Topic: URGENT: MTGOX creditors need assistance - Looking for Russian Speakers - page 2. (Read 489 times)

"their deadline" approaches in a few days. they have agreed to make public statements themselves but have so far not provided anything

Lawyers cannot predict outcomes, even if there is a 'slam dunk' case.


There is probably a reason for this, if it is true.

The trustee is the only entity who is entitled to receive assets from anyone who owes MtGox money. If you hired these lawyers, you would need to pay the entire cost out of your own pocket, and could not agree to allow the lawyer to receive a percentage of the recovered assets, unless you are paying this fee out of your own pocket as well. If the trustee does not want to hire these lawyers, there is really not much you can do.

All of the above does not account for the fact this sounds like a scam.

Thanks, while your view is shared by many, we'd also love to be able to understand the situation a bit better. Do you have contacts in Russia that may be able to share their thoughts as well? Mind asking them?

My second home is in Holland. I travel to Russia about a hundred times a year for business. I even invested in a small mining farm there.
I know the level of shittery that goes on in there.
But this is absolute fishy. Most probably a scam or a long con where these so called legit law firm would run away with someone's money in the end.
I'll bet my ass on it!

This is true.

They are seeking mtgox creditors to give them the rights to pursue the bitcoin on their behalf. They are saying they are going to be working with law enforcement/courts? who knows. No additional useful information has been provided. This is Russia after all so we can't discredit the amount of fuckery possible.

Unless they're going through law enforcement or the Mt Gox creditor I don't see how it can have any legitimacy.

Vinnik is still buried in extradition stuff. BTC-e is dust. If Vinnik, or anyone else, does have any coins they will be handled by whatever court they're convicted by, not predatory lawyers who turn up out of nowhere on the internet.

Thanks for your point of view, half the people share this view, the other half share the view that they can get back something and that's all they are focusing on.
This stash could be tied to Vinnik, btce, associates, it's currently unknown who they are planning to go after, or how directly the bitcoin is tied to the hack
They are working on contingency, meaning if they don't recover, they don't get paid (from what I am understanding). However, there are other risks, like signing documents and handing over all personal info, besides giving away a majority of whatever may be recovered. So far a lot of speculation - they have yet to release an official statement publicly, only using intermediaries so far.

The law firm is legit from what we can tell. They have been around several years. Lawyers there have semi public profiles.
We are limited with our Russian, we are also not currently aware of their client list.
They are not asking anything upfront they are asking to be compensated based on recovery at their posted rates.
It's real, the situation is not fully being explained and people are jumping at it because "something is better" than nothing.
I'm assisting with getting more due diligence done.

Absolute bullshit.

There has been no mention of this from legitimate sources and absolutely no mention of any coins other than the ones dug out by Mark Karpeles.

And how does a bunch of scum lawyers recover coins with no mention of Russian law enforcement? Some criminals felt bad so they get in touch and handed over their money? That must be the first time it's happened in the history of this solar system.

This 'law firm' is trying to con people.

And are you sure that this law firm you speak of is legit?
This sounds like a con job in itself. Big lawfirms do not demand money in advance. Only after they have recovered your money. On top of that, they would not even take up a case if they think it is not winnable.
I suggest you make investigations on whether this lawfirm that approached you is real or a phony group of guys looking to take you for a ride.

Hi,

the zombie of MTGOX is not dead yet.
I am posting here to get this topic more exposure.
It is cross posted in the Russian Section under Legal - which doesn't get that many views. i'm not sure if i can ask them to move it to a different section over there.

Some MTGOX creditors were approached by a Russian law firm (ZP Legal zplegal.ru) saying that they are likely able to recover 170,000 to 200,000 btc from criminals in Russia.
They are not specific if these coins were directly the ones stolen from mtgox over the years or if these criminals are going to be paying out of pocket.
details are scarce, they are keeping information secret on purpose. they are asking creditors to sign over their rights under UK contract law since contingency fees are a grey area in Russia.

Currently they are demanding about 50% + $320/hour for their work. (their previous offer cost even more).
They are making claims that only they can recover and creditors would be unable to use other law firms because records of this case will be sealed.
The bankruptcy trustee is aware of this situation and is looking into it, it appears they have been uncooperative with him before.
As it stands, no one really knows anything, so ALL assistance is greatly appreciated.
It is uncertain what this has to do with Vinnik, or what criminals are involved. If you are familiar with the law firm zplegal.ru (who made this offer to creditors) or can assist with the confusing Russian criminal system please comment or reach out privately.
There is a "deadline" for claims through the law firm coming up and people are already sending their documents over to them and singing contracts.
a few more details in the post over in the Russian section:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mtgox-please-5179121