Topic: Using the blockchain to create/power sentient robotic life (Read 2697 times)

Yea that's one of the "fears". If the being goes rogue and takes a adolf hitler approach to human beings. I suppose you'd have to implement in ability to have a human's concept and perspective of morality.

A human brain is indeed impossible, science fiction. Now a rodent, or even better a fly... maybe. But having something decoded doesn't mean it's feasible to emulate it just yet.

We haven't even "decoded" the human brain yet-it has around 100billion neurons. So yea a rat's would be much more plausible atm.

we will find out when we build a biologically accurate model, simulating the trillions of cells, proteins, molecules and dna... then we can find out which sequences of the dna are causing our over all sociology.

According to Leonard Nimoy in an episode of In Search Of All you need for life is hot rocks and water.

My question is how do you create a sentient robot and have it not be totally insane from your point of view? If you program it how to think then you've failed at the task at hand.

I know this may sound a bit, well "crazy" to some. But basically Bitcoin is decentralized, the human body in a way of sorts, is also decentralized. The brain itself may be compared to mining pools where they allow things to happen according to consensus, so such a system would have to be similar to mining(Maybe not as secure nor "decentralized"-solo mining, and it would need to be in a "loop" or functioning on it's own without need for a external source(mining?), or not, maybe this "external source" would be similar to a biological organism needing food and water to "live").

Has anyone else thought of this, using Bitcoin's blockchain to create a sort of sentient artificial intelligence/body? I'm not talking about a highly advanced robot like in The Terminator/Matrix movies or anything, just something simple or comparable to maybe a small multi celled organism like a rodent.

Maybe the brain could use one, central blockchain, and the other major organs or what ought to represent them, use other lesser blockchains that relay information back and forth, things like colored coins could come into play representing various cells found throughout biological bodies like red/white blood cells etc, mining could rely information back and forth or a process similar. Instead of relaying transactions and inputs/outputs or what forms "coins", maybe a substitute for information such as "thoughts", "emotions"(more specifically the hormones that are responsible for such emotions) could be transacted back and forth instead, there would need to be physical hardware built such as heat sensors, touch, etc for "thoughts" or reactions based upon the "senses" even become feasible, and there'd need to be a way to store memories similar to the cerebrum, hippocampus and other areas responsible for memory in the brain.  Aargh, but that's just the little that I could come up with for the moment.

Some great philosophical discussion going on here. I think we have the potential to make great AI (still waiting for an actual, functioning DAC to be launched), but I don't think we actually have the power to "spawn new lifeforms" (outside of traditional procreation), biologically or digitally.

Creation is a power reserved for God. I believe this not because I am religious but because I read that article posted earlier about how there may have been no beginning to the universe, ergo life may have always existed in some form or another and just hitches rides across space on comets, astroids and what not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia

Having said that, with modern genetic engineering we can create some pretty crazy stuff, like rats that glow in the dark and pigs that can fly. Well, maybe not that last one. But we should really get back to concentrating on reanimating extinct species.

Maybe if we build it we will find something different, logic will take us so far... until we realize that what we experience is random and the attenuation of each memory and action may be limited by physical circuits to completely understand reality... but within those limits there is a battle of what choice we make, which can be the difference between a glial cell connecting two neurons or bringing one closer to another.

The complexity of the information being percieved creates this... the chance for absolute randomness.

What controls the sequence in which we experience reality?
Can the circuitry be complex enough to assemble quantum probability within the brain?
What controls the weight that we place towards our different memories and how are they assembled within the brain? Could differences in processing sequence create different results?

With all due respect, the fact you would not reveals you're not actually interested in a factual explanation but need to be coddled by a romantic ideal. Everything you are, we are, is at its core electrical pulses and chemistry. Every state of being you are is fueled, caused, and directed by chemical interaction. Your feelings *are* chemicals. It's a variety of chemical interactions causing the end results of feelings, desires, thoughts, movements, actions.

You cannot, with all respect for reality and common sense, deny that if one were to have the brain removed from the skull, the individual ceases to live. The brain is the control center for you and bottom line, we as reproductive animals are only here to make more reproductive animals. All our sexual behaviors are not caused by mental illness or psychological issues but by pure chemistry. The chemistry of hormones and neurotransmitters and a cocktail of chemicals *cause* us to feel sexually aroused, *cause* us to attach desire toward one person, *cause* us to feel nothing at all for someone else, *cause* us to desire intercourse...and most pathetic of all, everyone calling females whores and sluts, or giving people a hard time about cheating - it's all chemically induced. The menstrual cycle in females is the entire clock and cause of a woman's sexual nature for better or worse, operating monthly to impel her to desire sex for reproduction.

It's all chemistry all the time.

Sexual desire has nothing at all to do with psychology, emotion, ideals, morality or values. It's built into each of us to reproduce the species.

Our bodies, our beings have no special cosmic purpose here and it's narcissistic and egoism that we believe this is why we're all here.

Our bodies are vehicles to transport sex cells and move them from one to another to make more bodies to transport sex cells and it's all operated and caused by brain chemistry.

Love is a chemical reaction. Sex and love are two different things. It's not cosmic, we're not here to be rock stars and celebrities. There's no such thing as a soul mate, there's no one person "put here" just for us. Cheating is only a social ill but Mother Nature built us for multiple mates (which is why cheating is inevitable if you tie up somewhere "for the duration). We do not mate for life, it's antithetical to our entire existence. We were all "born" to reproduce. Outside of that, sex is recreational choice. We are here to reproduce this species and if we adapt well the changing conditions we survive. If not, we're terminated.



It's all chemistry all the time...and this reality withstands all romantic notions from those too frail to face it.


Embracing reality as it is and not as you wish it to be is the first step toward living a productive, quality, intellectually, and psychologically sound existence.  

With all due respect, the fact you would not reveals you're not actually interested in a factual explanation but need to be coddled by a romantic ideal. Everything you are, we are, is at its core electrical pulses and chemistry. Every state of being you are is fueled, caused, and directed by chemical interaction. Your feelings *are* chemicals. It's a variety of chemical interactions causing the end results of feelings, desires, thoughts, movements, actions.

You cannot, with all respect for reality and common sense, deny that if one were to have the brain removed from the skull, the individual ceases to live. The brain is the control center for you and bottom line, we as reproductive animals are only here to make more reproductive animals. All our sexual behaviors are not caused by mental illness or psychological issues but by pure chemistry. The chemistry of hormones and neurotransmitters and a cocktail of chemicals *cause* us to feel sexually aroused, *cause* us to attach desire toward one person, *cause* us to feel nothing at all for someone else, *cause* us to desire intercourse...and most pathetic of all, everyone calling females whores and sluts, or giving people a hard time about cheating - it's all chemically induced. The menstrual cycle in females is the entire clock and cause of a woman's sexual nature for better or worse, operating monthly to impel her to desire sex for reproduction.

It's all chemistry all the time.

Sexual desire has nothing at all to do with psychology, emotion, ideals, morality or values. It's built into each of us to reproduce the species.

Our bodies, our beings have no special cosmic purpose here and it's narcissistic and egoism that we believe this is why we're all here.

Our bodies are vehicles to transport sex cells and move them from one to another to make more bodies to transport sex cells and it's all operated and caused by brain chemistry.

Love is a chemical reaction. Sex and love are two different things. It's not cosmic, we're not here to be rock stars and celebrities. There's no such thing as a soul mate, there's no one person "put here" just for us. Cheating is only a social ill but Mother Nature built us for multiple mates (which is why cheating is inevitable if you tie up somewhere "for the duration). We do not mate for life, it's antithetical to our entire existence. We were all "born" to reproduce. Outside of that, sex is recreational choice. We are here to reproduce this species and if we adapt well the changing conditions we survive. If not, we're terminated.



It's all chemistry all the time...and this reality withstands all romantic notions from those too frail to face it.


Embracing reality as it is and not as you wish it to be is the first step toward living a productive, quality, intellectually, and psychologically sound existence.  

 You only need look to love to know there is something beyond the physical.  some would say that is ultimately attributable to brain chemistry (material reductionism) but I would not.

 You only need look to love to know there is something beyond the physical.  some would say that is ultimately attributable to brain chemistry (material reductionism) but I would not.

Awareness, or at least self awareness is a phenomena of the brain(Physical) and it's not just humans that exhibit it, there are already some species of animals that are self aware such as Chimpanzees, dolphins, etc. There is no metaphysical domain that we know of, all our attributes, our thoughts, our "self" stems from the physical brain, which is why things like injuries to the brain may result in personality changes, depression, mental retardation, losing some abilities such as speech, coordination etc.

Bigger geekgasm.

I wonder though if maybe we - and by we I mean scientists that aren't us per se - are working on AI and BMI backwards and instead of trying to put brains on chips or the block chain it might be easier and more probable to put the blockchain in the brain, adapt the brain itself to a blockchain esque function.

The idea of mind uploading is incredibly cool in concept but either they're describing it incorrectly or they're going about it incorrectly because the mind isn't a thing that has tangible properties that can be digitized or moved. Thoughts, feelings, desires, ideas, emotions, actions, are all end results of brain activity. There is nothing causal in a thought or feeling or emotion (and it irks the hell out of me when people go "he makes me happy" or "she made me mad" because we don't cause these end results in one another, there's no mechanism in a feeling or thought or desire to manipulate the recipient or perceiver). It begins and ends with the brain. Anything we feel, think, say or do is a direct end result of our brain and how we interpret what we've perceived, and the reaction/response is rooted in our own paradigm - our collection of perceptions and understanding of our environments and our places in it. Our own brains "make" us mad or happy, but we blame it on other people. If it was possible for us to cause states in others, the world would be markedly different than this one. We wouldn't need self help stuff and there wouldn't be a seduction market because we could just 'make' someone dig us and 'make' someone hate someone else.

I like to look at the paradigm as the equivalent of our own customized user's manual. Anything we perceive that's compatible with what's been established and accepted by us as true will be accepted. Anything that's incompatible will result in an endless debate that goes nowhere. It's why people at odds can't ever find common ground.

Anyway, since it's all end result and intangible, there's no possible way to move or upload a 'mind'...mind is the end result of brain behavior/functioning so unless it's just an inaccurate way of talking about it and they're doing something else, mind uploading isn't going to happen because it can't happen.

My understanding of what they're looking to do, with regard for AI and digitizing "mind" is actually that in learning the brain behavior/functioning and modifying it to a digital format which is then a mirror copy of our brain's activity that cause these end results we can find a better substrate to hold it, move it, download it into some other form - all that is largely doable and then gives rise to the big paranoid question of "is it us or a copy of us or something else"?

Adding to the problem in the example above using the blockchain as a memory store, what sort of interface would be required? How would it likely need to work to store it from the brain to blockchain?

It seems to me it'd be easier to figure out a way to modify our brains to work in concert with the blockchain or blockchain like in a figurative sense than literally. Or, at the very least, figure out a way to use the brain power as the processing power for AI.

Damn, I love the future. I love this topic, I love AI, bitcoin, BMI - all of it. I hope I am still around when these problems are solved and the first technologies erupt.