lost. The law firm in question may be taking such a hefty fee because they need to pay kickbacks to government officials.
In any case, the amounts being asked for far exceed normal contingency fees charged by western lawyers.
September 10, 2019, 04:17:31 PM
Someone kindly referred me over to this thread seeking info when I posted a new thread in another section. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mt-gox-updates-and-russian-recovery-situation-5183299
If you find out any more, please let me know.
Right now mtgoxlegal.com and this new russianrecovery.com site are the only two decent places (other than telegram) for discussion and information (You can include reddit r/mtgoxinsolvency if you want to be really generous). MGL is quite divided into camps kind of like you mentioned, and the RR site is pretty new and it's currently unclear what will be revealed there, although their stated intentions are sound good. (But of course I'm skeptical of just about anything related to this after being screwed by Mt. Gox for so many years)
Thanks and I hope to find some real answers too.
If you find out any more, please let me know.
Right now mtgoxlegal.com and this new russianrecovery.com site are the only two decent places (other than telegram) for discussion and information (You can include reddit r/mtgoxinsolvency if you want to be really generous). MGL is quite divided into camps kind of like you mentioned, and the RR site is pretty new and it's currently unclear what will be revealed there, although their stated intentions are sound good. (But of course I'm skeptical of just about anything related to this after being screwed by Mt. Gox for so many years)
Thanks and I hope to find some real answers too.
September 04, 2019, 05:45:54 PM
Is this in any way related to Vasiliev's arrest in Italy? Because aside from Vinnik, he's the only one to have been arrested, no? Others are living happily on money stolen from gox & others/btc-e/wex.
Either way, I'd be extremely suspicious if someone acts as if there's an urgency, that's often the hallmark of a scammer.
Either way, I'd be extremely suspicious if someone acts as if there's an urgency, that's often the hallmark of a scammer.
September 04, 2019, 12:17:57 PM
Some MTGOX creditors were approached by a Russian law firm (ZP Legal zplegal.ru) saying that they are likely able to recover 170,000 to 200,000 btc from criminals in Russia.
Lawyers cannot predict outcomes, even if there is a 'slam dunk' case. Quote
The bankruptcy trustee is aware of this situation and is looking into it, it appears they have been uncooperative with him before.
There is probably a reason for this, if it is true. The trustee is the only entity who is entitled to receive assets from anyone who owes MtGox money. If you hired these lawyers, you would need to pay the entire cost out of your own pocket, and could not agree to allow the lawyer to receive a percentage of the recovered assets, unless you are paying this fee out of your own pocket as well. If the trustee does not want to hire these lawyers, there is really not much you can do.
All of the above does not account for the fact this sounds like a scam.
"their deadline" approaches in a few days. they have agreed to make public statements themselves but have so far not provided anything
If there is money to be recovered, there is no reason you need to use a specific lawyer. Any lawyer who is authorized to practice law can represent you (or the MtGox creditors) in the particular jurisdiction the case would need to be filed.
I am also unsure if the lawyers would even be able to represent the creditors at all without the consent of the trustee, even if a third party is paying them separately. Thinking about this more, I don’t think this is possible
their whole angle is that Russian courts/law are so unique that only some lawyers are able to get things done *wink wink*
you presented logical statements, that I personally agree with however, if there IS money to be recovered understanding the actual situation would be a good start
the trustee has been aware of this for a while, and he has made no public statement yet.
September 04, 2019, 11:31:18 AM
Some MTGOX creditors were approached by a Russian law firm (ZP Legal zplegal.ru) saying that they are likely able to recover 170,000 to 200,000 btc from criminals in Russia.
Lawyers cannot predict outcomes, even if there is a 'slam dunk' case. Quote
The bankruptcy trustee is aware of this situation and is looking into it, it appears they have been uncooperative with him before.
There is probably a reason for this, if it is true. The trustee is the only entity who is entitled to receive assets from anyone who owes MtGox money. If you hired these lawyers, you would need to pay the entire cost out of your own pocket, and could not agree to allow the lawyer to receive a percentage of the recovered assets, unless you are paying this fee out of your own pocket as well. If the trustee does not want to hire these lawyers, there is really not much you can do.
All of the above does not account for the fact this sounds like a scam.
"their deadline" approaches in a few days. they have agreed to make public statements themselves but have so far not provided anything
If there is money to be recovered, there is no reason you need to use a specific lawyer. Any lawyer who is authorized to practice law can represent you (or the MtGox creditors) in the particular jurisdiction the case would need to be filed.
I am also unsure if the lawyers would even be able to represent the creditors at all without the consent of the trustee, even if a third party is paying them separately. Thinking about this more, I don’t think this is possible
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