it is getting worse isn't the inflation rate high crops fail under extreme weather the climate change is real right. I also heard like moneyprism said there is farm that using AI 100% for their crop start from planting till harvesting using Ultraviolet control humidity and so on.
Topic: Vegetable Prices Soar 40% as Crops Fail Under Extreme Weather - page 2. (Read 435 times)
December 21, 2022, 01:27:23 AM
December 21, 2022, 12:59:20 AM
Extreme weather plays its part, but at the same time we are ignoring other factors. From what I have seen in my area, more and more fertile farmland is being converted in to residential and industrial areas. And it is no coincidence that most of the major urban areas in the world are located in the vicinity of prime agricultural land. And secondly, human population continues to grow at an astounding pace. The crop yields are not raising to cope up with this growth in population. As a result land that is less suitable for agriculture is being used for that purpose, resulting in reduced agricultural output.
December 20, 2022, 02:00:31 PM
I would prefer vertical farming over artificial rain technology. Lets be honest, we are a stage in world where you could buy a big warehouse and raise enough food for a whole town, just in a warehouse, we are talking about that much capability.
It will occur naturally, it is important to maintain a source of water that can flow throughout the agricultural land, so that the water supply is sufficient to revive any plant or vegetable, unfortunately the natural water supply begins to decrease due to many factors.Quote
Normally when we are talking about regular farming you would need so much land, but with vertical farming, specially when we are talking about aqua farming, where you do not even use dirt but just water, that looks like it's going to be impossible the be more efficient. That is why it's quite important to realize that it's not a big deal and it's definitely not a situation where things could ever be considered going bad, we have a great future for sure.
In Japan agriculture no longer uses large areas of land, rice can be planted with relatively small land, vegetables can also be used to be planted in various ways without the need for large areas of land, sophistication in agriculture is enough to help many countries that do not have large areas of land, advanced technology available sometimes not utilized. 
December 20, 2022, 12:47:54 PM
There are many factors that affect the increase in the prices of agricultural products and climate change is one of them. Climate change can cause many changes that can have an impact on the production of agricultural products. For example, factors such as heat waves, water availability and soil quality can affect the production of agricultural products. These changes may affect the prices of agricultural products but to what extent and how they will affect it can be difficult to predict. For example, the prices of some agricultural products may decrease or increase due to climate change. For this reason, i think it may be difficult to make a clear judgment about the extent to which the prices of agricultural products will change due to climate change.
December 20, 2022, 11:55:17 AM
Fresh and green vegetables are a very
I would prefer vertical farming over artificial rain technology. Let's be honest, we are a stage in world where you could buy a big warehouse and raise enough food for a whole town, just in a warehouse, we are talking about that much capability.
Vertical Farming, Artificial rain or even desalination are not cheap, they are expensive which means that if vegetables are grown with those methods, the prices will still be high because the farmer will need to add up all the cost to ensure he still makes his profit. Vegetable prices are on the rise, and I am worried for those who will not be able to afford it because vegetables and greens in our diets are essentials. The only way that Vertical Farming and other methods described as solution will work properly to serve everyone at an affordable rate, it means they have to be set up and managed by the government to sell vegetables at a subsidized rate. December 19, 2022, 04:19:41 PM
Maybe artificial rain technology is important to do at certain times such as very dry droughts, but it is not recommended to do it on a long-term scale because it will affect soil fertility and soil pollution. After all, artificial rain usually contains too much salt.
Also, when this technology is implemented on a large scale and continuously, it will affect the hydrological cycle which will endanger the water supply in the soil during the dry season.
Maybe all of this happened because farmers in California used this technology several years ago so that agricultural land cannot hold water in it so it dries up easily when the dry season arrives.
I would prefer vertical farming over artificial rain technology. Lets be honest, we are a stage in world where you could buy a big warehouse and raise enough food for a whole town, just in a warehouse, we are talking about that much capability.Also, when this technology is implemented on a large scale and continuously, it will affect the hydrological cycle which will endanger the water supply in the soil during the dry season.
Maybe all of this happened because farmers in California used this technology several years ago so that agricultural land cannot hold water in it so it dries up easily when the dry season arrives.
Normally when we are talking about regular farming you would need so much land, but with vertical farming, specially when we are talking about aqua farming, where you do not even use dirt but just water, that looks like it's going to be impossible the be more efficient. That is why it's quite important to realize that it's not a big deal and it's definitely not a situation where things could ever be considered going bad, we have a great future for sure.
December 19, 2022, 02:54:48 PM
This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water).
If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a big quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy.
If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a big quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy.
Desalination will be the most effective solution and can be used for the long term, apart from using artificial rain technology, apart from that there are other methods such as drilling water wells to a certain depth, but this must be considered carefully, do not drill carelessly into the ground, otherwise there is a ground reset for drilling, it is better not to drill because it can release more harmful substances from the ground.
What harmful substances you mean, Radon?
Also, I do not think drilling for water is the best solution because it cannot be a long time solution for the a constant increase of the demand for fresh water, those wells can dry out and the impact of those empty water reservoirs underground can be dangerous for the structures placed on the surface, entire buildings could start to sink, resulting in millions of dollars in damages.
Even though, desalination uses a lot of energy I still believe it is one of the best potential solutions we have.
December 19, 2022, 07:44:37 AM
Vegetable prices in the U.S. are around 40% higher this year and experts are saying climate change has played a prominent role. Bloomberg is reporting that Arizona produces 90% of leafy greens in the U.S. from November through March each year, but crop production has been greatly affected this year by a drought forming from reduced water levels in the Colorado River.
this is the reason why technology plays such an important role in overcoming crop failures like this .. with technology we can manipulate the weather and grow crops without worrying about crop failure or pest attacks .. even though developing this kind of technology is quite expensive, but in the long run it will really worth it
Maybe artificial rain technology is important to do at certain times such as very dry droughts, but it is not recommended to do it on a long-term scale because it will affect soil fertility and soil pollution. After all, artificial rain usually contains too much salt.
Also, when this technology is implemented on a large scale and continuously, it will affect the hydrological cycle which will endanger the water supply in the soil during the dry season.
Maybe all of this happened because farmers in California used this technology several years ago so that agricultural land cannot hold water in it so it dries up easily when the dry season arrives.
This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water).
If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a big quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy.
If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a big quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy.
Desalination will be the most effective solution and can be used for the long term, apart from using artificial rain technology, apart from that there are other methods such as drilling water wells to a certain depth, but this must be considered carefully, do not drill carelessly into the ground, otherwise there is a ground reset for drilling, it is better not to drill because it can release more harmful substances from the ground.
December 19, 2022, 07:01:50 AM
Oh look, Moar fear pron.
Wait until you learn that Only 10,000 years ago we still had giant ice sheets in the north. And the great lakes were pretty close to 1 great lake instead of 5. why? natural climate change.
I am still waiting on that extreme weather from the 80's (acid rain)that didn't happen.. Missing Ozone layer...also didn't happen... or the ice free arctic from the 2000s that didn't happen. Or that fact we are all dead from net neutrality...(I know, its not climate related... or is it?)
And on and on and on.
Facts never once mentioned in articles that deal with Climate change. What is the primary green house gas? And in what proportion? (its H2O BTW at about 65% to 85% total greenhouse gases) varies between deserts and oceans.
I can tell you whats its not. It's Not CO2 (under 0.01% BTW) not even close.
If its not co2 then, the ideas of man made climate change falls flat very quickly.
As a matter of fact it falls in to the realm of children's logic. "This is somehow my fault" and "Oh... whats did I do wrong?"
Remember that grant time article about fusion? This is the Same thing. But with climate scientists looking for their continued gravy train of grant money.
Wait until you learn that Only 10,000 years ago we still had giant ice sheets in the north. And the great lakes were pretty close to 1 great lake instead of 5. why? natural climate change.
I am still waiting on that extreme weather from the 80's (acid rain)that didn't happen.. Missing Ozone layer...also didn't happen... or the ice free arctic from the 2000s that didn't happen. Or that fact we are all dead from net neutrality...(I know, its not climate related... or is it?)
And on and on and on.
Facts never once mentioned in articles that deal with Climate change. What is the primary green house gas? And in what proportion? (its H2O BTW at about 65% to 85% total greenhouse gases) varies between deserts and oceans.
I can tell you whats its not. It's Not CO2 (under 0.01% BTW) not even close.
If its not co2 then, the ideas of man made climate change falls flat very quickly.
As a matter of fact it falls in to the realm of children's logic. "This is somehow my fault" and "Oh... whats did I do wrong?"
Remember that grant time article about fusion? This is the Same thing. But with climate scientists looking for their continued gravy train of grant money.
December 19, 2022, 06:20:53 AM
This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water).
Unfortunately that is extremely harmful to the environment and the cost isn't that low either. It destroys the local fish and other sea animals' life (so it also ruins fishing market) and the remainder salt and other impurities has to be disposed usually in the middle of the sea which is costly.Yes, number one factor is the cost.
Here, even the cost of onions, has exceeded as well and so as other vegetables, I'm from Asia so it's doesn't make sense but then again, due to climate change, (we are in December, and around this time, there should be no rain, but we experience occasion rain pour which is very uncanny at this time of the year).
And going back to onions, I remember I have planted a good amount, maybe more than 10 years ago, but that it was a bad timing as the market was over saturated and lost my investment. And thinking now that we have shortage? Time really change for the worst.
December 19, 2022, 05:04:35 AM
This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water).
Unfortunately that is extremely harmful to the environment and the cost isn't that low either. It destroys the local fish and other sea animals' life (so it also ruins fishing market) and the remainder salt and other impurities has to be disposed usually in the middle of the sea which is costly. 
December 18, 2022, 06:24:47 PM
The US is not the only one experiencing these extreme price rises in vegetables recently. Here in the Philippines, the cost of onions soared over 200% within the last 6 months, and even though crop farming is good since there aren't that much typhoons that devastated the farmlands that produce these things, the gov't can't do something about the price of the produce and have just suggested people to be 'thrifty' in any way they can. Other greens such as cabbage and lettuce have also experienced price increases over the months, although not as harsh as onions and chilis but you can feel it in your pocket. Imagine trying to be healthy and eat healthy, but the prices of green produce which should be a cheap and viable option is now more expensive than chicken, pork, and beef per kilo. 
That is correct - in our country the prices of vegetables have increased to the extremethe poor community is so upset that for them it is very difficult for them to purchase the vegetables at such high prices.
December 16, 2022, 09:16:28 PM
What options do those with less disposable income have? A pack of seeds can cost as low as $5 which could conceivably allow for percentage interest on gains within an entry level setting. If it is possible to grow $50 of food from a $5 pack of seeds, then in theory 10x return on investment becomes possible.
its not a 10x on investment
that pack of seeds contains say 20 seeds that are viable
yes they may produce more then a yield of tomato's that are equivalent to the retail grocery store of $50 of tomato's..
but those 20 tomato plants end up needing a litre of water a day per plant
(i too grew tomato plants on my balcony. they do love water)
the cost per cubic metre of water and the couple months of maintenance time eats into the $50 value equivalent of retail bought tomato's
in short although you yielded more then $50 of retail yield of tomato's. it cost YOU more then $50 of water/maintenance to get that $50 retail yield. which means you were operating at a loss.. though i gotta admit ;grow your own' are a better tasting loss than the taste of the bland retail tomato's
December 16, 2022, 06:42:01 PM
The US is not the only one experiencing these extreme price rises in vegetables recently. Here in the Philippines, the cost of onions soared over 200% within the last 6 months, and even though crop farming is good since there aren't that much typhoons that devastated the farmlands that produce these things, the gov't can't do something about the price of the produce and have just suggested people to be 'thrifty' in any way they can. Other greens such as cabbage and lettuce have also experienced price increases over the months, although not as harsh as onions and chilis but you can feel it in your pocket. Imagine trying to be healthy and eat healthy, but the prices of green produce which should be a cheap and viable option is now more expensive than chicken, pork, and beef per kilo.
December 16, 2022, 06:41:48 PM
My country is also experiencing these global challenges, especially in the Lake Chad Basin which has led to bloody conflicts and food crisis. It is the role of the government to ensure that these farmers have access to water because not doing that would cause the scarcity of essential food crops. Drilling of water boreholes in farms could also help in the course of searching for water sources.
Perishables like vegetables are very easy to plant and maintain which makes it a potential garden plants. Creating awareness on the need to plant few vegetables in family gardens might also help reduce the cost of these plants. The rise in population has increased the rate of urbanization in some countries. Which have led to using farmlands for housing projects. Home gardens even in rooftops could be an important practice that can enhance household nutrition and food security.
Perishables like vegetables are very easy to plant and maintain which makes it a potential garden plants. Creating awareness on the need to plant few vegetables in family gardens might also help reduce the cost of these plants. The rise in population has increased the rate of urbanization in some countries. Which have led to using farmlands for housing projects. Home gardens even in rooftops could be an important practice that can enhance household nutrition and food security.
December 16, 2022, 04:30:40 PM
Another approach could be for stablecoins pegged to the value of agriculture commodities. For example, if there was a theoretical crypto token called potato coin, which guaranteed it could be exchanged for 5 potatos. Said crypto token could be pegged to the value of potato commodities. This could be useful in various circumstances. Can anyone guess how?
I don't know what a potato farmer can gain from a cryptocurrency called Potato Coin? In the end, the farmer is interested in converting the value of the potatoes into dollars, so who will determine how much this crypto token is worth?
I do not know how things are going there in the United States, but here in my country it is not the farmers who determine the price of potatoes, nor even the government, but the brokers!!!
The broker is the one who buys potatoes from the farmer and sells it to the consumer at the price that he determines. He earns much more than the farmer and does not care about the farmer's real production cost and how much he paid for water, fertilizer, workers, and so on.
The farmer here only earns a little for all the effort and money he spent on producing potatoes, while the broker gets the biggest profit without any effort!!!!
December 16, 2022, 03:48:55 PM
This makes me think whether the solution to water scarcity in the future will depend on our Desalination capacity (turn water from the ocean into potable water).
If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a large quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy.
It would be also productive to use that obtained water efficiently, I have read some articles on how watering plants is better at night, since the evaporation rates are slower, for obvious reasons.
If I recall correctly, it is a process which consumes a large quantity of energy but it may be worth a shot to industrialize it, ideally using renewable energy or nuclear energy.
It would be also productive to use that obtained water efficiently, I have read some articles on how watering plants is better at night, since the evaporation rates are slower, for obvious reasons.
The problem of water desalination is one of the most important in today's world. One of the main problems is that most of the desalination technologies consume a lot of energy.
So far, there are no highly efficient / high-performance technologies for water purification / desalination, without supplying large capacities.
But the light of a solution loomed on the horizon - thermonuclear energy! Just a couple of days ago, very positive information appeared that it was possible to get a controlled, controlled reaction, with 120% of the output energy in relation to the expended. If this technology is transferred to commercial operation, the issue of desalination will be instantly resolved
And when people talk about climate change, many people think that it's a fud and not a real thing. This is it, the bone dry California, the monsoon rains in Florida, the Chinese weather, the Ukraine war, and all the things in between.
Just because there is a global warming, do not think that it's only about warning, it's about cold being too cold, and hot being too hot that is why they changed it to climate change instead of global warming so people would understand. The prices will soar even more, and weather will be even worse, and drinkable water will be even more hard to find, that is all we can do right now and nothing else.
Just because there is a global warming, do not think that it's only about warning, it's about cold being too cold, and hot being too hot that is why they changed it to climate change instead of global warming so people would understand. The prices will soar even more, and weather will be even worse, and drinkable water will be even more hard to find, that is all we can do right now and nothing else.
#1 How about you go back to one of your countless threads in which you ask yourself this identical question - or show us with your own example how this whole operation, which we can call "from seed to product" works in practice?
#2 Again, I ask you to show with a concrete example the famous tokenization of everything in the world
#1 I have done it. But rather than sell for profit, I wound up eating my produce instead. What would you like to know about it? Do I get credit for predicting the price of agriculture was going up and recommending others invest in the sector?
#2 You shouldn't have to ask for information or examples, you should already know the answer. I'll give you one example:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61353854
There you see the african nation of ghana choosing to make oil payments in gold rather than its native currency the ceti. Making payments in gold allows it to avoid inefficiencies and losses due to inflation.
The same could be said of stablecoins pegged to agriculture. Buying potatos in a stablecoin pegged directly to the commodity would make it possible to circumvent inflation virtually identical to ghana using gold to avoid inflation on their own native currency. A stablecoin pegged to 5 pounds of potatos is the same no matter which direction inflation trends. Which could be useful for protecting the cost of agricultural produce from inflation. However, a stablecoin like this would not be protected from trends in supply.
What options do those with less disposable income have? A pack of seeds can cost as low as $5 which could conceivably allow for percentage interest on gains within an entry level setting. If it is possible to grow $50 of food from a $5 pack of seeds, then in theory 10x return on investment becomes possible.
How about you go back to one of your countless threads in which you ask yourself this identical question - or show us with your own example how this whole operation, which we can call "from seed to product" works in practice? In the whole thing, you forget how much time, effort and knowledge you need to invest in producing $50 worth of food from $5 seeds - not to mention the costs of fertilizers, crop protection from diseases, water and protection from the sun, hail and wind.
Another approach could be for stablecoins pegged to the value of agriculture commodities. For example, if there was a theoretical crypto token called potato coin, which guaranteed it could be exchanged for 5 potatos. Said crypto token could be pegged to the value of potato commodities. This could be useful in various circumstances. Can anyone guess how?
Again, I ask you to show with a concrete example the famous tokenization of everything in the world, including tomatoes? These are crazy ideas that lead to nothing but the downfall of anyone who would try something like that - haven't we established that countless times already, should I post links to all the threads in which you present such ideas?
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