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sr. member
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September 21, 2017, 10:44:33 AM


Own token is ERC20, right? How come that it doesn't charge fees? Are they paid by UTRUST itself? If no, enlight me please

Yes, it's an ERC-20 token. What do you mean by no fees - when making a purchase with UTRUST tokens?



Don't Erc tokens need some gas to move it? Utrust is using ethereum blockchain so there should be some fee for transactions?
Every ERC-20 token needs gas to move it. It's the specification of Ethereum blockchain and it can't be avoided so UTRUST will also need some eth to transfer it
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September 21, 2017, 10:19:23 AM
When will ico start? Me and some of my friends wanted to join for that time. If it is in early October I will collect the rest of the money to join in this project. I got some good news from some of my friends to join for this Utrust ico. Good luck
I also hope that this ICO starts soon. I think I will invest at least 1 eth in this project. I think there is a lot of interest into this so we need only the devs to do a good job.
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September 21, 2017, 10:17:30 AM
So only 1% fee, which is a lot lower than paypal and others.
Instantanious conversion to fiat for the merchants !
And burning tokens everytime ..
Wow this is something i'd like to install at some business i know.
Is there a early adopter system ?


so the 1% fee is converted into utrust tokens and burned - and that increases the worth of the existing tokens am i right?

No not the whole 1% fee is converted, only a fraction of the transactional fee is used to buy UTrust tokens back.
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September 21, 2017, 10:15:53 AM
At first I thought the team was quite young, but after I saw the numbers of person involved and their previous work on LinkedIn.

Seems like they have quite a professional team !
If they are not a professional team, how to make many investors buy all token from pre-sale in one day? Grin
They need prove their project is best place to invest, therefore I do not feel surprised after pre-sale raised hardcap very fast like that.
Well, yes, from which team depends on whether investors invest or not. it looks like it's all right here
Let's see how they will develop further
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September 21, 2017, 10:11:51 AM
When will ico start? Me and some of my friends wanted to join for that time. If it is in early October I will collect the rest of the money to join in this project. I got some good news from some of my friends to join for this Utrust ico. Good luck
full member
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September 21, 2017, 10:09:20 AM
So only 1% fee, which is a lot lower than paypal and others.
Instantanious conversion to fiat for the merchants !
And burning tokens everytime ..
Wow this is something i'd like to install at some business i know.
Is there a early adopter system ?


so the 1% fee is converted into utrust tokens and burned - and that increases the worth of the existing tokens am i right?
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September 21, 2017, 09:48:31 AM
That's of course true, but I think people should have the option to choose themself if they want to pay more for protection or not. You also don't want to get an insurence by force, don't you? Of course something can happen, so they always can choose to go the saver way. But for example if you work with someone where you already bought a lot of stuff and who you trust, maybe there is no need to pay the extra fee.

Thanks for explaining. The difference between business and Friends&Family payments was never clear to me. I still think that choice should be removed. Search on the net and look how many confusion it causes, how many trusted the other party and got scammed.

Safe payments for all parties involved at a low fee, that would be the best solution. If you want to send money to a relative without protection, there are other ways.

Sure, there are other ways. But Paypal is well established and easy to use in my opinion. But it lags some feature which I think UTrust can solve. Of course you can't have all features in one product.

In my opinion the choice of paying fees or not for Paypal is not a bad one. If someone don't know the seller or whoevery, fees and with this the protection is very useful, but my mainproblem for this is that the seller have to pay them. Instead they should be charged from the buyer. Well at least in this special case. Smiley

Anyways I am looking forward to the detailed fee exposure the devs wanted to give out.
hero member
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Borderless for People, Frictionless for Banks
September 21, 2017, 09:45:10 AM
At first I thought the team was quite young, but after I saw the numbers of person involved and their previous work on LinkedIn.

Seems like they have quite a professional team !
If they are not a professional team, how to make many investors buy all token from pre-sale in one day? Grin
They need prove their project is best place to invest, therefore I do not feel surprised after pre-sale raised hardcap very fast like that.
newbie
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September 21, 2017, 09:43:19 AM
And proportional distribution absolutely fair for all.
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UTRUST Community Manager
September 21, 2017, 09:28:25 AM


looks good!We need more information about your team as so a big project need a professional development.

https://utrust.io/team

Don't Erc tokens need some gas to move it? Utrust is using ethereum blockchain so there should be some fee for transactions?

Still clarifying but I assume this will still need to be charged to the transaction (i.e. the buyer).
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September 21, 2017, 09:25:31 AM
That's of course true, but I think people should have the option to choose themself if they want to pay more for protection or not. You also don't want to get an insurence by force, don't you? Of course something can happen, so they always can choose to go the saver way. But for example if you work with someone where you already bought a lot of stuff and who you trust, maybe there is no need to pay the extra fee.

Thanks for explaining. The difference between business and Friends&Family payments was never clear to me. I still think that choice should be removed. Search on the net and look how many confusion it causes, how many trusted the other party and got scammed.

Safe payments for all parties involved at a low fee, that would be the best solution. If you want to send money to a relative without protection, there are other ways.
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Ternion | Hybrid Crypto Exchange with fiat gateway
September 21, 2017, 09:14:25 AM
In my opinion the best thing would be to have the protection built-in to the system at a reasonable fee. Presenting the user a choice for buyer protection will add another hurdle to the order process ("Do I want buyer protection? This is taking way too long, I just want to pay.") and it plants a negative thought in the buyer's mind ("So you're saying I could be scammed?")

I understood from WP that the payed amount will be held in escrow for up to several days, depending on the previous performance of the seller. Isn't that a kind of protection for the buyer?

You are right. In fact escrow protects both parties. The seller is assured that the money is available and the buyer is ensured the seller won't get the money without sending the product. But with cryptocurrencies the seller already had the advantage of guaranteed payment, so that point is moot.

Now I wonder why PayPal didn't offer an escrow service, that would have saved sellers a lot of pain and money. There's escrow.com that accepts PayPal as payment, meaning it's technically and legally possible.

The biggest issue I have with escrow.com is their fees. I get that they have to make money, but something like UTRUST can severely cut down on the costs of using an escrow service.
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September 21, 2017, 09:08:48 AM
To keen for Utrust at the moment
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September 21, 2017, 09:02:37 AM
At first I thought the team was quite young, but after I saw the numbers of person involved and their previous work on LinkedIn.

Seems like they have quite a professional team !
sr. member
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September 21, 2017, 08:55:46 AM
I'm a little confused about the dates. I just found out that registered users until yesterday were having a 20% bonus:

https://medium.com/@UTRUST/early-supporter-reward-e9a862208b7f - but I missed that!

I think, especially on Twitter, there are too many information: maybe it's better less tweet with more clear info?



the ICO was open for early investors with a big bonus. not sure I like it, but it's their decision.

Well, it allows whales to invest earlier so that fishies can invest without issues and knowing about the whale backup. Good for big-aimed projects like this one.
hero member
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September 21, 2017, 08:54:06 AM
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September 21, 2017, 07:49:14 AM
Just finished reading the whitepaper and I must say I really like the idea behind this project. As someone who already got chargebacked once on PayPal I know it needs a solution for this issue. Great that UTRUST can offer one.
yeah ,ba baba la ,you type so many words ,what do you want to say , will you invest Utrust or just want to update your activty?

I don‘t know what‘s your problem?! I just said the project looks solid for me and from my own experience I can see the need of an alternative to PayPal.

But yeah, back to topic.

Can anyone tell me how they will handle refunds after the seller received his funds from the escrow? When the buyer for example decides to return the goods he purchased after a week and originally payed 0.1 Bitcoin ($400 at the time of the purchase). Will he get back his 0,2 Bitcoin or $400 dollar worth of Bitcoin at the time of the return?
When the seller refunds the $400 in Bitcoin to the buyer, are there conversion fees (now for the seller) as well?
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September 21, 2017, 07:35:36 AM
Yeah but for example Paypal also give the option to decide if you want to have the protection (for fees) or if you don't want them (without fees). But the worst part about this is, that if the buyer wants the protection, the seller has to pay for it lol

That can't possibly be right. Do you have a source for that? Why would the buyer buy without protection if the seller pays for it anyway? And why have that choice in the first place?

Ah sorry, I mixed it up. Of course if you buy with a marketplace implementing you can't choose this option. But if you for example sell something on other platforms. In Germany we have for example a sell platform of ebay where you don't sell something in auctions but in normal sell offer, and people can give you a message if they want to buy. I sold there a lot of used stuff I had no use anylonger and mainly got payments via paypal. And if you send money then from buyer to seller they can decide to make it as a friend/family transfer or normal with fees and protection, because the payment process is not in the platform. If they would choose for normal transfer the money get reduced by the fee.

it would be cool to give people the choise too at UTrust but with the option that buyer, who wants the protection, would be charged. But protection is really a nice thing. I hope they could fill the gab for this problems stated above.

In my opinion the best thing would be to have the protection built-in to the system at a reasonable fee. Presenting the user a choice for buyer protection will add another hurdle to the order process ("Do I want buyer protection? This is taking way too long, I just want to pay.") and it plants a negative thought in the buyer's mind ("So you're saying I could be scammed?")

That's of course true, but I think people should have the option to choose themself if they want to pay more for protection or not. You also don't want to get an insurence by force, don't you? Of course something can happen, so they always can choose to go the saver way. But for example if you work with someone where you already bought a lot of stuff and who you trust, maybe there is no need to pay the extra fee.
full member
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September 21, 2017, 07:01:48 AM
In my opinion the best thing would be to have the protection built-in to the system at a reasonable fee. Presenting the user a choice for buyer protection will add another hurdle to the order process ("Do I want buyer protection? This is taking way too long, I just want to pay.") and it plants a negative thought in the buyer's mind ("So you're saying I could be scammed?")

I understood from WP that the payed amount will be held in escrow for up to several days, depending on the previous performance of the seller. Isn't that a kind of protection for the buyer?

You are right. In fact escrow protects both parties. The seller is assured that the money is available and the buyer is ensured the seller won't get the money without sending the product. But with cryptocurrencies the seller already had the advantage of guaranteed payment, so that point is moot.

Now I wonder why PayPal didn't offer an escrow service, that would have saved sellers a lot of pain and money. There's escrow.com that accepts PayPal as payment, meaning it's technically and legally possible.
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September 21, 2017, 06:50:46 AM
Watching this activity is almost enough to burn calories.Almost!!!; -)
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