Topic: US Tariff Ruling N297495 = 2.6% mandatory tariff on bitcoin mining hardware - page 9. (Read 26790 times)

Sorry was looking for list for HTSUS codes for products outside of the units. Like RiPi's, psu's, pdu's. Essentially a comprehensive list of codes for us to run though with our outsourced help. Since we can apply for exemption for each product it would be best to do them all together.  

If you are getting retroactive duty charges for prior purchases contact us through the website if you want some help.

Just note every assembled mining unit should be under the 8543709960 HTS ruling linked here.

36600268 for S9s that entered on 11/18/17.

847150409 is the HS code Inno used to import my T2T

Was able to sit on the call since we'll be soliciting support from the community here. A short list of needs as exemption will apply for us all.

HTS codes for all products being imported from china we wish to file for exemption, we can submit our own ruling if one is not specific enough. Once we have all HTSUS codes we'll move with exemption(s).

Essentially the argument is that the US doesn't offer our products and manufacturers in the US aren't infringed upon if exemption is granted. Consumers and business will only suffer from the added tariff, all things we know.

Our contact is a mentor of one of our team members and so we'll hold off on donations. They'll contact their DC connections once we have all the code/rulings and then we'll push exemptions were it will be beneficial to our businesses and consumers. They would like all HTS codes for the products we source, others sell, and consumers buy whether directly for indirectly.

Feel free to post codes here, or DM me for products known. We'll gather a comprehensive list to deliver and begin work. It looks good with domestic manufacturers are on our side so for GS and Obelisk we'll be reaching out to them for support. If there are other asic mining manufacturers I'm not aware of domestically let me know as well.

Our deadline is 12/18/18 to file.

Yes attorneys that are specialized in CBP matters.  The more the better.

Because ASIC's as a general family do far more than just mining - I would assume yes. We are talking things like Digital Signal Processors, network switch fabric chips, usb to serial converters, digital watch/clock and calculator chips, mp3 players, etc. Any circuit or collection of circuits that serves only 1 function can be put into an ASIC. However they would be a pretty big node size and the Chinese Foundries are incapable of making anything competitive even with 28nm mining ASIC's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants

That list mentions GloFo planning a plant in China but no mention of what node size it would produce. IMHO it would again be for high node size chips that need to be rock-bottom price for consumer electronics. No way in hell would Global Foundries build a bleeding-edge foundry there. No matter what, safe bet that at least for now the new Tariffs put brakes on that plan.

Are there any known asic chips manufactured/produced in China?

Is BF applying for exemption as well? Should cover market wide for assembled hardware. Wonder how it's viewed with multiple requests for exemption. Your using lawyers for customs work? Not brokers?

Substantial completion of the board is china, that is what matters.  We have the same attorneys as another chip manufacturer that ships to china for processing and testing.  Will be sorted out soon enough.

Yea, sorry I'm not familiar with manufacturing of components. Marketing yes, customs no. Conference call tomorrow with a local and national pro in the import export world. If we don't have to worry about chips that will be less to work though with them but maybe more on our back end to recover funds for chip buyers pending discussions tomorrow. I would assume that country of origin matters quite a bit, but i'll pass along after this post ensure this is asked. Notably it will help players in our world country like sidehack and other resellers. Of course mfb as well and importantly all buyers who can facilitate their own orders.   

Hmm, the "specifically ASIC chips" is a questionable area as China has NO advanced Foundries capable of producing 16nm and under chips. TSMC is Taiwanese-owned company and all of their advanced foundries are located in Taiwan. If you want to do business with TSMC don't even suggest to them as a joke that they (Taiwan) are part of China....

True Bitmain, Canaan, and others contracted TSMC to make their chips but technically the chips are not Made In China.

The added tariffs were signed on 8/23 any orders before that are only subject to the 2.6% duty.

We're gearing up to put a lot of resource into exemption of the 25% additional duty for hardware and specifically asic chips. If other interested parties wish to donate specifically to these efforts I'll have an address in my signature once the company passes it to me. 

Well I am in your boat.  My saving  grace is I was charged more then a few times for my shipments.

So I don’t think I will owe thousands of dollars for 2015 to 2018.

I also think my two demo new gen items which were about 3600 and are under the wire for the 25%

I think I owe 200 to 500 usd.

In my experience with DHL and FedEx for imports, not even related to miners, they will often pay the fees up front to comply with Customs to not delay delivery and then they'll send you an invoice later. I've received bills from them almost a year after shipment and if you don't pay they say they will stop shipping to you until you do.

I had a few orders from Bitmain in past 6 months. One I shipped through UPS required me to pay duties before they would deliver to me. Others went through DHL with no duties. I am expecting to eventually receive surprise invoices from DHL.

25% is confirmed, our customs guy is apparently pretty busy here working on exemption, which will apply for us all for at least a year.

Good to know.  I'm not big enough to order from them directly... sometimes close, but never quite there.  Thanks for the heads up!

I think there is a 10% temporary tariff on some items and it goes up to 25% in January. But miners as mentioned by minefarmbuy are quite certainly at 25% as of now.

Unfortunately we have confirmed 25%. So 27.6% total duties as mentioned earlier in the thread holds up in relation to the ruling discussed here. We have a meeting later this week to pursue action before deadlines.

Hmm, looking at the MIC Tariff list https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/301/2018-0026%20China%20FRN%207-10-2018_0.pdf I've seen mention of two different tariff amounts: Most items are the 25% BUT later on more were added at only a 10% tariff. Which will miners fall under?

As a side note, it looks like virtually all computers imported into the US will be hit with the tariff. Data processing equipment starts on page 186 of the linked pdf starting at subheading 8470.10.00 Betcha phones fit in there as well.

Canaan requested KYC information as well. If you did order from them you'd know that.

Would be happy to continue to share insights that come across on what we find or are working on regarding relief and exemption but the transparency here is wearing thin and I have no patience for terribly orchestrated marketing.

Then the whole fear mongering aspect, 25% tariff are substantial but there's nothing that complicated about it if you're already used to prior ruling.

Maybe I should just be direct and say that you, *insert company name* guys can do better than this, plus what a melancholy thread to shill on.