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legendary
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Guys, if your system crashes on cgminer quit, read my post (Linux only)
legendary
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OMG how I missed this coin?! It seems will became a cave for all GPU miners when scrypt ASICS coming.

VTC: VxyRQWAzxWPWhvqYhEUCTSBVJQ2GtDJza8
legendary
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Forget-about-it
very helpful everyone with the core technicality vs the marketing.  I hope to follow the development of both sides from here Cheesy
newbie
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get it on cryptsy

get i on bter
 
get in on coin EX

SUPPORT

NOW
full member
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We need to get this coin on more exchanges, just need some time I guess.

Just some random fly-by observer thoughts:

This coin is really compelling, it's a nice evolution of the scrypt clones we've had lately. Some thoughtful development went into it. It's got a lot of the things going for it that should make it a popular coin.

But it suffers from community size, promotion and lack of pool acceptance (due to how the coin works I would guess).

Some things that it would benefit from would be:

- Devs getting it onto more pools. Maybe offer them a bounty or something to get it on something like Nut2, Dedicated Pools or any of the other moderately sized pools that are active in alt-coin mining.

- Get it on CoinEX or CoinmarketIO. The attention even getting on a minor exchange would help.

- Some of the standard promo things, like giveaways, faucets, etc. would help

- I don't know if it's possible, but could this be made to work with CGMiner somehow? I'd much rather download something to add to my CGMiner, or download a modified CGMiner that i can specify VTC mining (something like using "vert" instead of "scrypt" in kernel config...i dunno).

I think the coin benefits from more publicity, more hashrate primarily.



I think we need something useful to do with the coins or is that further down the road.  just holding or trading is great but the value doesnt increase if theres nothing else to be done with them no matter how fantastic N factor is.

From the Interview at: http://www.followthecoin.com/interview-creator-vertcoin/

Q:
"Vertcoin seems like it’s built around the technical concept of the coin itself, rather than being built on the marketing/brand power behind it. The official site is very barebones, there’s no flashy giveaways, no official bounties listed in the announcement thread, etc. Do you think having a coin that is different from others on a code level will be enough for it to grow and remain successful? Or do you have plans in place to increase marketing presence down the road?

A:
I don’t think technically it is a completely success formula yet, but it is a core that we should have first. Later when it’s more technically complete, we can create a marketing brand based around that."

i really like this attitude and i see vtc als long term investment. we have enough of this crash and burn coins ....
newbie
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To anyone who wants to quickly hack BAMT to use vertminer do this as root:

Code:
git clone https://github.com/Bufius/vertminer-gpu.git /tmp/vertminer
cd /tmp/vertminer
./buildit.sh
cp -R /tmp/vertminer /opt/miners/vertminer
cp /opt/miners/cgminer/ADL_SDK/* /opt/miners/vertminer/ADL_SDK/

Then create your vertminer.conf file in /etc/bamt/

Now edit /opt/bamt/gpumon...

Modify the IF loop around line 374-ish like so:

Code:
if (${$conf}{'gpu'.$key}{'cgminer'})
{
        ## MODIFIED FOR VERTMINER!
        # system("screen -r cgminer");
         system("screen -r vertminer");
}

Then edit /opt/bamt/common.pl...

Modify the ELSIF loop around line 960 like so:

Code:
elsif ($pid == 0)
{
        $ENV{DISPLAY} = ":0";
        $ENV{LD_LIBRARY_PATH} = "/opt/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx32/lib/x86/:";
        $ENV{GPU_USE_SYNC_OBJECTS} = "1";

        ## MODIFIED FOR VERTMINER!
        # my $cmd = "cd /opt/miners/cgminer;/usr/bin/screen -d -m -S cgminer /opt/miners/cgminer/cgminer $args";
        my $cmd = "cd /opt/miners/vertminer;/usr/bin/screen -d -m -S vertminer /opt/miners/vertminer/vertminer $args";

Restart your miners and you should be using vertminer.

I'm now in the middle of creating my own ubuntu 13.10 live distro which includes BAMT and is dedicated for vertcoin - will start a thread when I get a chance.

If this was helpful to anyone hit me up with some LTC or VTC - I'm poor  Smiley
V: Vo49uyrJdQaYzpygauqw5WBgPTMyfN6sGP
L: Lewz5683RUKfSidU7rofN6bheiqYafNU7S

xx

MB
sr. member
Activity: 504
Merit: 251
Quote

I think we need something useful to do with the coins or is that further down the road.  just holding or trading is great but the value doesnt increase if theres nothing else to be done with them no matter how fantastic N factor is.

That applies to pretty much every coin created since Bitcoin (excepting DTC and NMC, maybe a few others).  Litecoin's main reason to exist at the time was to be GPU then ASIC resistant.  Technology caught up.  VTC in a lot of ways of a fine-tuning of the original Litecoin.

Vertcoin seems to bring combo of ASIC and multipool resistance - ASIC so that the network stays distributed and secure vs the central control that ASICs are bringing to Bitcoin.  Total hashpower is grow 30% or so each diff jump, but the number of individuals participating shrinks as the barrier to entry gets higher.  

Multipools pretty much crush any Scrypt-based alt into a difficulty pit that is hard to climb out over and over again, resulting in crazy long block times, which makes the coins unusable for people actually wanting to utilize them for commerce.

CPU-only coins sound great until one realizes that they end up being botnet coins which almost no one can profitably mine legally.  

Those three things, while not exciting, are definitely things that any new crypto needs to address.  VTC is pretty timely in that respect.

Is Vertcoin some revolutionary change to cryptocurrency?  No.  Is it taking lessons learned over the last 5 years of what works and what doesnt?  I'd say yes, with the caveat that a faster adjusting diff would have made a better coin, albeit less profitable and harder to get started.



Wow, that is fantastic post!

But how do you know multipools wont dominate this?
Only because you cant run one cgminer that will mine scrypt and this modif scrypt in one application? So mabye having 2 cgminers turned on which will be both connected to same pool which turns of scrypt and turns on vert, and then back would work?
sr. member
Activity: 504
Merit: 251

- I don't know if it's possible, but could this be made to work with CGMiner somehow? I'd much rather download something to add to my CGMiner, or download a modified CGMiner that i can specify VTC mining (something like using "vert" instead of "scrypt" in kernel config...i dunno).


I think It's already implemented in main cgminer branch. Use -scrypt:2048

regards

Is it? Can you use cgminer 3.7.2 and just write scrypt:2048 and it will mine vert?? I am using modified cgminer which is on first page here.. Can performance differ?
Anyway, wert is superb coin.. I love it.. such good feeling knowing that f*****g ASICs wont dominate at least this coin.. mmm
member
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Merit: 10
Quote

I think we need something useful to do with the coins or is that further down the road.  just holding or trading is great but the value doesnt increase if theres nothing else to be done with them no matter how fantastic N factor is.

That applies to pretty much every coin created since Bitcoin (excepting DTC and NMC, maybe a few others).  Litecoin's main reason to exist at the time was to be GPU then ASIC resistant.  Technology caught up.  VTC in a lot of ways of a fine-tuning of the original Litecoin.

Vertcoin seems to bring combo of ASIC and multipool resistance - ASIC so that the network stays distributed and secure vs the central control that ASICs are bringing to Bitcoin.  Total hashpower is grow 30% or so each diff jump, but the number of individuals participating shrinks as the barrier to entry gets higher.  

Multipools pretty much crush any Scrypt-based alt into a difficulty pit that is hard to climb out over and over again, resulting in crazy long block times, which makes the coins unusable for people actually wanting to utilize them for commerce.

CPU-only coins sound great until one realizes that they end up being botnet coins which almost no one can profitably mine legally.  

Those three things, while not exciting, are definitely things that any new crypto needs to address.  VTC is pretty timely in that respect.

Is Vertcoin some revolutionary change to cryptocurrency?  No.  Is it taking lessons learned over the last 5 years of what works and what doesnt?  I'd say yes, with the caveat that a faster adjusting diff would have made a better coin, albeit less profitable and harder to get started.

legendary
Activity: 1610
Merit: 1008
Forget-about-it
We need to get this coin on more exchanges, just need some time I guess.

Just some random fly-by observer thoughts:

This coin is really compelling, it's a nice evolution of the scrypt clones we've had lately. Some thoughtful development went into it. It's got a lot of the things going for it that should make it a popular coin.

But it suffers from community size, promotion and lack of pool acceptance (due to how the coin works I would guess).

Some things that it would benefit from would be:

- Devs getting it onto more pools. Maybe offer them a bounty or something to get it on something like Nut2, Dedicated Pools or any of the other moderately sized pools that are active in alt-coin mining.

- Get it on CoinEX or CoinmarketIO. The attention even getting on a minor exchange would help.

- Some of the standard promo things, like giveaways, faucets, etc. would help

- I don't know if it's possible, but could this be made to work with CGMiner somehow? I'd much rather download something to add to my CGMiner, or download a modified CGMiner that i can specify VTC mining (something like using "vert" instead of "scrypt" in kernel config...i dunno).

I think the coin benefits from more publicity, more hashrate primarily.



I think we need something useful to do with the coins or is that further down the road.  just holding or trading is great but the value doesnt increase if theres nothing else to be done with them no matter how fantastic N factor is.
newbie
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If anyones interested I can create a vertminer version of BAMT 1.3?

Lemme know if anyone is interested and I'll make it tonight!  I've got it running already - just need to customise it a little more for vert...

MB

I would be very interested as all my LTC-miners runn with BAMT 1.2!!
member
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- I don't know if it's possible, but could this be made to work with CGMiner somehow? I'd much rather download something to add to my CGMiner, or download a modified CGMiner that i can specify VTC mining (something like using "vert" instead of "scrypt" in kernel config...i dunno).


I think It's already implemented in main cgminer branch. Use -scrypt:2048

regards
newbie
Activity: 9
Merit: 0
If anyones interested I can create a vertminer version of BAMT 1.3?

Lemme know if anyone is interested and I'll make it tonight!  I've got it running already - just need to customise it a little more for vert...

MB
member
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Can't sync ...
pls give me some new nodes
THX!! Wink Wink Wink
sr. member
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We need to get this coin on more exchanges, just need some time I guess.

Just some random fly-by observer thoughts:

This coin is really compelling, it's a nice evolution of the scrypt clones we've had lately. Some thoughtful development went into it. It's got a lot of the things going for it that should make it a popular coin.

But it suffers from community size, promotion and lack of pool acceptance (due to how the coin works I would guess).

Some things that it would benefit from would be:

- Devs getting it onto more pools. Maybe offer them a bounty or something to get it on something like Nut2, Dedicated Pools or any of the other moderately sized pools that are active in alt-coin mining.

- Get it on CoinEX or CoinmarketIO. The attention even getting on a minor exchange would help.

- Some of the standard promo things, like giveaways, faucets, etc. would help

- I don't know if it's possible, but could this be made to work with CGMiner somehow? I'd much rather download something to add to my CGMiner, or download a modified CGMiner that i can specify VTC mining (something like using "vert" instead of "scrypt" in kernel config...i dunno).

I think the coin benefits from more publicity, more hashrate primarily.

full member
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sr. member
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confused developer
We need to get this coin on more exchanges, just need some time I guess.
full member
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Totally agree with your observation regarding coindup, it's so slow. It's good we are on an exchange, but for trading, i have found it almost unusable at times.

I share peoples frustration that CoinedUp can be a bit slow, but let's also look on the positive side - it's free, and it's a great launchpad for an innovative coin like VTC. It must be a bit of a thankless task running a _free_ service that everyone complains about!

you are still lucky if you can trade, i can't even deposit anything [deposit address not found] on every coin ... no answer so far from support.
(any hint welcome Smiley)
i think the poeple at coinedUP is working on better performence tough
newbie
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Updated Vertminer (thanks Bufius) now linked from www.vertcoin.org



what are the improvements ?

See the link on www.vertcoin.org to the ChangeLog - it will remain updated as future releases come out.

Thanks mate.  Smiley
full member
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I think in 1 month the coin wil be around 0.0025 . Scroll back to this message on 22-2 and you will see i was right!

Yes, I have been quietly mulling over prices, I think you're about right for a 1 month target.
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