Topic: U.S President Trump: Google ‘rigged’ search results, ‘illegal’ censorship. - page 2. (Read 1856 times)

Google and facebook are data sluts. They suck up all our personal information. So - I don't trust them.

I also don't trust any research that is being touted by Trump. He is the type of person who will make up stuff and misuse info for his own agenda and has been caught doing so numerous times.

Research is only reliable if people have been able to check it over. Anyone can finance a study to say anything.
http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/

I'm not sure what the obsession is with Clinton but it is no longer a campaign trail. Trump is the serving President . Clinton is not even a federal employee.





No exciting results here.

That's pretty funny.

I start out and say "Don't Trust Google" and you are saying "Don't trust people who tell you ... you shouldn't trust google..."

I just tried the auto complete test again.

Hillary cri = NOT ONE of ten about crimes
Trump cri = SIX of ten about crime

Really that's pretty simple, isn't it?

Doing exactly the same thing with Duck-Duck-go, both Trump and Hillary show four of eight responses with the phrase "crime."

I realize that but even using a VPN could be affecting the results.

1) A lot of VPN providers are known.

2) VPN IPs are often shared and may skew the results.

https://privacy.google.com/your-data.html
What data is collected:

Things you search for
Websites you visit
Videos you watch
Ads you click on or tap
Your location
Device information
IP address and cookie data

(Your location is also revealed through your system time, OS language and OS version.)

Based on your google account:
Name
Email address and password
Birthday
Gender
Phone number
Country

Device information
Potentially they can collect:
User-Agent, Architecture, OS Language, System Time, Screen Resolution.
https://browserleaks.com/

What about analytics on the pages they visit ? A lot of websites use Javascript to tract for google analytics. This information is likely to be fed back to your google user profiles. https://developers.google.com/analytics/resources/concepts/gaConceptsTrackingOverview

Without knowing their exact methodology and having other researchers check it - I would be skeptical to accept it on face value.

The reason so many people use google is because it gives them the information that they want to see. This is both handy and dangerous.

The reason people use bing is because it is bundled as malware with some software distributions.

The other mentioned search engines are just not in the same league as google. I sometimes check them "just in case" they have indexed something not available on google.

Even using a clean computer can potentially skew the data - because how many people would use a clean computer to search stuff ?

https://privacy.net/analyzer/

Try the Canvas Fingerprinting


EDIT:

I did a totally unscientific test. Didn't clear cookies. (I dislike Trump).

I searched:

Trump
Obama
and Hillary Clinton

The I let auto predict provide the suggestions.

Starting with a to z

Obama a, Obama b, Obama c...

The only abusive suggestion was Obama j = Obama Jackass

The other suggestions were all relevant.

However I did find this:


https://www.etsy.com/shop/spacedoutdesigns?ref=l2-shop-header-avatar

Then I searched:
Obama is a
Trump is a
Clinton is a







The results contradict the covfefe.

People that have studied this use scientific methods.

Example, for each search, use a clean computer cleared of cookies and a VPN.

I think it is just "alternative facts".

It is well known that google search results depend on your previous search results.

Different people can search google and get a different set of results.



https://microarts.com/insights/why-googles-search-results-vary-from-person-to-person/

Even in Kansas or Kentucky they would still be employing educated people in urban areas, which would likely sway left. Google already has offices in TX, GA, NC, PA - states that Trump won.


Citizens United would probably disagree.

These companies reside in far left areas and employ there. Resulting in perhaps 100,000 people of a homogeneous far left mentality employed in filtering content for an America that is very, very diverse and which does NOT want their snowflake politics attitude or decision making.

Effectively these companies were and are pushing a far left political agenda. If I was Google I'd relocate some of the jobs to Kansas and Kentucky, before I was forced to.

Medium term I believe Google is replaceable by peer to peer search engine algorithms.

Meantime they can't be allowed to tilt elections in the USA.

Even with Trump coming out and saying stuff like this, I don't think there is going to be any regulation when it comes to the search engines -- I think they have the money to lobby the government (at least Congress) into looking the other way while they push forward with their crazy monopoly over the internet.

I know a good amount of people are going to use the 'it's a private company, they can do WHATEVER they want'

Well look at these links and fines and see if that's really acceptable

https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17580694/google-android-eu-fine-antitrust

https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/27/google-fined-e2-42bn-for-eu-antitrust-violations-over-shopping-searches/

https://www.politico.eu/pro/russian-antitrust-regulator-rules-against-google-report/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/aug/13/oracle-sues-google-over-android-os and https://www.politico.eu/article/politico-pros-morning-tech-tsm-deal-uber-arrests-anti-google-campaign-software-bundling/

While I'm not usually the one calling for regulation, I do think we're reaching monopoly scale here with Google.....

The sooner these evils are all replaced with peer to peer blockchain derivatives the better off we will all be.

Google is in bed with the bad government to control your lives        all to suck your monies out your pockets to feed the Clintons and the likes plus themselves ..
If we google keep the political bums happy we will pay less tax get the government contracts this is how these greedy humans thinks..

To MR TRUMPS  set your own political site up were people can speak BUT put an 18 years old warning on it    then we are all adults and can say what we likes..
EVEN bitcointalk  is becoming a government lick ass ..

Maybe it took them a couple of years to get fully corrupt.

But they are now.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/08/01/google-accused-chilling-complicity-china-plans-launch-censored/

U.S President is the leader of the free world.

Actually Google (and Google nearly alone) 'took a stand' against China and their social engineering prerogatives back about 8 years ago IIRC.  They pitched a bitch when they discovered a certain form of hacking and bailed out of the country closing some offices in the process.  That's the way I remember it, and I don't remember it being secret info.  None of the other biggies (Facefuck, Microsuck, etc) had the guts to do this.

As the years drift by I'm more and more inclined to see Google as straight-up evil and question the 'valiant' things they do/did.  What was the effect of Google bailing?  In fact domestic providers picked up the slack and took social engineering to a new level with 'social credit scores' and what-not.

At this point in time I don't see any reason to doubt that Google would be ga-ga about the idea of social credit scores and chomping at the bit to deploy a solution which involved them on the American people.  Could it be the case that even way back in 2010 Google and China agreed to 'fight' in order to use the Chinese society as a development platform?  Google would have faced a multitude of problems doing so to the American people due to differences in our respective governments and due to the American people having a different sense of right and wrong.  Was Google management as slimy and anti-American 8 years ago as they have been over the last few years?  I personally do not know, but it's a valid question.

Understood. But verifying and confirming the operation of an algorithm knows no political approach.

And we KNOW Google kowtows to all sorts of political influences. Such as their operation in China....

Related. I read when looking into this subject, that if you type into Google "I want to kill myself," that one of the standard responses is a line to a suicide hotline. That's likely an unqualified social good. I'm sure there are other cases like that....

Sounds like a plan. I may disagree on how this "evil" manifests itself but I can agree on not trusting giant corporations.

There are many other examples besides Epstein's work, but may I suggest a reasonable approach to this whole issue?

It would be to not believe a single word Google, Youtube, Facebook or Twitter says about their "Unbias," and simply assume they are totally evil in their intentions, until and if proven otherwise by examination of the algorithms.

This is what we do with crypto.

You can't go wrong with this approach.

The only somewhat credible example in that article was "Donald Trump is dead" although it's not exactly negative in the same sense as "crime" or "lie" or "putin's puppet" - which is a real autocomplete from Bing BTW. I tried "Donald Trump is dead" and I got a snopes fact-check (spoiler alert: Trump is not really dead).

The rest of it was comparing Google to Bing/Yahoo even though Google clearly stated that they filter off negative autocompletes so of course Bing/Yahoo will show more garbage.

But thanks for some good laughs. I recommend trying Bing with:

chuck schumer is
paul ryan is
betsy devos is
nancy pelosi is

Or, is there even the remote possibility that the overwhelming majority of copy generated about President Trump is simply negative? You can't draw blood from a stone. The media does not like the POTUS; and 'liberal' (read - anti Trump) media is much more ubiquitous than the quasi conservative echo chambers. So, when you roll the Google dice re:Trump, you are most likely to hit shit, as this is the majority of the content available.

I say quasi conservative cuz this thing that Trump and his followers are doing is SO far from conservatism. I miss traditional, small gov, fiscally responsible conservatism. It's gone the way of the dodo as of late.

Props to the moderator here. I remember this sub being the Wild West  Missed all you guys!

There's apparently a rule at Google that they try to not show negative results about a person when that is a search for the person by name.

It's pretty much certain they followed this rule / are following this rule with Hillary but not with Trump.

It's not "just how it works." It's intentional manipulation by the Google staff. It may not be company policy, entirely possible it's just the sort of people they get from the local community.

trump = defend free speech and try to avoid the necessary killing
obama = create splinter cia cell to destroy and erase all opposition to his ambitions... by destroying the first amendement (to get the second, 3,4,5,etc) until they get run pedo mcmansion us wide with epstein and weinstein as ceos.

they must hate trump because the only way to buy him is to offer him AGA, aka, American Great Again, but those traitors want exactly the opposite.

they hate him sooooo much... they have nothing to bribe him, and threats are quite difficult to foment against a potus... but since there is a splinter cell at the cia, extreme caution and annihilation death squad should be roving above the traitors mansion and cleaning the kill list fast... there is not much time (or maybe I am just to cautionnary).

ps it's a full on war.