Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather

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Quote from: pooya87 on December 26, 2022, 12:38:27 AM

Quote from: Lucius on December 22, 2022, 12:07:00 PM

The most tragic thing in the whole story is the fact that most of today's young people do not know what a tomato, cucumber or pepper really tastes like.

Speaking of tastes I have forgotten how pears taste like Tongue

. I don't know what they did to pear trees or if it is the same in other countries but they no longer have any taste here. Each year when it's their season I buy them and get disappointed again.

In order to preserve the natural taste of vegetables and fruits, the development of household plots and small-scale farming should be encouraged. Organic farming should be encouraged. Large agricultural enterprises cannot pay due attention to this, therefore, more various chemicals are used to care for vegetables and fruits. As a result, their natural taste is lost.

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Quote from: Mauser on December 26, 2022, 06:17:14 AM

Sounds like a good plan but you are forgetting a few factors. First of all, you need land to grow the vegetables. If you have a spare garden with enough space to start farming its great, but most people live in big cities with apartments. There is the chance to grow some herbs on the balcony, but that is pretty much it. There is the chance to rent a small piece of land at the outskirts of the big cities, but they are expensive and there is a lot of demand for them. Another factor to consider is water prices, as in most regions of the world vegetables need a lot of water to grow. Another thing could be protection against storms or frost. I think growing vegetables on a larger scale efficiently is quite a hard job and will require some knowledge before getting into it.

You are talking about just a single house. But if you consider how many homes and gardens there are in the world for individuals, if we ALL start to grow our own crops, and I mean ALL, like everyone has a fridge, everyone has a bed, everyone has a couch, and now everyone grows their own crops, how little or big depends on the size you have, some have huge gardens, some can do it on pottery, but everyone has a tiny amount at least. That means the whole population combined would make a lot of crops combined. That would be as much as a lot of farmers, even if not all of them equal. At least would be enough to drop the prices a lot considering it all, and would be great.

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Quote from: pooya87 on December 26, 2022, 12:38:27 AM

Quote from: Lucius on December 22, 2022, 12:07:00 PM

The most tragic thing in the whole story is the fact that most of today's young people do not know what a tomato, cucumber or pepper really tastes like.

Speaking of tastes I have forgotten how pears taste like Tongue

. I don't know what they did to pear trees or if it is the same in other countries but they no longer have any taste here. Each year when it's their season I buy them and get disappointed again.

It is possible that it is a variety designed to be pleasing to the eye and long-lasting, but this is not something that we can notice exclusively on pears, everything, let's call it "modern fruits and vegetables" is practically tasteless or barely reminiscent of what we eat. I still manage to get pears that taste right, but that can only be found at green markets from people who produce them in small quantities without using any harmful ingredients.

As I already wrote, you and I still remember the real tastes, but today there are already hundreds of millions of people in the world for whom such a thing is not important at all, and unfortunately that number will only increase.

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It seems that the increase in the price of vegetables, fruits and agricultural staples has occurred in many countries. because recently in the country where I live now there has been a price hike in rice and several other types of fruit. almost up about 15-25% in this month alone. And it seems the farmers here are cheering because they can sell their agricultural products at a satisfactory price. But a few months ago the farmers here did have a difficult time. my friend who is a farmer even suffered losses in the previous season due to falling vegetable prices while fertilizer prices rose. But this season my friend has a very extraordinary advantage because he can sell at a high price. Maybe someday I will also go into agriculture. because I have had a high interest for a long time. but what is my focus now is to buy more land.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on December 14, 2022, 05:35:23 PM

What options do those with less disposable income have? A pack of seeds can cost as low as $5 which could conceivably allow for percentage interest on gains within an entry level setting. If it is possible to grow $50 of food from a $5 pack of seeds, then in theory 10x return on investment becomes possible.

Sounds like a good plan but you are forgetting a few factors. First of all, you need land to grow the vegetables. If you have a spare garden with enough space to start farming its great, but most people live in big cities with apartments. There is the chance to grow some herbs on the balcony, but that is pretty much it. There is the chance to rent a small piece of land at the outskirts of the big cities, but they are expensive and there is a lot of demand for them. Another factor to consider is water prices, as in most regions of the world vegetables need a lot of water to grow. Another thing could be protection against storms or frost. I think growing vegetables on a larger scale efficiently is quite a hard job and will require some knowledge before getting into it.

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Quote from: Lucius on December 22, 2022, 12:07:00 PM

The most tragic thing in the whole story is the fact that most of today's young people do not know what a tomato, cucumber or pepper really tastes like.

Speaking of tastes I have forgotten how pears taste like Tongue

. I don't know what they did to pear trees or if it is the same in other countries but they no longer have any taste here. Each year when it's their season I buy them and get disappointed again.

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Peoples memory's are too short.

Similar weather in the 70's

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Quote from: Casdinyard on December 24, 2022, 04:13:02 PM

Quote from: Hispo on December 14, 2022, 10:15:31 PM

This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water).
If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a big quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy.

It would be also productive to use that obtained water efficiently, I have read some articles on how watering plants is better at night, since the evaporation rates are slower, for obvious reasons.

I think the thought has been entertained a few too many times but little to no effort has been made to actualize this. Desalinating into potable water may not just work because of as you said, huge costs to run it, which could in turn cause multiple companies to privatize it and in return, charge more for water. I think the better solution to this is to really bank on efforts to rehabilitate the environment especially areas that could work as freshwater basins. You're hitting two birds with one stone with that too cause it also helps reduce the effects of climate change, especially if done on a large scale.

the recent cold cyclone has brought so much cold to the region. People are stuck in their homes and trying to keep themselves hot.
Earlier there was COVID - then war and Now these extreme weather condition.

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Quote from: Hispo on December 14, 2022, 10:15:31 PM

This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water).
If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a big quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy.

It would be also productive to use that obtained water efficiently, I have read some articles on how watering plants is better at night, since the evaporation rates are slower, for obvious reasons.

I think the thought has been entertained a few too many times but little to no effort has been made to actualize this. Desalinating into potable water may not just work because of as you said, huge costs to run it, which could in turn cause multiple companies to privatize it and in return, charge more for water. I think the better solution to this is to really bank on efforts to rehabilitate the environment especially areas that could work as freshwater basins. You're hitting two birds with one stone with that too cause it also helps reduce the effects of climate change, especially if done on a large scale.

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Absolutely expected process in the current environment.
Problems:
- world crisis
- terrorist war against Ukraine and economic war against the EU
- a sharp drop in grain supplies from the largest suppliers - Ukraine and the Russian Federation
- risks of major migration processes
- Reinsurance on resources, critical resources

In fact, much more food is produced than is really necessary. But there are also nuances:
- Inefficient use of food. Where there are a lot of them and they are available, a significant part of the products goes to the trash can.
- in countries that suffer from hunger, there is a completely objective problem - the reluctance of the local population to engage in this difficult work. It is better to wait for humanitarian aid. No offense only! Israel, which does not have a fertile land, grows a huge amount of vegetables and fruits, and provides not only for itself but also for many others. I'm not saying that you can grow juicy fruits in the Sahara, but for example, in the greater territory of the African continent, farming is absolutely possible ... But they don't want to.

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Quote from: Nhazwrath on December 22, 2022, 07:27:11 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on December 21, 2022, 12:59:20 AM

Extreme weather plays its part, but at the same time we are ignoring other factors. From what I have seen in my area, more and more fertile farmland is being converted in to residential and industrial areas. And it is no coincidence that most of the major urban areas in the world are located in the vicinity of prime agricultural land. And secondly, human population continues to grow at an astounding pace. The crop yields are not raising to cope up with this growth in population. As a result land that is less suitable for agriculture is being used for that purpose, resulting in reduced agricultural output.

This is actually incorrect.

Humanity produces four times the food on 2/3s Less land then we did 100 years ago.

So no, we are not in any danger of running out of food or running out of argi space.

Any food scarcity we have is close to 100% political problems. and as usual then blame something other then whats actually true.

Things are getting BETTER. Not worse.

https://www.humanprogress.org/things-are-getting-better/

I can't speak on behalf of the global world or any one nation aside from my own. And I can tell you that my own nation does have this problem, I can't say some agriculture huge corporations are not making more with less, maybe they are but the regular farmers in my nation do not produce as much as they used to.

Not only the food prices are huge, and I mean really huge, but it is also true that they need trucks to come pick them up and take it to grocery stores, which means gas, and that is higher as well. So all in all it is not dong better, the % of my salary I spend on food doubled in the past 2-3 years, pandemic played a role, but it has not recovered so far.

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current desalination is not cheap and trying to evaporate a pool of water is not quick.. deeper the pool slower the evaporation
EG reservoirs evaporation rate is (even shocking to me) 70-80% evaporation a year - i did not think that much was wasted

which is only 0.21% a day

where as a 1cm thick puddle can be 100% a day
but this land space needed to 100% evaporate a day would take up all land in a thermo-dome system

however if instead of a puddle/pool/reservoir using solar/sun as heat for cheap but slow thermo-dome evaporation
they had mirrors to multiply heat. and also instead of pools, they use sprays to already have sea water as mist thus even more efficiently evaporate it

i always though it was crazy to have a pool/puddle dome where it should be a mist dome

as for reverse osmosis which relies on pressured water.
i thought it was crazy to pump water horizontally then need further pumps for pressure

just put the RO filters UNDER the ocean vertically, to use gravity. where the shear weight of the ocean trying to escape down the hole provides the pressure

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Quote from: Quidat on December 22, 2022, 05:59:22 PM

Quote from: Lubang Bawah on December 22, 2022, 05:15:10 AM

Extreme weather is indeed the biggest problem for agriculture, many countries do everything to overcome extreme weather but not yet successful, of course, it has a direct impact on agricultural products, which is a lot of failed to harvest so that it makes the price of agricultural materials soaring, and vegetable .

Yes, this would be the primary reason but we dont know if this one is really that real or just making out alibis just to make these supplies really that soaring up in price.
If we do talk about climate change then it is really that happening but there are still places which arent really that affected much which there's no point on raising up the value
if its not really that truly affected.

As this is not avoidable, the impact of climate change and all the other factors attached to it,
people should think of ways on how to cope up with this situation.
Much better if you can tend a small garden and produce your own vegetables.
Some are even doing their small hydroponics outside their house.
And if you have a lil bit extra of your produce, you can barter it with your neighbors.
What I am saying is, if you have your chance of becoming self-sufficient, why not grab it?
Find your own little ways of helping yourself, because no one will take care of your needs.

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Quote from: Lubang Bawah on December 22, 2022, 05:15:10 AM

Extreme weather is indeed the biggest problem for agriculture, many countries do everything to overcome extreme weather but not yet successful, of course, it has a direct impact on agricultural products, which is a lot of failed to harvest so that it makes the price of agricultural materials soaring, and vegetable .

Yes, this would be the primary reason but we dont know if this one is really that real or just making out alibis just to make these supplies really that soaring up in price.
If we do talk about climate change then it is really that happening but there are still places which arent really that affected much which there's no point on raising up the value
if its not really that truly affected.If these things were real then its not already that surprising where goods and commodities do soar up its value or price
over the period of time which its not shocking anymore.

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I am not surprised at this, this same thing is happening in Nigeria and the situation is much worse here.
food crops like -
Yam
potatoes
Rice
Beans , and so on, have increased more than 100 percent in their prices when compared to what their prices were at this time last year, the supposed reason for this is a flood that ravaged some parts of the country during August/September this year which was said to have destroyed a lot of farm crops and even rendered many farmers homeless.
Its a great relieve that the year 2022 is coming to an end, this years hasn't been good to not just crypto but also to several economic activities, lets be hopeful and pray that the coming year come with glad tidings.

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Article is suggesting that the crops are dying due to climate change are completely unsubstantiated. Crops die every year in harsh/severe weather. Attributing weather anomalies to climate change is dishonest.

Anyways, if the price of food rises then it's usually warranted that the government provide greater subsidies to the agricultural sector than it already does. Corn and wheat are already subsidized -- if the supply dips severely which would threaten food supplies, then the U.S. government has more than enough resources to increase production. Effects won't be immediate, obviously, but it helps for the future.

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Quote from: pooya87 on December 22, 2022, 08:30:13 AM

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There is no doubt about that, because technology has undoubtedly changed the way we produce food, but it has also drastically reduced the quality of food due to faster production and higher yields. I watched a documentary about tomatoes and the way their production has changed through the decades, and that the most important thing for the producers is appearance and longevity, while they don't care at all about the nutritional value and harmful ingredients that are in the final product. Consequently, today's industrial tomato has lost almost 50% of its nutritional value that it once had.

The most tragic thing in the whole story is the fact that most of today's young people do not know what a tomato, cucumber or pepper really tastes like. This is why it is definitely worth producing your own vegetables, even in small quantities - but only if you can get old and unmodified seeds, which are increasingly difficult to find.

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Quote from: Nhazwrath on December 22, 2022, 07:27:11 AM

Humanity produces four times the food on 2/3s Less land then we did 100 years ago.
Things are getting BETTER. Not worse.

Things have actually gotten both better an worse Tongue

Obviously technology has helped increase the efficiency and reduce waste so now we are seeing more yields and better products which is the good part. But at the same time a large part of the agriculture industry specially in the West has been genetically manipulating crops to increase production and efficiency that has led to reduced product quality that can even cause cancer! Which is the bad part.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 21, 2022, 12:59:20 AM

Extreme weather plays its part, but at the same time we are ignoring other factors. From what I have seen in my area, more and more fertile farmland is being converted in to residential and industrial areas. And it is no coincidence that most of the major urban areas in the world are located in the vicinity of prime agricultural land. And secondly, human population continues to grow at an astounding pace. The crop yields are not raising to cope up with this growth in population. As a result land that is less suitable for agriculture is being used for that purpose, resulting in reduced agricultural output.

This is actually incorrect.

Humanity produces four times the food on 2/3s Less land then we did 100 years ago.

So no, we are not in any danger of running out of food or running out of argi space.

Any food scarcity we have is close to 100% political problems. and as usual then blame something other then whats actually true.

Things are getting BETTER. Not worse.

https://www.humanprogress.org/things-are-getting-better/

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Extreme weather is indeed the biggest problem for agriculture, many countries do everything to overcome extreme weather but not yet successful, of course, it has a direct impact on agricultural products, which is a lot of failed to harvest so that it makes the price of agricultural materials soaring, and vegetable .

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