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4fanbtc

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Hello,
Please here need help,
What that mean if one, two, or three friends decide to
Play child game of spammers without any prove only
They tell project scammer, did admin have to trust on them without any explaination

Here we have legal project
Based on legal company we are working
Transparent we have small community yes
But no one have problem with our project
We write to moderator to stop this guys how play
On thread ,
Or he give any single prove that he was scammed
By project have 0 premine
Also we are ready to provide all documentations legal
And KYC if that needed.

But some bad reputation RED ON THE FRONT of our thread without any single reason , really not good and not honest

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5115081.200

Kind regards

Element0815P2

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Quote from: Quickseller on May 20, 2019, 10:31:42 AM

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Because scans are not moderated here and because the mods cannot know for sure if something is a scam or not.

Why does the mod not converse the project management before showing the damn message.
The mod lacks the responsibility in his Positoion.

Quickseller

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Quote from: Element0815P2 on May 20, 2019, 07:30:42 AM

Quote from: bolinao on April 27, 2019, 05:51:32 PM

Quote from: sandy-is-fine on April 26, 2019, 09:21:51 PM

Next step is to post that same warning on the same users even when the user is logged in! Cheesy

This, the big red warning should be seen by registered members also, not just unregistered viewers.

So many registered newbies just don't see what's right in front of them and get scammed by a seller with plenty of red trust. If the same big warning was seen by registered members as seen by unregistered viewers then that would go a long way to stop scamming.

Why is the fraudulent post not deleted by user "drimix"?

Because scans are not moderated here and because the mods cannot know for sure if something is a scam or not.

Element0815P2

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Quote from: bolinao on April 27, 2019, 05:51:32 PM

Quote from: sandy-is-fine on April 26, 2019, 09:21:51 PM

Next step is to post that same warning on the same users even when the user is logged in! Cheesy

This, the big red warning should be seen by registered members also, not just unregistered viewers.

So many registered newbies just don't see what's right in front of them and get scammed by a seller with plenty of red trust. If the same big warning was seen by registered members as seen by unregistered viewers then that would go a long way to stop scamming.

Why is the fraudulent post not deleted by user "drimix"?

bolinao

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Quote from: sandy-is-fine on April 26, 2019, 09:21:51 PM

Next step is to post that same warning on the same users even when the user is logged in! Cheesy

This, the big red warning should be seen by registered members also, not just unregistered viewers.

So many registered newbies just don't see what's right in front of them and get scammed by a seller with plenty of red trust. If the same big warning was seen by registered members as seen by unregistered viewers then that would go a long way to stop scamming.

Quickseller

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 27, 2019, 01:59:21 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 27, 2019, 01:48:35 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 26, 2019, 08:17:27 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 26, 2019, 08:10:58 PM

What you describe would be off topic. You should report those posts and they should be deleted.

Yes, but that only applies for that specific scenario. A small change could avoid that:

The scammer could ask who can sell gift cards, and then his alt could offer their services, posting an auto-buy link.
Other alts could accuse the OP of trying to scam (to justify the warning at the top of the thread) and vouch for the first alt.

All of this while the thread is locked and nobody else can intervene.

The posts advertising, and vouching for the competitor (or "competitor" if they are alts) would be off topic, and should be deleted if reported.

That would be arguable at best, up to the moderator.
But it's not even too important as the OP could explicitly bump the thread as if he were asking for more providers.

Yes, someone creating a thread soliciting suggestions for services would get around the "off topic" problem.

My solution above regarding forcing threads to remain unlocked for a period of time would solve most of the problems regarding fake vouches.

You can also open a scam accusation, naming the forum handle, the URL of the service and/or contact information (eg telegram handle), so they will show up on google search results.

EcuaMobi

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Quote from: Quickseller on April 27, 2019, 01:48:35 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 26, 2019, 08:17:27 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 26, 2019, 08:10:58 PM

What you describe would be off topic. You should report those posts and they should be deleted.

Yes, but that only applies for that specific scenario. A small change could avoid that:

The scammer could ask who can sell gift cards, and then his alt could offer their services, posting an auto-buy link.
Other alts could accuse the OP of trying to scam (to justify the warning at the top of the thread) and vouch for the first alt.

All of this while the thread is locked and nobody else can intervene.

The posts advertising, and vouching for the competitor (or "competitor" if they are alts) would be off topic, and should be deleted if reported.

That would be arguable at best, up to the moderator.
But it's not even too important as the OP could explicitly bump the thread as if he were asking for more providers.

Quickseller

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 26, 2019, 08:17:27 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 26, 2019, 08:10:58 PM

What you describe would be off topic. You should report those posts and they should be deleted.

Yes, but that only applies for that specific scenario. A small change could avoid that:

The scammer could ask who can sell gift cards, and then his alt could offer their services, posting an auto-buy link.
Other alts could accuse the OP of trying to scam (to justify the warning at the top of the thread) and vouch for the first alt.

All of this while the thread is locked and nobody else can intervene.

The posts advertising, and vouching for the competitor (or "competitor" if they are alts) would be off topic, and should be deleted if reported.

I do agree there should be limits as to how frequently a thread can be unlocked. Perhaps one solution would be that once a thread has been locked twice in one month that if someone other than the OP makes a post in the thread, it can only be locked 4 hours after it was last unlocked.

Quote from: marlboroza on April 27, 2019, 10:15:43 AM

There is no warning, perhaps not to count very old positive feedbacks, or to count only last few feedbacks?

I think the current algorithm is to prevent people like you from causing this warning being displayed for non-scammer reasons.

btcsmlcmnr

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The Warning is clear for Guest. However, I have a thought that maybe the forum should have more detailed guide on this issue, and the topic (if actually written by admin or some of staffs) should be pinned in the top of Beginners & Help. Maybe I am wrong at this point, and maybe that sort of guide topic is abundant.
I actually made my topic on this issue, what do you think about it?
Guests - Read Warnings on potential scam projects started by Neg Trust Users

marlboroza

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Quote from: LoyceMobile on April 27, 2019, 10:52:23 AM

The last example asks for a PM, so anyone interested would see his trust first.

That is why it is example, what if there was "contact me via telegram/email/other ways"? Never mind, it was just a thought, probably there are not many accounts who are tagged and warning won't show up.

o_e_l_e_o

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I think this is a great start to protecting guests from being scammed.

In relation to the already mentioned comments about these untrustworthy users posting in other users' threads or starting threads with sockpuppets who are not red trusted, I would agree that there should be a warning under individual accounts. I also think there should be a warning on individual users' profile pages, since any text or links they place in their signature/personal text/website are also viewable to guests.

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The last example asks for a PM, so anyone interested would see his trust first.

marlboroza

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Quote from: theymos on April 26, 2019, 05:21:11 PM

Logged-out users will now see a warning in trust-enabled sections if more DT members neg-trust the topic starter than positive-trust him.

This increases the responsibility of DT members not to give negative trust for stupid reasons, but only for things that cause you to believe that the person is a scammer.

This is great addition to forum, it reminds me of big yellow warning sing at askgamblers

but to be honest you should change something. Just one example of user with -11 negative ratings and +11 positive (last positive feedback is from 2015):

There is no warning, perhaps not to count very old positive feedbacks, or to count only last few feedbacks?

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Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 26, 2019, 08:03:43 PM

Quote from: mikeywith on April 26, 2019, 07:50:45 PM

1- a scammer starts a locked thread selling gift cards.
2- uses a sockpuppet to comment saying he sells the same gift cards maybe at cheaper rate and posts his email/telegram contact.
3- another sockpuppet to vouch for the previous sockpuppet.
4- another sockpuppet to confirm the scam warning about OP and vouch for the first sockpuppet.

I see. I hadn't thought of that.

The warning would help a little because newbies would at least know scammers are not banned (unlike most other forums) but a warning next to every post made by a scammer would be much better.
theymos, any chance you make this change?

I could see that being to broad a stroke. I'm playing catch up here but the way it reads to me this takes in account all DT members. So until we see the changes that theymos might be expecting in the way feedback is being left I'm happy with topics being flagged for now. Ideally this should be enough for these guests to consider logging in as suggested or question everyone in the thread.

The bonus being they maybe become active in the community and login/register, this leads them to see feedback the same as everyone else, or they are reminded the be cautious on the internet.

Overall it is a good step that shouldn't have to much collateral damage; with the added benefit of hopefully curbing some of the failings people have in the way they leave feedback.

Good job sticking with your suggestion sandy-is-fine

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Quote from: theymos on April 26, 2019, 05:21:11 PM

Logged-out users will now see a warning in trust-enabled sections if more DT members neg-trust the topic starter than positive-trust him.

Will you add the warning about dealing with a newbie account, in case of circumventing by creating more accounts?
Will Trust rate be affected "somthnig like Trust: -35: -6 / +29"?

Quote from: Quickseller on April 26, 2019, 07:37:01 PM

edit: it appears there are many marketplace subs in the local sections that do not have trust displayed.

Not only marketplace but all Altcoin sections "ANN, bounty & Airdrop"

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Quote from: mikeywith on April 26, 2019, 07:50:45 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 26, 2019, 07:38:33 PM

If a scammer posts on someone else's thread then the creator of that thread or anybody else can post a warning.

ok maybe i should have explained my concern a bit more.

1- a scammer starts a locked thread selling gift cards.
2- uses a sockpuppet to comment saying he sells the same gift cards maybe at cheaper rate and posts his email/telegram contact.
3- another sockpuppet to vouch for the previous sockpuppet.
4- another sockpuppet to confirm the scam warning about OP and vouch for the first sockpuppet.

This is just one of many other scenarios, i am all about optimism but i can't ignore the fact this move alone won't help newbie visitors the way we expect.

you know scammers don't rest, it's pretty obvious that this will be their next strategy, so in order for us to keep fighting them, surfing topics alone will not be enough, we now have to dig into every reply.

@sandy has got a lot of work to do now since this was her idea Grin

I agree, some of the most valuable information and facts are in the comments. Sometimes the OP can't or simply forget to cover it. But, how a DT can track of these problems if there are lots of posts in a thread? Using a dislike like button on a post so other users can participate and help DTs? Oh or the existing report button.

Quote from: sandy-is-fine on April 26, 2019, 09:21:51 PM

Quote from: theymos on April 26, 2019, 05:21:11 PM

Logged-out users will now see a warning in trust-enabled sections if more DT members neg-trust the topic starter than positive-trust him.

This increases the responsibility of DT members not to give negative trust for stupid reasons, but only for things that cause you to believe that the person is a scammer.

Good beginning, thank you.

Next step is to post that same warning on the same users even when the user is logged in! Cheesy

Yeah, I think this will be great also. But I think for now the negative user counter below the author's name is enough. Let's save that space for important announcements and for April 1.

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Quote from: theymos on April 26, 2019, 05:21:11 PM

Logged-out users will now see a warning in trust-enabled sections if more DT members neg-trust the topic starter than positive-trust him.

This increases the responsibility of DT members not to give negative trust for stupid reasons, but only for things that cause you to believe that the person is a scammer.

Good beginning, thank you.

Next step is to post that same warning on the same users even when the user is logged in! Cheesy

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Quote from: Quickseller on April 26, 2019, 08:10:58 PM

What you describe would be off topic. You should report those posts and they should be deleted.

Yes, but that only applies for that specific scenario. A small change could avoid that:

The scammer could ask who can sell gift cards, and then his alt could offer their services, posting an auto-buy link.
Other alts could accuse the OP of trying to scam (to justify the warning at the top of the thread) and vouch for the first alt.

All of this while the thread is locked and nobody else can intervene.

Quickseller

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Quote from: mikeywith on April 26, 2019, 07:50:45 PM

Quote from: EcuaMobi on April 26, 2019, 07:38:33 PM

If a scammer posts on someone else's thread then the creator of that thread or anybody else can post a warning.

ok maybe i should have explained my concern a bit more.

1- a scammer starts a locked thread selling gift cards.
2- uses a sockpuppet to comment saying he sells the same gift cards maybe at cheaper rate and posts his email/telegram contact.
3- another sockpuppet to vouch for the previous sockpuppet.
4- another sockpuppet to confirm the scam warning about OP and vouch for the first sockpuppet.

This is just one of many other scenarios, i am all about optimism but i can't ignore the fact this move alone won't help newbie visitors the way we expect.

you know scammers don't rest, it's pretty obvious that this will be their next strategy, so in order for us to keep fighting them, surfing topics alone will not be enough, we now have to dig into every reply.

@sandy has got a lot of work to do now since this was her idea Grin

What you describe would be off topic. You should report those posts and they should be deleted.

EcuaMobi

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Quote from: mikeywith on April 26, 2019, 07:50:45 PM

1- a scammer starts a locked thread selling gift cards.
2- uses a sockpuppet to comment saying he sells the same gift cards maybe at cheaper rate and posts his email/telegram contact.
3- another sockpuppet to vouch for the previous sockpuppet.
4- another sockpuppet to confirm the scam warning about OP and vouch for the first sockpuppet.

I see. I hadn't thought of that.

The warning would help a little because newbies would at least know scammers are not banned (unlike most other forums) but a warning next to every post made by a scammer would be much better.
theymos, any chance you make this change?

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