Topic: US ‘kidnaps’ Russian MP’s son to ‘exchange him for Snowden’ (Read 2099 times)

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US ‘kidnaps’ Russian MP’s son to ‘exchange him for Snowden’
http://rt.com/news/171188-russian-hacker-kidnapped-america/

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The US “kidnapped” the son of a Russian MP, possibly to exchange him for Edward Snowden, the father charged. The man was indicted with computer-related crimes by a Washington DC court and snatched from the Maldives.

Roman Seleznyov was detained on Saturday at Male international airport as he was returning to Russia, the Russian foreign ministry said on Tuesday in a statement. He was forced by agents of the US Secret Service to board a private plane to Guam to be later arrested, a move which the ministry called “a de-facto kidnapping.”

Man the Americans think up the weirdest stuff I'll kidnap this guy and ask for a ransom
What ever happened to we don't deal with terrorists but we will use their playbook when it is convenient to us.

I call BS on this story. This is something that the likes of CNN would have reported on by now if it was true.

LOL CNN. Seriously? People like you still exist?

CNN may have political spin to their stories, but they have a lot of resources to be able to break news, and have a reputation to maintain so they will not report something that is outright false.

This is absolutely laughable. Turn your TV off, your brain is leaking out of your ears. You have had enough.

Do you care to elaborate? The press in eastern europe and in russia is far from free and is controlled/influenced by the governments there, on the other hand the press in the US does not answer to the government in any way.

I didn't say change the channel to RT TV, I said turn your TV off before what is left of your brain is turned to complete mush.

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Do you care to elaborate? The press in eastern europe and in russia is far from free and is controlled/influenced by the governments there, on the other hand the press in the US does not answer to the government in any way.

Do you really believe what you are writing? I've read articles in the Russian press, criticising the government to a degree that would not have managed to slip through the censorship in the West.

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US ‘kidnaps’ Russian MP’s son to ‘exchange him for Snowden’
http://rt.com/news/171188-russian-hacker-kidnapped-america/

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The US “kidnapped” the son of a Russian MP, possibly to exchange him for Edward Snowden, the father charged. The man was indicted with computer-related crimes by a Washington DC court and snatched from the Maldives.

Roman Seleznyov was detained on Saturday at Male international airport as he was returning to Russia, the Russian foreign ministry said on Tuesday in a statement. He was forced by agents of the US Secret Service to board a private plane to Guam to be later arrested, a move which the ministry called “a de-facto kidnapping.”

Man the Americans think up the weirdest stuff I'll kidnap this guy and ask for a ransom
What ever happened to we don't deal with terrorists but we will use their playbook when it is convenient to us.

I call BS on this story. This is something that the likes of CNN would have reported on by now if it was true.

LOL CNN. Seriously? People like you still exist?

CNN may have political spin to their stories, but they have a lot of resources to be able to break news, and have a reputation to maintain so they will not report something that is outright false.

This is absolutely laughable. Turn your TV off, your brain is leaking out of your ears. You have had enough.

Do you care to elaborate? The press in eastern europe and in russia is far from free and is controlled/influenced by the governments there, on the other hand the press in the US does not answer to the government in any way.

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This is the sort of thing you'd expect to read in a fictional book such as 1984 but America has really become a real life police state,
The govt spies on it's people, strips away the constitution, up arms their police to deal with rebellions, shoots their own citizens...

Exactly, and that is the reason i want to keep away from them as much as possible. Maybe most of the people will still say "long live the king" but sorry i'm rather here in much worse economy than in that gov where i can't even fart without them knowing.

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To add to that, many times when you see CNN and their ilk report news from Russia, if you look closely, you'll notice that they reference RIA Novosti, Interfax or ITAR-TASS, while often altering the angle of the news item ever so slightly to match the corporate guidelines.

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Quote from: InwardContour on July 12, 2014, 04:36:06 PM

US ‘kidnaps’ Russian MP’s son to ‘exchange him for Snowden’
http://rt.com/news/171188-russian-hacker-kidnapped-america/

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The US “kidnapped” the son of a Russian MP, possibly to exchange him for Edward Snowden, the father charged. The man was indicted with computer-related crimes by a Washington DC court and snatched from the Maldives.

Roman Seleznyov was detained on Saturday at Male international airport as he was returning to Russia, the Russian foreign ministry said on Tuesday in a statement. He was forced by agents of the US Secret Service to board a private plane to Guam to be later arrested, a move which the ministry called “a de-facto kidnapping.”

Man the Americans think up the weirdest stuff I'll kidnap this guy and ask for a ransom
What ever happened to we don't deal with terrorists but we will use their playbook when it is convenient to us.

I call BS on this story. This is something that the likes of CNN would have reported on by now if it was true.

LOL CNN. Seriously? People like you still exist?

CNN may have political spin to their stories, but they have a lot of resources to be able to break news, and have a reputation to maintain so they will not report something that is outright false.

This is absolutely laughable. Turn your TV off, your brain is leaking out of your ears. You have had enough.

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Anyone can edit/make a wikipedia article.

Your source that is in russian only says that he was captured, but does not mention Snowden once in the article/release.

Reference to Snowden came from the father of the arrested man. It was his personal assumption, if you cared to actually read the articles.

As for Interfax: Go to the source.
http://www.group.interfax.ru/txt.asp?txt=about_group_txt

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In 1989 it became the first non-government independent news agency in USSR.

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I'd urge the US to be careful with this since identity theft is the easiest crime to frame someone with. What may look like a criminal could be a victim of identity theft themselves, but a far deeper reaching form of identity theft.

Cyber crime framing is a tactic used by hackers to lead law enforcement to a innocent person in order to cover their tracks.

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How accurate is the news? You have another source?

http://www.rferl.org/content/us-homeland-security-hacking-seleznyov-russia-arrest/25449250.html

On the other hand:
http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=519051

So no, presumably it's just information wars, until further notice.

These sources are not what I would consider to be credible.

If something like this really had happened, or if there was a credible lead on something like this happening, it would likely be all of the MSM

Interfax is a reliable source. Anyway, it's confirmed from Psaki side of the ocean.

I have never heard of interfax outside of this thread. Do you have any other sources that would back up that Interfax is a reliable source.

Interfax has existed for many years. Their counterpart in the Western world is Associated Press.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfax

Now, as for a reliable source of information, would you consider Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russian Federation to be reliable enough [sarcasm].

Here is the statement from the source:
http://www.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline/0E0E558E4313660B44257D12004BB8F3

Anyone can edit/make a wikipedia article.

Your source that is in russian only says that he was captured, but does not mention Snowden once in the article/release.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 10, 2014, 03:07:28 AM

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How accurate is the news? You have another source?

http://www.rferl.org/content/us-homeland-security-hacking-seleznyov-russia-arrest/25449250.html

On the other hand:
http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=519051

So no, presumably it's just information wars, until further notice.

These sources are not what I would consider to be credible.

If something like this really had happened, or if there was a credible lead on something like this happening, it would likely be all of the MSM

Interfax is a reliable source. Anyway, it's confirmed from Psaki side of the ocean.

I have never heard of interfax outside of this thread. Do you have any other sources that would back up that Interfax is a reliable source.

Interfax has existed for many years. Their counterpart in the Western world is Associated Press.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfax

Now, as for a reliable source of information, would you consider Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russian Federation to be reliable enough [sarcasm].

Here is the statement from the source:
http://www.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline/0E0E558E4313660B44257D12004BB8F3

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It is interesting if this is true, its about time something is done to acquire that little piece of trash Snowden. I doubt the exchange is even needed to apprehend him, but a prisoner exchange makes saving face easier when you can swap criminals. So then when Russian PO's pick him, they won't be nice about it and tool up Snowden pretty good before shipping him to the USA for his trial, so the little bastard can rot in prison forever, with other traitors like Tranny Manning...

So I guess you like being spied on and lied to about it? You may want to really look into
Stockholm syndrome.. I say this because you express no aggression in your rant towards the feds who have commuted crimes far worse then Manning or Snowden. Not sure why some people refuse to ignore the big picture.

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US ‘kidnaps’ Russian MP’s son to ‘exchange him for Snowden’
http://rt.com/news/171188-russian-hacker-kidnapped-america/

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The US “kidnapped” the son of a Russian MP, possibly to exchange him for Edward Snowden, the father charged. The man was indicted with computer-related crimes by a Washington DC court and snatched from the Maldives.

Roman Seleznyov was detained on Saturday at Male international airport as he was returning to Russia, the Russian foreign ministry said on Tuesday in a statement. He was forced by agents of the US Secret Service to board a private plane to Guam to be later arrested, a move which the ministry called “a de-facto kidnapping.”

Man the Americans think up the weirdest stuff I'll kidnap this guy and ask for a ransom
What ever happened to we don't deal with terrorists but we will use their playbook when it is convenient to us.

I call BS on this story. This is something that the likes of CNN would have reported on by now if it was true.

LOL CNN. Seriously? People like you still exist?

CNN may have political spin to their stories, but they have a lot of resources to be able to break news, and have a reputation to maintain so they will not report something that is outright false.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 10, 2014, 03:07:28 AM

US ‘kidnaps’ Russian MP’s son to ‘exchange him for Snowden’
http://rt.com/news/171188-russian-hacker-kidnapped-america/

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The US “kidnapped” the son of a Russian MP, possibly to exchange him for Edward Snowden, the father charged. The man was indicted with computer-related crimes by a Washington DC court and snatched from the Maldives.

Roman Seleznyov was detained on Saturday at Male international airport as he was returning to Russia, the Russian foreign ministry said on Tuesday in a statement. He was forced by agents of the US Secret Service to board a private plane to Guam to be later arrested, a move which the ministry called “a de-facto kidnapping.”

Man the Americans think up the weirdest stuff I'll kidnap this guy and ask for a ransom
What ever happened to we don't deal with terrorists but we will use their playbook when it is convenient to us.

I call BS on this story. This is something that the likes of CNN would have reported on by now if it was true.

LOL CNN. Seriously? People like you still exist?

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Quote from: DannyElfman on July 09, 2014, 10:20:56 PM

Quote from: freedomno1 on July 10, 2014, 03:25:56 AM

How accurate is the news? You have another source?

http://www.rferl.org/content/us-homeland-security-hacking-seleznyov-russia-arrest/25449250.html

On the other hand:
http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=519051

So no, presumably it's just information wars, until further notice.

These sources are not what I would consider to be credible.

If something like this really had happened, or if there was a credible lead on something like this happening, it would likely be all of the MSM

Interfax is a reliable source. Anyway, it's confirmed from Psaki side of the ocean.

I have never heard of interfax outside of this thread. Do you have any other sources that would back up that Interfax is a reliable source.

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Quote from: Balthazar on July 09, 2014, 02:26:31 AM

US ‘kidnaps’ Russian MP’s son to ‘exchange him for Snowden’
http://rt.com/news/171188-russian-hacker-kidnapped-america/

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The US “kidnapped” the son of a Russian MP, possibly to exchange him for Edward Snowden, the father charged. The man was indicted with computer-related crimes by a Washington DC court and snatched from the Maldives.

Roman Seleznyov was detained on Saturday at Male international airport as he was returning to Russia, the Russian foreign ministry said on Tuesday in a statement. He was forced by agents of the US Secret Service to board a private plane to Guam to be later arrested, a move which the ministry called “a de-facto kidnapping.”

Man the Americans think up the weirdest stuff I'll kidnap this guy and ask for a ransom
What ever happened to we don't deal with terrorists but we will use their playbook when it is convenient to us.

I call BS on this story. This is something that the likes of CNN would have reported on by now if it was true.

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Russia’s Foreign Ministry urges US ‘to stop harassing kidnapped Russian MP’s son’
http://rt.com/news/172216-seleznyov-us-stop-bullying/

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The Russian Foreign Ministry is urging the US to stop harassing Russian MP’s son, Roman Seleznyov, who is now being held in Guam on cyber-fraud charges, and calls for the “observance of his rights,” including the “right to medical care.”

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"We continue to demand Washington to immediately release Roman Seleznyov, who was forcibly flown out the Republic of Maldives to the US island of Guam on July 5,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement on Friday.

One of the biggest concerns raised by the ministry is the lack of medical attention for Seleznyov.

“Roman Seleznyov was seriously injured in a terrorist attack in 2011 [in Marrakech, Morocco],” and he is being denied necessary medicine. “As a result his health and even his life are in danger.”

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 09, 2014, 01:46:20 AM

State department calls it not a kidnapping, but legal arrest, according to already ignominious Psaki:
http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1823363.html

Looks like it's time to find a couple of kilograms of heroin in the car owned by son of U.S. Ambassador.

I don't know for sure, but if my guess is right, diplomatic immunity should be applicable to family members as well. So, if the Russian police finds a couple of kilograms of heroin in the car of the U.S. Ambassador's son, the maximum penalty that will be incurred on him is expulsion in 24 hours.

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Quote from: DannyElfman on July 09, 2014, 10:20:56 PM

US ‘kidnaps’ Russian MP’s son to ‘exchange him for Snowden’
http://rt.com/news/171188-russian-hacker-kidnapped-america/

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The US “kidnapped” the son of a Russian MP, possibly to exchange him for Edward Snowden, the father charged. The man was indicted with computer-related crimes by a Washington DC court and snatched from the Maldives.

Roman Seleznyov was detained on Saturday at Male international airport as he was returning to Russia, the Russian foreign ministry said on Tuesday in a statement. He was forced by agents of the US Secret Service to board a private plane to Guam to be later arrested, a move which the ministry called “a de-facto kidnapping.”

Man the Americans think up the weirdest stuff I'll kidnap this guy and ask for a ransom
What ever happened to we don't deal with terrorists but we will use their playbook when it is convenient to us.

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