Topic: Use of AI on Bitcoin talk - page 3. (Read 1694 times)

I definitely agree with you.

It's entirely different when you're just using those software to help you correct your grammar so that you can clearly state what you're trying to say in a certain topic, unlike using like chatGPT to construct paragraphs for you regarding about a certain topic and just pasting here in the forum.


About this one, you can avoid plagiarism if you're just going to use a certain blog as your reference by giving proper credits to the author(s).

Also, don't just simply do copy and paste kind of action but try to derived it in your own perspective to avoid plagiarism. It's not bad to read something that you found in google, when you're just trying to get some other opinions regarding about certain topics but don't forget to always put proper credits to the rightful owners, like what I've said earlier.

Imo, at some point, using paraphrasing tools is somehow similar to AI-produced content, grammar check is fine I guess. If you let AI construct your sentence even if the idea came from you, there's a chance that it can be flagged as an AI-generated post even if it's not your intention. My advice is just to make it grammatically correct or understandable, users here already know that we're different and some are not english fluent, formality is not quite used but always depends on the topic.

So yeah, be careful with what you compose. AI is getting good nowadays, they can even compose a sentence with emotion, not AI style.
In general, if you really want to learn and at the same time make your efforts here worth it, AI isn't really a good use here since we need a discussion on a certain topic based on your own understanding or experience. For sure, a user who uses AI will suffer in the long term once based people come up with an idea where they can detect AI-produced posts. If people can detect plagiarism, made by AI are possible to be detected too so they give value to the process of learning, don't skip it by AI, study everything and make use of it in real life. 

There are bunch of tools that can detect AI already and at some point I agree that using AI on minor things is not impressive.  

There are more methods to hide AI usage and I will not mention them for obvious reasons. But it is still usually just a matter of time when those who use AI will be caught, because those who are so lazy that they prefer not to write several posts by themselves are usually too lazy to edit their posts enough each time, because good editing will take even more time than to write by themselves.

As far I know most Compaign manager has added special bonus for AI post detectors and also banning for all compaign for year if catched successfully for AI spamming. More than five members who was accepted in compaign has been removed and their payment givens to those who catched them. It is not true that compaign manager not caring about quality. Ab de Royse77 is I think first who added AI spamming note in the compaign thread.

There are some tools mentioned in Nutildah thread for detecting AI post but still some members are so clever and they are adding some extra word to humanize it.

I think AI is also being detected on this forum by the spam blasters of the forum. Nutildah has created a thread in reputation board where active users report AI generated posts whenever they find one. The AI detectors aren't that bad as they can detect AI generated text to some good extent.

I know that it's not going to stop those who are good at training AI themselves but at least most users don't really know that kind of technical things and they mostly rely on available AI text generators like ChatGPT, Google bard and a few others.

When it comes to quality of posts then surely managers do care about those and they avoid accepting those participants in the campaigns that only post useless things and nothing else. They are doing their job at their best and we can't blame them at all.

They are also humans and checking each user's all posts manually isn't possible so they might read a few posts of the users to see that how good the user is doing. I think we should appreciate managers of the forum because their job isn't easy but still they're doing their best.

I think signature campaign managers should do a better job at managing their campaigns. There's almost no exception to this as in every campaign these days there's some perpetrator sometimes. Some managers are quick to get such members out of their campaigns, others don't seem to care.

For instance, AI or not... There's too many nonsensical messages that add nothing to the discussion of each given topic. If managers look into quality over quantity a bit more it will make things easier. As of AI spam... I think someone needs to develop a reliable methodology for detecting it and host it as a service. Allowing managers that pay him a fee to check for messages to be AI free. Of course this would need some supervision to be more reliable so perhaps advertisers could pay managers to hire some extra staff.

Back in the day plagiarization was always caught by bitcointalk detectives but there's only so much that can be done against LLMs thesedays, especially when there's managers that don't care about nonsense posts being paid, who's gonna care about AI which is barely distinguishable from normal posts.

No one’s gonna beat you up in this forum for having shitty grammar. Long as you have the basic understanding of how to construct english sentences most of us here would make do of the rest and decipher whatever you wrote. And as long as it’s coherent to the most basic degree and it’s not chicken scratch we’re going to understand what you’re saying, trust me. So for newbies out there, rather than rely on AI to help you with constructing posts94 comments, try posting using your own methods first. I reckon it would be exceptionally better for you as it allows you to express yourself through your own way and it builds mastery as well.

That being said, I don’t think Blackhat’s wrong for suggesting the use of AI in such a minor degree. But the thing is there’s a massive slippery slope that could lead users into eventually using AI for posting here, since it has been human nature to abuse what very little power they are given from the moment they get it.

My verdict and opinion remains in favor of banning the use of AI in this forum. It’s disingenuous, it stops you from formulatin your own opinions, and it’s exceptionally harmful for newbies up to full members here cause it’s not like you’re going to read whatever shitpost the AI made once it’s done.

You can quote AI as long as you credit the program and use the quotation marks. The only thing that is against the rules is using the AI work as your own.

I think Spell checking is ok. What is not OK is asking Chat GPT a full question and then someone just copies and pastes the response as their own.

For example, I use LanguageTool sometimes, and It makes AI suggestions on the sentence I have just typed (which I made from my own). I don't actually use it to rephrase my whole writings but just spelling errors and sometimes grammar. I prefer my own writings over AI rephrasing. I think some users already use it to rephrase their sentences.

Here is an example

they are both a.i. they are simple versions and not as good as the new shit.

But I have zero problem with spell check  , grammarly or google translate, getting used in posting.

all are pretty simple time savers and you could use old school books the same way.

The better newer modern A.I. is too good.

It is like this t.v.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1646774-REG/samsung_qn98qn90aafxza_qn90a_98_class_hdr.html?ap=y&smp=y&msclkid=0dde40633d1c1215a4f025a183d91187

vs this tv

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363791248495?


one is simply far better than the other.


BTW if you generate an A.I. paragraph and then misspell a few words does it register as A.I. ?

All Al posts are seen as invalid post because its not quality or relevant, when you cross check AI posting you can see that is not formative and that is while it's been deleted..but remember that the system of bitcointalk doesn't capture  Al posting except that it's been noticed by any individual and test run the composition or article before it can be confirmed that the composition is been composed with artificial intelligence, left with the notice of members of the forum, a post that's is made with a artificial intelligence can not be deleted, its base on the post or composition is meaningless and it doesn't have any innovative measures or positive impacts to the forum from the observation of the reporter, do you noticed that all the posts that is being deleted from the system of bitcointalk most be reported first before deleted by mod.

If the forum doesn't acknowledge AI, how is it against the rules? Spamming the board with zero-value posts is what's against the rules, and that's why AI generated posts are getting deleted.

Fortunately, it is still easy to spot humans on the Internet; each one of us has a unique writing style of their own. It is very easy to spot an AI account. If it's a brand new account, appeared out of nowhere, writing an extensive list of what one needs to consider before starting a new crypto project, using plain bold, then it's probably an AI.

It gets creepy with that as some of us argued and struggled with discussions we thought were genuine contributions; not knowing otherwise. That has been going on for a while. Those who utilized Ai on the forum before some CMs frowned at it and drew up modalities against its use, can best be described as cheats. They presented what they never were and took credit for it as if they wrote them from the top of their heads. It's deceit.

The forum doesn't acknowledge the use of AI, so whoever that uses Al has disobey the rules and regulations of the forum so that is one of the things that we have to know concerning using artificial intelligence for composition, but it's different from plagiarism, so whatever we are doing in the aspect of plagiarism and AI both of them have similar offence in the forum, we have to understand the concepts, when someone said they are same I think that person is not mistaken because they have same penalty and the forum forbids them.

ChatGPT doesn't come up with anything on his own.
It's all just one big mix of presets set by developers and various stuff found on internet.
I had few test and ''conversation'' with it  and I concluded it is very bias and stupid, it is not neutral at all so you can never trust the answers you receive.
It's not hard to imagine that someone could hack it's servers and write anything he wants as a fake AI bot.

Spell check does not use any kind of AI. It simply applies existing spelling rules and does not learn or adapt. Regarding Grammarly,

https://www.contentellect.com/grammarly-review/

That's the difference. Grammarly only fixes what's there, using "AI" to apply grammar rules. ChatGPT comes up with its own ideas, which are often incorrect when it comes to complicated subjects like the technical details of bitcoin. Therefore it poses an inherent risk for people who come here actually seeking knowledge. It also encourages laziness and social detachment. The only difference between ChatGPT posts and shitposts is the former have better spelling & grammar.

spell check and grammarly are just less shopistacated ai.

Spell check is allowed
grammarly is allowed.

there fore ai is allowed.

note I did not spell check sophisticated above but I did spell check it in this sentence.

The forum doesn't have an AI-specific rule, but it does say that zero-value posts are prohibited, which is enough IMO. That's probably why you're getting these posts deleted in the AI thread. The fact that you can distinguish an AI post tells a lot about the post itself; it is a shitpost. The user fed the model the OP's message and requested a response. That can rarely generate human-looking text; especially newbie-looking text.

It’s not against the forum to based your answers from AI. The only reason it gets wrong is when you copy the text and own it like your self made post. However, paraphrasing it and eventually add some relevant ideas based from your own understanding is I think valid and not against the forum rules. Of course, if you don’t have ideas on a certain thread, you will definitely make a research on it, until you find yourself get the main point and explain it based on how you understand the given thread or question.

There's something I have come to understand, is that the use of AI is not that bad and there are things we can use AI to do which are if good but at the same time is not that tolerated in the Forum especially those who are in a sig campaign.
Some people do use it in an abusive way, let's say in some campaign where they do give bonus to the best post and you'd be surprised to see some users making use of AI to make their post the best. So that's where AI isn't supported in the Forum, when you use it against the Forum rules.