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@OP have you asked them when they added that rules? because if they added that months after the war between Ukraine and Russia, I would have assumed at this points that they would have a translated version of that rules in Russian and other languages.

would you mind posting screenshots of your conversation with their support. also, I'd suggest to refrain from spamming the same thing on their ANN thread, you could get banned from doing it.

Quote from: EKoston on August 24, 2023, 01:43:32 AM

really strange case here

but ím wondering how OP were able to get such high amount, i got limited after winning 800 Dollar

not everyone gets limited after winning several hundred dollars.

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Quote from: Cadaver20 on August 23, 2023, 02:27:17 PM

If verification is required, it should be completed before depositing. And after submitting your kyc documents they sent you $3000 but they kept another $15000. From here it is clear that their only intention is not to let you withdraw your assets. Better avoid this shit casino.

The casino is making attempts to withhold the ops money and irrespective pf what their call it as a practice, KYC verification should have been the highest level of that requirement so at that point where ops passed the KYC and were allowed to withdraw $3,000 he should have been allowed to withdraw the total amount instead of the casino still holding back 15,000 of the remaining balance.

But then also this is what has always been evident with the shiny casinos we have around, they accept any amount of deposits but when it comes to withdrawal, they will set various rules and regulations.

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Quote from: davis196 on August 24, 2023, 01:33:17 AM

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And the funny thing is that the site supports 19 different languages, respectively, the section "Terms and Conditions" is translated into all available 19 languages. And Clause 2.1. in "Terms and Conditions", where it says about the ban on players from Russia is only on the English version of the site. No other language has this item

Just because the Terms and conditions aren't posted in your language that doesn't mean that you are free to break them. Grin

I also live in a country, where English isn't the main language, but I don't expect all the websites in the world to post their Terms of Service in my language.

Did you take a look at the website? They did publish the Terms in his language (Russian), but conveniently left out the clause that restricts sports betting for players from Russia. What's more, the OP claims that they added the restriction after he had already used the sportsbook, which means, from a legal perspective, he has every right to complain.

Quote from: davis196 on August 24, 2023, 01:33:17 AM

Vave.com cannot be racist, because race doesn't matter here. I assume that your are white(like most Russians) and the owners of vave.com are also white.

LOL! You do understand that racism is not only about the color of your skin? Wink

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

Racism is discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on August 24, 2023, 02:33:01 AM

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No every person is a forum geek + not everyone is from bitcointalk.

Most of the people/user who are facing a problem with (unknown casinos) are not quite popular are users who just registered on bitcointalk. They register in here due facing the problem and don't know anything about the forum.

Expecting by creating a forum thread, at least their problem can be solved. You cannot blame he at all due not everyone came from here, even he played casino with a list pick (most of the time they will search in internet) and the list pick are from paid article.

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I will like to know why you choose to use vave, This is the first time someone will mention this casino on here as I am new to it, but I do know that they are offering some free spins if you use some promo code, I bet this will attract a lot of people, the number of the free spin is 100+ and they claimed it will maximize the chances of winning jackpot.

I also do some research about this website and the reviews I can find are those that content creators made on Medium and Reddit, I believe those are paid advertisements and not real reviews from users, which is why I asked why you chose this platform instead of many popular options out there.

Accept things the way they are, there is nothing you can do, this normally happen with online casinos that are not doing so well, they later resort to cheating their customer's funds and blaming them as if they are the ones at fault.

Next time, pick from the list of the best online casinos, you've learned a lesson I hope.

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The first thing when you accuse something related to your money or what you mean by racism is the most important thing is a screenshot, because everyone can make up stories to bring down certain casinos especially if you are also a beginner account, so you have to understand that how you do it To bring people's attention here to your problem, I'm not defending the casino because I just think we should be fair.

So there is no intention to defend anyone here, I also definitely will not be happy if there are racist acts in gambling because in my opinion it will never look fair, so I hope you have strong evidence such as screenshots or other evidence that can be published here it is getting better, especially on the fraud accusation board, because without it you will be said to be making up and many people will ignore your problem. I hope your problem will be resolved soon by Vave Wink

EKoston

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really strange case here

but ím wondering how OP were able to get such high amount, i got limited after winning 800 Dollar

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And the funny thing is that the site supports 19 different languages, respectively, the section "Terms and Conditions" is translated into all available 19 languages. And Clause 2.1. in "Terms and Conditions", where it says about the ban on players from Russia is only on the English version of the site. No other language has this item

Just because the Terms and conditions aren't posted in your language that doesn't mean that you are free to break them. Grin

I also live in a country, where English isn't the main language, but I don't expect all the websites in the world to post their Terms of Service in my language.
Vave.com cannot be racist, because race doesn't matter here. I assume that your are white(like most Russians) and the owners of vave.com are also white. I guess that they are just coming up with an excuse to shave your money.
You made an interesting point about the crypto casinos allowing withdrawals only when the player account is "red" (more money lost than won).
When the account becomes green (more money won than lost) all those verifications and problems begin to appear.
I guess that's why I never had any problems with withdrawals. My accounts aren't "green".

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Quote from: OgNasty on August 23, 2023, 05:17:04 PM

First off, it’s spelled racist. It’s hard to take everything else you say seriously when the subject has a misspelling in the allegation. The terms having an extra clause for the English reading players to me might not be nefarious, but a lack of business resources. Maybe their lawyer gave them that to include in English, but they haven’t hired translators to get it added in other languages also.

I think so too, because I hace witnessed how many services, not only casinos and not only related to cryptocurrencies, give priority to commercial translations, while the legal ones are treated like secondary info, not really necessary for making money fast, which seems to be the most important. If they don't mind to risk and don't want to avoid legal actions against them is up to them, of course, but it is a bit discouraging to see how many services fail in doing important things like this well.

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First off, it’s spelled racist. It’s hard to take everything else you say seriously when the subject has a misspelling in the allegation. The terms having an extra clause for the English reading players to me might not be nefarious, but a lack of business resources. Maybe their lawyer gave them that to include in English, but they haven’t hired translators to get it added in other languages also.

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An example of how the terms and conditions can be used against players. In this case, since whoever in Vave found out that you're Russian, they believe they can scam you out of your money easily because of the ongoing conflict plus the sanctions imposed against Russia. This is the first time I've heard that a person gets his money confiscated on a gambling platform just because of his nationality. Imagine adding a clause on the terms just to fuck with your players.

Create a scam accusation thread and post all evidence there. Might not get you back your money but you've damaged the site's reputation by doing so.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on August 23, 2023, 01:26:55 PM

Creating a scam assumption would be better.

IMO, it's clear that they're targeting you to avoid the money is being withdrawn from their site:
1. They have rules not being completed same from all-different language
2. They have a restriction, but not stand with their word (If they really care about it, they should block your IP + ask KYC first before make any deposit.

This is one of the shity tactic casino.

I agree with you. It looks like the site has seen a reason to steal the player's money. I believe the TOS was modified so that @OP will not get his money once his account is in green. This is not being racist but is a shady casino whose tactic is TOS modification once a player gets a huge amount of winnings and in order to prevent them from withdrawing the funds.

Quote from: SamReomo on August 23, 2023, 04:29:26 PM

Quote from: Alphie12 on August 23, 2023, 03:17:40 PM

Are you geoblocked and have to use a VPN to get in? If you are goeblocked then it's your fault. If not you are getting scammed.

If you read the whole thread carefully then you'll know that the OP isn't geo-blocked but instead he's from a country which the casino doesn't allow for sports betting. The OP is from Russia and in 2.1. of "Terms and Conditions" of the casino it is stated that the users from Russia are not allowed to place bet on sports events and unfortunately the clause is only present on English version of the Terms and Conditions and others language versions lack that clause. The user won't be able to place anymore bets of the sports events but he will be able to place bets on other areas of the casino.

I would recommend OP to avoid such casinos because they just add such clauses in their Terms and Conditions to loop money out of our pockets. I don't think that any casino has such clause where players from Russia aren't allowed to take part in sports betting. And, if they have rules where players from Russia can't place bets then they better lock the sports betting for players that are from Russia. They're most probably making up a story to shift the attention of the OP and their intentions don't seem to be good.

And since the 2.1 of Terms and Condition is not in other languages, it is possible that it is recently added. The clause is banning Russian citizens from sports betting, it should also have its Russian translation counterpart because it is addressed to the Russian citizen.

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Quote from: SamReomo on August 23, 2023, 04:29:26 PM

Quote from: Alphie12 on August 23, 2023, 03:17:40 PM

Are you geoblocked and have to use a VPN to get in? If you are goeblocked then it's your fault. If not you are getting scammed.

If you read the whole thread carefully then you'll know that the OP isn't geo-blocked but instead he's from a country which the casino doesn't allow for sports betting. The OP is from Russia and in 2.1. of "Terms and Conditions" of the casino it is stated that the users from Russia are not allowed to place bet on sports events and unfortunately the clause is only present on English version of the Terms and Conditions and others language versions lack that clause. The user won't be able to place anymore bets of the sports events but he will be able to place bets on other areas of the casino.

I would recommend OP to avoid such casinos because they just add such clauses in their Terms and Conditions to loop money out of our pockets. I don't think that any casino has such clause where players from Russia aren't allowed to take part in sports betting. And, if they have rules where players from Russia can't place bets then they better lock the sports betting for players that are from Russia. They're most probably making up a story to shift the attention of the OP and their intentions don't seem to be good.

If you read his post carefully only the English version bans Russia. He may have not read the English version before playing.

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Quote from: Alphie12 on August 23, 2023, 03:17:40 PM

Are you geoblocked and have to use a VPN to get in? If you are goeblocked then it's your fault. If not you are getting scammed.

If you read the whole thread carefully then you'll know that the OP isn't geo-blocked but instead he's from a country which the casino doesn't allow for sports betting. The OP is from Russia and in 2.1. of "Terms and Conditions" of the casino it is stated that the users from Russia are not allowed to place bet on sports events and unfortunately the clause is only present on English version of the Terms and Conditions and others language versions lack that clause. The user won't be able to place anymore bets of the sports events but he will be able to place bets on other areas of the casino.

I would recommend OP to avoid such casinos because they just add such clauses in their Terms and Conditions to loop money out of our pockets. I don't think that any casino has such clause where players from Russia aren't allowed to take part in sports betting. And, if they have rules where players from Russia can't place bets then they better lock the sports betting for players that are from Russia. They're most probably making up a story to shift the attention of the OP and their intentions don't seem to be good.

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Probably not a discrimination but part of the sanction, but if its not on their rules in the first place then why impose it.
Though if I understand this correctly, they just freeze your winning money and didn't let you to get everything which I believe is unusual.
If the site really follow their rules about the withdrawals and the restrictions then better to communicate it with you.
Anyway, stop posting the same comment on their thread your account might be tagged if ever.

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Are you geoblocked and have to use a VPN to get in? If you are goeblocked then it's your fault. If not you are getting scammed.

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If verification is required, it should be completed before depositing. And after submitting your kyc documents they sent you $3000 but they kept another $15000. From here it is clear that their only intention is not to let you withdraw your assets. Better avoid this shit casino.

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Quote from: Cantsay on August 23, 2023, 01:36:54 PM

Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 23, 2023, 01:04:32 PM

Perhaps, they have added the clause 2.1 recently.

It could be but there’s no way to verify if they recently added it or it has been like that and the Op didn’t see it.

I tried to check if the site was archived before anything was altered but web archive is not working on my end prolly due to my network. Another thing again, I’m sure that during the time Op started playing at the site his Ip must have been that of Russia why didn’t the site block his account then to prevent usage of their site why wait until Op had that amount before requesting for kyc? It seems like a shady business tbh.

He has for sure read the clauses of the terms and conditions. Otherwise I don't think he would blow up like this, as well as vave.com taking up the mistake and reinstating access on his account and giving back his money with 3000 on top of that.

There has been a clear mistake on vave's part here which is the lack of transparency on their end. It would've been easy to put out an announcement or a notification on their platform stating that some things will be changed in their terms and conditions, but they still carried on with it not knowing that some of their players have done their homework and read the service agreements before pressing "I agree". I don't think it's particularly racist, although I understand how OP feels since this is a personal attack, but that doesn't mean they could just do it willy-nilly to customers and users.

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in such a case, I would try to talk to the institution that issued their gaming license or to a player's association for support (maybe they have already experienced similar situations).
as a last resort, and to be evaluated, I would consider consulting a lawyer, just to understand how much it is really possible to win such a dispute Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on August 23, 2023, 01:04:32 PM

Perhaps, they have added the clause 2.1 recently.

It could be but there’s no way to verify if they recently added it or it has been like that and the Op didn’t see it.

I tried to check if the site was archived before anything was altered but web archive is not working on my end prolly due to my network. Another thing again, I’m sure that during the time Op started playing at the site his Ip must have been that of Russia why didn’t the site block his account then to prevent usage of their site why wait until Op had that amount before requesting for kyc? It seems like a shady business tbh.

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