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legendary
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July 09, 2023, 11:26:46 AM
#61
When my game reaches the jackpot, I smile, but I get upset when I have yet to report any winnings on the system. Winning with a virtual system is not the same as winning with a real live match. That is evidence that it is virtual, not realistic. Therefore the chances of a losing club scoring 5 goals in 2 minutes are extremely minimal, or they don't stand a chance at all. However, with virtual betting, anything is feasible for the purpose to achieve the most favorable results. Virtual bugs have always existed from the beginning of time, and gamblers are already accustomed to the prospect; some coincidences favor the gambler while others do not.
You are just right, the chance is minimal, but possible. Although not in a short time but in a way the match will still look real in minutes. I do not believe in the virtual bugs because everything is programmed from A to Z. I mean from the first to the last season are programmed, in a way the gamblers will lose more than they would win. So if there is any bug in virtual matches, I do not believe it would be in the RNG used for it.
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July 09, 2023, 01:05:47 AM
#60
I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

It's on their system verification with the API came from the games they are referring to, its ideal if they you will made a report with the outcome of the game, I experience this before with the e-sports betting which you can wage or bet in your item or inventory that time after they mistake the record on the game they immediately fix and check the result that process the winnings but if they will not at the end of the day you cannot argue and they will just return your bet so you cant do anything just to follow their decisions.
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July 08, 2023, 08:43:00 PM
#59
Isnt it just miles better to try betting on verifiable real matches. I can't comprehend advantage of virtual game betting honestly. I guess I didn't even exactly understand. If its just computer programme trying to act like football/soccer game there can be 5 goals from away team. Its rare but possible even in Real life. But if something like that happens in a minute - well its impossible. Most of the time couple of minutes already pass after a team scores a goal to continue.
When my game reaches the jackpot, I smile, but I get upset when I have yet to report any winnings on the system. Winning with a virtual system is not the same as winning with a real live match. That is evidence that it is virtual, not realistic. Therefore the chances of a losing club scoring 5 goals in 2 minutes are extremely minimal, or they don't stand a chance at all. However, with virtual betting, anything is feasible for the purpose to achieve the most favorable results. Virtual bugs have always existed from the beginning of time, and gamblers are already accustomed to the prospect; some coincidences favor the gambler while others do not.
legendary
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July 08, 2023, 06:41:43 PM
#58
I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?
A misprogramming thing is a bug, 5 goals should never manage to be scored in less than 10 minutes, especially at the end of the game while the other team is leading, because it would look as a scam. So it's better to have a realistic behavior respecting common stats for soccer matches.
sr. member
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July 08, 2023, 11:11:21 AM
#57
I'm personally not sure how virtual games or virtual betting works because I've never bet on virtual games, but this obviously sounds like it was manipulation since if we compare that with a real game, we know that it is not possible to score 5 goals in just 8 minutes, maybe it's possible if it's a video game and the opponent is too weak, but even in a video game, it will be pretty difficult to score 5 goals in just a span on 8 minutes or so. So, it sounds suspicious to me.

I don't really understand why people gamble on virtual games when they can do it on real games where it is not possible for the bookies to manipulate the results since they can clearly be seen as the matches are being played live or one can easily watch the highlights later on.
legendary
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July 08, 2023, 03:10:26 AM
#56
Within 82nd to 90th minute, away team scored 5 goals? Can you give us the name of the betting sites that you experienced this? If it is true, do not use the betting site again, they are manipulating the whole thing if such thing continues in other matches. But the gambling sites that have virtual games that I have gambled with before can be said to not manipulate anything.
He didn't say 90th minute there just 82nd. I think the OP isn't working on that casino anymore so maybe it is safe now to name that casino for us to check if the claims are true and it still exists or we can just avoid it completely before the same problem occurs with us and our issue will never be resolved especially if it's an intentional one. This might be one of the problem when we play virtual games.

It is where the betting site owner can do some manipulations or they can rig the game, same to the casino games while if we play the live sports betting games, manipulation won't still be completely free. There are fixed matches and then misleading calls of a referee even if there is already a VAR.
It did meant what I posted about which you can see in what I quote below:

it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...

@justdimin, if a gambling site is reputed, they can not manipulate but you may still see surprising scores. Virtual matches are programmed in a way gamblers will eventually lose as they lose more in real life gambling, so they have no need to manipulate.
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July 07, 2023, 04:26:39 PM
#55
Within 82nd to 90th minute, away team scored 5 goals? Can you give us the name of the betting sites that you experienced this? If it is true, do not use the betting site again, they are manipulating the whole thing if such thing continues in other matches. But the gambling sites that have virtual games that I have gambled with before can be said to not manipulate anything.
He didn't say 90th minute there just 82nd. I think the OP isn't working on that casino anymore so maybe it is safe now to name that casino for us to check if the claims are true and it still exists or we can just avoid it completely before the same problem occurs with us and our issue will never be resolved especially if it's an intentional one. This might be one of the problem when we play virtual games.

It is where the betting site owner can do some manipulations or they can rig the game, same to the casino games while if we play the live sports betting games, manipulation won't still be completely free. There are fixed matches and then misleading calls of a referee even if there is already a VAR.
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July 07, 2023, 02:53:30 PM
#54
I certainly, agree. Been a fan of traditional virtual games but when I have switched to real life matches, I felt more comfortable and confident that it isn't easily be manipulated. Yes, there are also manipulated matches but that rarely happens.
Then I wasn't totally mistakened; these things are happening in real life and it doesn't even seem to be a bug atimes... It looks to me like a recovery/stop loss action that's been added to the domain of those local casinos; mind you, I haven't experienced that problem on an online casino.
But IMHO, these things usually comes up once in a while; mostly when it seems the company is losing too much. Alright, maybe someone needs to try out betting on any local casino's virtuals just to ascertain the point.

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July 07, 2023, 12:32:56 PM
#53
Isnt it just miles better to try betting on verifiable real matches. I can't comprehend advantage of virtual game betting honestly. I guess I didn't even exactly understand. If its just computer programme trying to act like football/soccer game there can be 5 goals from away team. Its rare but possible even in Real life. But if something like that happens in a minute - well its impossible. Most of the time couple of minutes already pass after a team scores a goal to continue.

You are absolutely right. It's always best to bet on matches happening in real life because those have lesser chance of being manipulated.
Betting on virtual games can be risky and should be avoided all time. We never know if the game is being manipulated or not.
The chances of losing our bets on such games are higher ofcourse.

Additionally, reallife matches provide an opportunity to analyze the teams' performance and make more informed decisions thus increasing our chances of success in betting.
So it's better to stick to the safer option and enjoy the thrill of real sports.

I certainly, agree. Been a fan of traditional virtual games but when I have switched to real life matches, I felt more comfortable and confident that it isn't easily be manipulated. Yes, there are also manipulated matches but that rarely happens.

However, we can't deny the fact that some errors and bugs couldn't be avoided sometimes and the most affected is the player because they could have their funds lost in just one bug, in case it happens, they should reach out to the team right away.

It could happen normally but if it happens more often, I think the problem would probably on the casino already.
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July 07, 2023, 11:41:40 AM
#52
Isnt it just miles better to try betting on verifiable real matches. I can't comprehend advantage of virtual game betting honestly. I guess I didn't even exactly understand. If its just computer programme trying to act like football/soccer game there can be 5 goals from away team. Its rare but possible even in Real life. But if something like that happens in a minute - well its impossible. Most of the time couple of minutes already pass after a team scores a goal to continue.

You are absolutely right. It's always best to bet on matches happening in real life because those have lesser chance of being manipulated.
Betting on virtual games can be risky and should be avoided all time. We never know if the game is being manipulated or not.
The chances of losing our bets on such games are higher ofcourse.

Additionally, reallife matches provide an opportunity to analyze the teams' performance and make more informed decisions thus increasing our chances of success in betting.
So it's better to stick to the safer option and enjoy the thrill of real sports.
legendary
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July 06, 2023, 03:21:48 PM
#51
I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

It depends what you mean by "virtual games"? Are you on about non-factual based sports betting that is generated on demand by casinos to give the impression of an actual sports match? If so, I have zero sympathy for the players because you have just as much luck playing slots or putting all your money on red at roulette. Such virtual games are absolutely meaningless and will be engineered to pay out to the casino only. If you want to bet on sports games then do the real thing so you cannot be mislead. I cannot fathom how anyone gets entertainment from betting on a virtual horse race, that as you say can tantalize you with a win until the last second and then result in a bad outcome for you, because you were pre-defined as a losing bet from the outset.
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July 06, 2023, 03:14:22 PM
#50

I didn't even exactly understand. If its just computer programme trying to act like football/soccer game there can be 5 goals from away team.

Yeah is a programmed football match and you have different clubs or leagues playing so depending on what you want to bet on . It is bet just like real football betting but the funny thing about this program football game is that it is programmed  Grin You understand what I mean? Maybe not. But you see very funny unimaginable and unexpected football play, from keepers missing clear catches, running out of the post while ball is approaching, ridiculously diving towards the wrong position etc and to players missing clear goals even when the keeper is not at the post. Yeah, it is programmed.  Grin



Its rare but possible even in Real life. But if something like that happens in a minute - well its impossible. Most of the time couple of minutes already pass after a team scores a goal to continue.

This is the contention. It is possible for goals to be scored in short intervals in a match in real life but to have 5 goals scored within 7 minutes to the end of full time and going by the bet at stake where the customer was already leading 2 goals ahead and just remaining the 3rd but then and there, the table shook and the house won 2-5 away. That is what makes the whole scenario a programmed game.
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July 06, 2023, 02:46:04 PM
#49
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?
Without proof the system is provably fair we can only speculate. That can really indicate the house is cheating on the gambler through a "bug" on their virtual program or it can be just the odds playing against the player, because even though to score 5 goals in few minutes seem unlikely, we can't say it's impossible! It's like hiting 16-20 losses in a row on dice game with 49,5% winning chance and calling it a scam! We know these things happen on long term...

That is why it's important to have the provably fair system. So gamblers have no doubts about the legitimacy of games' results in suspicious cases like this.
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July 06, 2023, 12:15:36 PM
#48
Note that, the casino system is designed to favour the house and for that, if there is no fairness in the system it then means the casino is at liberty to treat the gambler in whichever their can and so long as the casino is a business outfit,  it then means that there will do everything possible to protect their interest.

So even in a sure winning bet,  the casino doesn't mind manipulating the games just to suit their own interest against that of the player.
If any betting platform follows such practice they won't last long cause no one will be interested in playing a casino where everyone loses all the time and the house is being unbeatable. 5 goals in 8 minutes is possible since we are talking about virtual game not an actual soccer but if there is a bug that stopped the simulation then the bet should be cancelled to be fair so that no one will lose the money.
Are you sure? But what about 1xbet/bit? They are still here and they are still strong despite of the allegations that they are taking. Those old players who got scammed will surely avoid them but there will always be newbies who are too naive. They won't make a research but will only play immediately once they saw the ads online.

Before we play in a virtual sports, we need to check its rules first and see the possibilities such as how much scores can be made in a certain time, that way won't be shocked about the outcome of the game. If in case we noticed something which are not written in the rule, that is the time for us to make a complaint. We and others will then avoid that shady casino if they won't explain what happen and won't resolve the issue.

I don't know that 1xbit is still making any considerable money cause its clear that they have been exposed on lots of instances that is what I mentioned if reputed site is doing such activities then their trust by its users will be shattered and gradually the userbase will fade away. 1xbit is surviving only by pumping more money in their advertisement and try to attract new users and take whatever money from that user.
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July 06, 2023, 06:02:22 AM
#47
Note that, the casino system is designed to favour the house and for that, if there is no fairness in the system it then means the casino is at liberty to treat the gambler in whichever their can and so long as the casino is a business outfit,  it then means that there will do everything possible to protect their interest.

So even in a sure winning bet,  the casino doesn't mind manipulating the games just to suit their own interest against that of the player.
If any betting platform follows such practice they won't last long cause no one will be interested in playing a casino where everyone loses all the time and the house is being unbeatable. 5 goals in 8 minutes is possible since we are talking about virtual game not an actual soccer but if there is a bug that stopped the simulation then the bet should be cancelled to be fair so that no one will lose the money.
Are you sure? But what about 1xbet/bit? They are still here and they are still strong despite of the allegations that they are taking. Those old players who got scammed will surely avoid them but there will always be newbies who are too naive. They won't make a research but will only play immediately once they saw the ads online.

Before we play in a virtual sports, we need to check its rules first and see the possibilities such as how much scores can be made in a certain time, that way won't be shocked about the outcome of the game. If in case we noticed something which are not written in the rule, that is the time for us to make a complaint. We and others will then avoid that shady casino if they won't explain what happen and won't resolve the issue.
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July 06, 2023, 05:40:51 AM
#46
I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰


Sounds like there might be an issue with the score updating system. Maybe it is a bug, maybe it is on purpose. It really depends on how trustworthy the mentioned casino is in the first place.

That being said, which casino exactly are we talking about? Is the casino registered and audited or is it just some makeshift casino which can be called suspicious?

Because it does not sound like a casino with a well managed program infrastructure. Especially since nobody who works there has addressed the problem, despite it being so glaringly obvious.

I personally would like to think its just a updating problem. Not an actual programming issue (whether by accident or not).
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July 06, 2023, 01:03:34 AM
#45
I think such a question should be asked to the provider that supplies the results of the virtual event.Roll Eyes they "know" the answer...
But I believe that TOS of these games clearly described these situations and the final user has very little to complain about Sad
(something like the result you see it's just for information purpose etc etc etc)...
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July 06, 2023, 01:02:26 AM
#44
If the workers are the ones to display the scores for everyone to see I won't play such game in a casino, even if it's always the house that wins I prefer a game of luck that gives me my result itself, I am not into Virtual but any game where the gambler won't see the result insta with his eye but relies on what the screen score will display is nonsense.

Sports results or scores can't be tampered, for example a soccer game or basketball and many others, they can't fake the scores without you know, if not instantly you will know few minutes after.
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July 06, 2023, 12:58:10 AM
#43
Isnt it just miles better to try betting on verifiable real matches. I can't comprehend advantage of virtual game betting honestly. I guess I didn't even exactly understand. If its just computer programme trying to act like football/soccer game there can be 5 goals from away team. Its rare but possible even in Real life. But if something like that happens in a minute - well its impossible. Most of the time couple of minutes already pass after a team scores a goal to continue.
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July 05, 2023, 10:01:21 PM
#42
Note that, the casino system is designed to favour the house and for that, if there is no fairness in the system it then means the casino is at liberty to treat the gambler in whichever their can and so long as the casino is a business outfit,  it then means that there will do everything possible to protect their interest.

So even in a sure winning bet,  the casino doesn't mind manipulating the games just to suit their own interest against that of the player.
If any betting platform follows such practice they won't last long cause no one will be interested in playing a casino where everyone loses all the time and the house is being unbeatable. 5 goals in 8 minutes is possible since we are talking about virtual game not an actual soccer but if there is a bug that stopped the simulation then the bet should be cancelled to be fair so that no one will lose the money.
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