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woot

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Quote from: jwinterm on August 29, 2014, 06:00:36 PM

Quote from: woot on August 29, 2014, 04:24:27 PM

it seems like it will just adjust the algo to something like x11, but does it change the memory hardness schedule?

Lyra2 is a completely new (password hashing) algo, not used in any cryptocurrency. Lyra2RE is Lyra2 with reduced efficiency by chaining with other algos (like x11). It's not clear if vert is going to become multi-algo (lyra2 and lyra2RE) or one or the other or what, tbh...

Now is this at all similar to Aptcoin's algorithm? I have heard that they are doing some reduced efficancy stuff by having high n factors. But if the coin used something similar to x11 wouldn’t it be "more" efficient because the x11 uses less memory? I guess alot of this is yet to be determined.

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Quote from: woot on August 29, 2014, 04:24:27 PM

it seems like it will just adjust the algo to something like x11, but does it change the memory hardness schedule?

Lyra2 is a completely new (password hashing) algo, not used in any cryptocurrency. Lyra2RE is Lyra2 with reduced efficiency by chaining with other algos (like x11). It's not clear if vert is going to become multi-algo (lyra2 and lyra2RE) or one or the other or what, tbh...

woot

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it seems like it will just adjust the algo to something like x11, but does it change the memory hardness schedule?

woot

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I have not heard of the lyra2re, What exactly does that do?

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Quote from: woot on August 29, 2014, 02:31:34 PM

How ASIC resistant is vert anyways? It seems like once the demand comes ASIC's will follow.
The posted schedule of varying N factor makes it seem as if it would be profitable to build an ASIC even if it is only good for the time the schedule is in that N factor.
Concidering that current ASIC tech is completely obsolete in a matter of month's, the 2 year N factor hold would be no real barrier to building ASIC's for this coin.

Are there any coins which use a varying Nfactor on a per block basis? I feel like that may be more effective in the long run. at least then you would need several machines to cover the gamut of N factors in play. And even if they had ASIC's they would not fair really well at the high N factors. leaving room for CPU's. GPU's and ASIC's to lay their claim on certain blocks but not others.

Maybe you haven't heard but the algo is being completely changed, there will be a hardfork in the next month or three to lyra2:

https://vertcoin.org/lyra2re/

woot

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How ASIC resistant is vert anyways? It seems like once the demand comes ASIC's will follow.
The posted schedule of varying N factor makes it seem as if it would be profitable to build an ASIC even if it is only good for the time the schedule is in that N factor.
Concidering that current ASIC tech is completely obsolete in a matter of month's, the 2 year N factor hold would be no real barrier to building ASIC's for this coin.

Are there any coins which use a varying Nfactor on a per block basis? I feel like that may be more effective in the long run. at least then you would need several machines to cover the gamut of N factors in play. And even if they had ASIC's they would not fair really well at the high N factors. leaving room for CPU's. GPU's and ASIC's to lay their claim on certain blocks but not others.

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Quote from: TheCoinFinder on August 27, 2014, 05:19:11 PM

Where is the scrypt-n asic? They are coming out.. but ive not seen a released one yet.

Or are you referring to the cloud mining contract that can do Scrypt-N or X11.. as in the FPGA.. and as we know FPGAs arent as efficient as GPUs at scrypt/scrypt-n. So its better to use a gpu mining contract than a fpga one with scrypt-n

If Scrypt ASICs are made, scrypt-N ASICS can be also taped out but not for sale. May be it's a conspiracy theory, but why not to develop an ASIC with the similar algo, although it has (twice ?) more logic and higher memory bandwidth. ASICS are cheap at mass production, so there will be little price difference compared to scrypt ones.

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Quote from: cubevtc on August 26, 2014, 12:06:47 AM

That is good. Does Bushido go to #vertcoin freenode too?

Not really anymore, unless he's just lurking...

songhuizong

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Mining VTC is just as hot as LTC Angry

rembrandtt

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Quote from: rembrandtt on August 27, 2014, 07:58:36 PM

Seems safe to say VTC price really reached bottom. Time to accumulate.

I thought that at .10 cents, and now its .07 cents lol.

Looks better if with respect to BTC, not dollars. Anyway now you got me rethinking this...

rembrandtt

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Seems safe to say VTC price really reached bottom. Time to accumulate.

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Quote from: cubevtc on August 26, 2014, 12:06:47 AM

Quote from: jwinterm on August 22, 2014, 06:41:58 AM

Quote from: cubevtc on August 22, 2014, 03:32:18 AM

Quote from: fpgaxi on August 22, 2014, 03:20:32 AM

The initial idea was to make pow alg adjustable. Why devs just can't fork from scrypt:2048 to scrypt:4096? It will cause the same effect to multipool and fpga/ASIC mininig. It will help to gain time for Lyra2 implementation.

Yes, there is a mandate of Vertcoin to fork to higher 'n' of the scrypt-n algo when the ASIC/FPGA is out. Well, the scrypt-n FPGA is finally here now. I doubt the devs know about this. They are busy with the Lyra2 implementation and they have not come into this forum nor the reddit (they have not posted anything) for a long time. Perhaps someone who has a 'direct line' to the devs can let them know of the new ASIC/FPGA development.

I talked to othe about it in #vertcoin on freenode yesterday.

That is good. Does Bushido go to #vertcoin freenode too?

Where is the scrypt-n asic? They are coming out.. but ive not seen a released one yet.

Or are you referring to the cloud mining contract that can do Scrypt-N or X11.. as in the FPGA.. and as we know FPGAs arent as efficient as GPUs at scrypt/scrypt-n. So its better to use a gpu mining contract than a fpga one with scrypt-n

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rdnkjdi and murders10: I think the temperature is a bit over 30 °C. I know that undervolting is better than underclocking, but if you do both and find the sweet spots you can save money and protect your hardware, too

. The downclock is only for additional power efficiency. I could also run it at 1040/1500 (R9 290). Summarized (for R9 290), the best efficiency is given between 867 and 947 MHz with sweet spots at 867, 925 and 947 MHz using memory clock 1250 Cool

. Currently i'm mining at 925/1250 which gives me 402 kh/s. Alltogether, Lyra2 is along the way and i think that's a good time to discuss about settings again. Then i may be mining at maximum settings Grin

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Quote from: randywald on August 27, 2014, 10:48:16 AM

I'm mining all the time, but in summer i use reduced settings:

Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X OC:
- Engine Clock: 867
- Memory Clock: 1250
- Hashrate: 387 kh/s

This is sweet spot for maximum power efficiency (R9 290).

MSI R9 270:
- Maximum settings all the year round Grin

u should under volt it's better then under clock

rdnkjdi

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Quote from: randywald on August 27, 2014, 10:48:16 AM

I'm mining all the time, but in summer i use reduced settings:

Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X OC:
- Engine Clock: 867
- Memory Clock: 1250
- Hashrate: 387 kh/s

This is sweet spot for maximum power efficiency (R9 290).

MSI R9 270:
- Maximum settings all the year round Grin

What is the ambient temp around your rigs?

randywald

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I'm mining all the time, but in summer i use reduced settings:

Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X OC:
- Engine Clock: 867
- Memory Clock: 1250
- Hashrate: 387 kh/s

This is sweet spot for maximum power efficiency (R9 290).

MSI R9 270:
- Maximum settings all the year round Grin

bit_world

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temp is getting low,i am back to mine this coin

cubevtc

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Ceck me in livestream twith

Quote from: jwinterm on August 22, 2014, 06:41:58 AM

Quote from: cubevtc on August 22, 2014, 03:32:18 AM

Quote from: fpgaxi on August 22, 2014, 03:20:32 AM

The initial idea was to make pow alg adjustable. Why devs just can't fork from scrypt:2048 to scrypt:4096? It will cause the same effect to multipool and fpga/ASIC mininig. It will help to gain time for Lyra2 implementation.

Yes, there is a mandate of Vertcoin to fork to higher 'n' of the scrypt-n algo when the ASIC/FPGA is out. Well, the scrypt-n FPGA is finally here now. I doubt the devs know about this. They are busy with the Lyra2 implementation and they have not come into this forum nor the reddit (they have not posted anything) for a long time. Perhaps someone who has a 'direct line' to the devs can let them know of the new ASIC/FPGA development.

I talked to othe about it in #vertcoin on freenode yesterday.

That is good. Does Bushido go to #vertcoin freenode too?

BBristow79

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Dye the water green?

voephilis

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What about a Vertcoin Icebucket Challenge?

let´s spend some verts!

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