Topic: Using AI to Our advantage in the forum. (Read 325 times)

Agreed. This is a place for learning and discussion, if we integrate AI to improved ones post, then he isnt learning his relying his potential to a robot. Maybe integrating AI to some tech but not on creating scripts for potential response to any topics just to cope.

Yes, it could be beneficial on part of the forum moderators but for now, I don’t think they will bite that idea knowing it could also mean a long process of work. Although I also appreciate what OP has to offer, but now is probably not the right time for the moderators to adapt and use AI at its highest advantage knowing the call for AI usage is strictly not allowed in the forum, otherwise if you caught up several times, you’ll end up permanently banned and kick out in the forum.

If we integrate AI here, we are admitting that AI can do better than us; we should not give a thought to whether AI can do better or help this forum. We started as a forum of human interaction, and I'm hoping we can continue to be like this.
So why fix something if it's not broken, moderators are doing good, and the forum is doing fine, and this will lead to abuse of some members.Their alibi is the forum is already using an AI, why not us?

What OP has put up is a nice idea, I appreciate that. The idea might not make sense now, but I know in the future, when AI will be more in use and the forum could have an AI attack, that is when we will appreciate the idea in OP. Things are not out of hands now and could easily be handled but I don't know how this place will be in the future with the intimidating growth of AI.

There certain things we just shouldn't introduce in the forum especially when the disadvantages outweighs the advantage by far. No need of experimenting what we can beforehand foresee that it won't work properly as intended. Moderators are delivering on their task whenever a post is reported to them by concerned members depending on the fault they find about a post. Using AI won't only create a burden to moderators with the number of posts it may report in a minute (which may include a mix of both spam, AI generated posts and good post's),  it will make their work to be boring.

It's quite hard to work with data and that requires huge investment as well. In order to train a machine learning model one has to use many graphics cards and those can cost a lot, even if someone rents those cards from reputed AI training service providers that would still cost a lot of money.

Those who use AI generated posts aren't good at training bots, they simply generated articles from online AI generators like ChatGPT, Meta AI, and Gemini and then post that article here. Your idea might be possible but it's not possible to implement it on this forum directly unless it's hosted some where else.

Now it's all looking pretty good about using AI to help with all kinds of tasks. And most web services will adopt these tools.

But, in a little while, what will stand out are the sites that you have in your human base. Humans moderating, dealing with other humans, and interacting with humans.

That, Bitcointalk, already has. So I don't need these extras to stand out today, but rather to continue being what I have been, to stand out in the future, as I already stand out today.

Another thread about AI when a number of recent ones have been created and this could have been posted in one of them.

But the question arises, is the OP a new member or is it a case of just this particular account being a relatively new one? Maybe he knows the forum far more than we are led to believe.

To be clear, I would not be surprised if this account is not the only account operated by the OP and not only that it falls in to the same pattern of the recent threads being created by dubious and/or low ranking accounts posting about AI. Of course that does not mean there is a connection but there is a feeling related to them.

OP, you are new, and you don’t know everything that happens on the forum. People use AI on the forum, and we will not be able to completely limit this, but the especially stupid ones do not bother to at least slightly correct the posts issued by the AI. Such posts are discovered by users, after which a complaint is received to the moderators for deletion. What you propose is quite fussy for development. Spammers on the forum are not allowed to exist for long, since sooner or later attention is paid to them. Not all short posts qualify as spam posts, and similarly, AI posts are not always short either. My opinion is this: if the forum does not approve of AI, then let’s not reinvent the wheel and use the old grandfather’s method: press the button and send a report. If this is difficult for you, then there are many others for which sending a report takes two or three seconds.

And yes, do not forget that AI is a machine, and it often makes mistakes, and you will then have to explain it to a person.

AI-generated posts are lengthy, not short.

AI spammers make very lengthy posts, not short ones and you even don't need to use AI detective tools to guess that a post is created by AI tool. Of course, to confirm, you need to use not only one but some AI detective tools.

AI Spam Report Reference Thread

I read that forum has fund...the admin can do this with forum funds. Also I have seen a thread where someone wrote a code to implement 2FA authentication. So, an AI knowledgeable forum user can help us.

Oops! This is crazy

I imagine that the tools will work, the spam post gets reported and the forum will be cleaned.

But, the drawbacks it would ruin the forum. I mean, the forum activity is mostly depend on signature campaign posters which require post in gambling board. Most of discussion in gambling board are repetitive, so whoever post in gambling board would automatically deleted.

It's a domino effect, the forum poster gets mad > they leave the forum > the project choose to end the campaign > the forum has no activity.

This means the moderators might receive 10x to 1000x number of reported posts than usual, their reaction:

I believe it's unnecessary and uncalled for, and it will do nothing more than increase the workload for moderators because based on your suggestions, it will report the posts to the moderators and that will make a lot of mess for them to handle and you can't give an AI moderator rights so that it can handle the reports itself or delete the posts it detects because that will also make a mess in the forum because you can't expect an AI to work accurately all the time.


Again, nothing but increasing the burden of moderators making them check every single one-line post whether it is of good quality or not.


Can you explain how? Currently, forum members report posts and threads that they think are spam, useless, or scam attempts, to either get them deleted or locked, and the rate at which these reports are made isn't as high as it would be if there is an AI bot implemented to do automated reporting. So, this isn't going to lessen the burden on moderation but it is going to increase it.

This is why, I think it is better we traditionally do the reporting, by pressing the "report to moderator" button whenever it's needed, and let the moderators have less workload.

Well you would be surprised that the things that can actually happen, well I think the link to such particular user has already been posted and the thing is that is it really that hard to take out your time and actually converse with people because that's the way I see the whole posting thing here in the community, some persons are just too lazy to actually read and then give an answer either in support or maybe advice, suggestions to what they have read and believe me you actually don't need an AI for you to make simple thoughts.

So who wants pay the expert who actually can make such AI?


Here's an example, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fulfilling-signature-campaign-post-quota-by-recycling-own-posts-5498998.

What do you mean by post recycling, do you mean reposting a particular post over and over again? If that is what you mean, then I am really surprised to know that such an act actually happens in this forum because I am yet to see one.

Most times, we as humans may not be able to fish out these users who recycle posts, if AI is brought in, a lot of irregularities will be corrected.

7 for the effort but lets not add to the moderators workload they have already, imagine having to go through all one line replies reported by the AI for spam, that's going to be a handful of work for the moderators and I don't think they're being paid that much to go through the stress (and beside, they have real life too). It's better the forum members report the one line spam when they encounter them and it's left for the moderators to be judge as the system is. This way we're all contributing to keeping the forum clean and healthy off spammers, same goes for the length posts too.


Not in all situations are high numbers of post written within a short time associated with spamming but this is a writing pattern used by most spammers, that we all know. There are times though that the discussion can be very captivating and interest that you might not know when you have written what could be considered a high number of post within few hours especially when there's an argument and you're both trying to prove your points. Spams should be more about the content of the post and not quantities.

You something else that'll be pretty cool to teach the AI to do? Being able to detect and report recycled posts.
This happens to be one of the rising menaces on the forum, mostly from some users who have attained a reasonable rank on the forum and is currently participating on a signature campaign. They end up recycling and reposting posts they'd already previously posted weeks/months back, just to complete and meet up the required posts in order to get paid.

They often indulge in these silly acts due to laziness and inability to come up with reasonable and constructive contents.

OP, uhmmm, the sad reality is that we can't escape this; let that sink in....
From the early times, the quest on finding a solution to exterminate spamming (for instance) was really a nightmare - that wasn't the case initially, but they all realized and i quote - "everytime, spammers and bounty hunters always had a way to maneuver". These sockpuppets would sometimes create new accounts for fun - have y'all seen the number of unused accounts? They're not tired so getting 'em nuked is as good as wasting your time.
Let's covey the same sense into our present day/reality, the AI. You can't stop the adoption and use of an AI since, to be more critical, it helps if it's properly used... But, the abuse is coming hard on us. The value of forum isn't just gonna die off cus we've got another company; i saw this coming and i knew there wasn't anything to be done about it.
 

This is why I recommend starting with a particular board or even thread to see how it works.

It will become difficult for the spammer to keep creating new topics as often as they are banned.

People that work with large data can have a way to handle this. After I read this reply of yours, I started searching the forum but I could not see a thread related to that. IIRC

I don't work with large data, I don't know how difficult this will be. If someone can train a bot to make posts here, I believe my idea is possible to implement. Although it can be tedious.

Even if it is not implement now, in the future when humans and AI will be fighting for dominance here, AI could be the only solution to AI problems.

It seems with anything when you add AI, it become a click bait. The idea you are pitching can be just a simple web application. I do not see any intelligence that you require to create a such application.

Although, it's a good recommendation but I doubt anything like that is even needed. To do whatever is said in the post is a tough job and instead of getting any support it will add more burden to the forum. Someone can train AI on their machines but from forum's side I don't think it's even possible.

If someone is good at data sciences then he/she can create an AI model to detect malicious links but I believe that thing can be quite tough and no one will even think about something like that unless they can earn profits from that system.

I doubt we have enough moderators to handle the sheer volume of reports such a system will create by the hour. If you throw in length of posts into the mix, it will be impossible for the mods to work with and the reward is low. Accounts that engage in the most obvious type of spam arebof little value, the person behind the account will simply create another to continue spamming with if one gets nuked.

If there is a way to narrow the filter down to give moderators a workable amount of data, this could be a good idea. I actually think there is a user who uses bots to track spam or something similar, IIRC.

It is no longer news that artificial intelligence has enormously visited the forum and some members are using them to make posts in the forum. This had prompted so many questions about the usage of AI in the forum. I have come to understand that it is wrong to use AI in a forum where humans are supposed to be discussing. While we are fighting the wrong use of AI in the forum,  can we see my idea of using this same AI to the advantage of the forum by involving it in spam detection.

How possible is this?
I am not a data analyst and I also do not have machine learning and deep learning experience, but I am somehow aware of how things happen or how data or datasets are collected. I believe people who has good knowledge of what I'm suggesting will say whether it is possible or not to actualize.

• Collection of sample spam posts

Training an AI with sample of posts upto 100 or above notorious spammers. This will enable the AI to flag or report to moderators any posts that falls to the category it was trained to detect.  On a balance, sample posts of quality posters could also be learnt the AI so that it understands what a quality post could look like. This will improve its accuracy of determining if new posts are spam.

• Feeding the AI model with sample spam phrases and keywords

People who has been here for long or simply say moderators know these spam phrases.  So, the AI is programmed to report to the moderators any posts where these phrases or keywords are found. In the rules and regulations of the forum thread, such phrases were mentioned

• Filtering and reporting posts according to the length of post

In as much as one line posts could also be quality, we know that majority one line posts are spam. So, reporting all one line posts to the moderators by the AI will be of great help. In the same manner unduly long posts will be checked of repetitions and reported to the moderators who inturn decide whether such short or long posts are good.

• Other things the AI could be trained to do

The AI could also be trained to analyse links to check the malicious ones and spam links.
The AI will detect how frequently a poster posts, it could report high number of posts within a short period of time which mostly are spam posts.

Pros and Cons
If this is implemented, it will lessen the burden on moderation and post reporting and thereby giving us a more spam free forum. This idea can also be tested in a particular board like Trading discussion and see how it performs before introducing it to the larger forum.
I also know that the AI will not report with 100% accuracy,  that is why I had suggested that they will only flag a post and report to the moderators who will do the final moderation. If it is trusted overtime,  who knows they could be incorporated into moderation.