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Ken,

could you tell my about the status of my refund cheque?

It's been 5 months now since I requested a refund...

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Isn't ken legally required to give refunds for every single preorder due to the fact that the product no longer exists? FTC says he can have delays up to 30 days past original shipment date or else refunds must be given. And FTC also says refunds must be given within 7 days of order cancellation.

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How Quickly You Must Make a Refund

When you must make a Rule-required refund, the following applies:
    If the customer paid by cash, check, or money order, you must refund the correct amount by first class mail within seven working days after the order is cancelled.
    If the customer paid by credit, you must credit the customer’s account or notify the customer that the account will not be charged, within one customer’s billing cycle, after the order is cancelled.

source: http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

Look up the rule for custom orders.  This is the rule for pre-manufactured items.

You're full of shit, a liar, and a thief. You never sold a custom item, custom would mean individualized. You presold a product, and you are lying and stealing from your victims. Man up and send the refunds or GTFO you loser.

@rick may I inquire as to your purchase with VMC?

None of your business is it? Are you going to defend this fraudster? Are you getting paid to defend the liar slaughter, who gets caught in his lies daily?
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Wrong. Internet sales are considered by 'Telephone, indirectly'. You're in violation of codes 435.1, and 435.2 from what I see.

http://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/1998/04/compl3.htm



It only covers the selling of goods by mail or telephone.

(a) Mail or telephone order sales shall mean sales in which the buyer has ordered merchandise from the seller by mail or telephone, regardless of the method of payment or the method used to solicit the order.

Read it yourself.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/16/435.1

Seems you are right, anyway we are sending out refunds and we intend to offer 100% refunds  to our customers own want a refund as fast as we can.
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Wrong. Internet sales are considered by 'Telephone, indirectly'. You're in violation of codes 435.1, and 435.2 from what I see.

http://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/cases/1998/04/compl3.htm



It only covers the selling of goods by mail or telephone.

(a) Mail or telephone order sales shall mean sales in which the buyer has ordered merchandise from the seller by mail or telephone, regardless of the method of payment or the method used to solicit the order.

Read it yourself.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/16/435.1
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Each machine was built to order, the individualized order for the type of machine and the number of cards.  We did not build a machine before we had a order for it.

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When you learn that you cannot ship on time, you must decide whether you will ever be able to ship the order. If you decide that you cannot, you must promptly cancel the order and make a full refund.

http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

16 CFR Part 435 does not cover Internet Sales.


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What Does the Rule Cover?

It applies to most goods a customer orders from the seller by mail, telephone, fax, or on the Internet.

It only covers the selling of goods by mail or telephone.

(a) Mail or telephone order sales shall mean sales in which the buyer has ordered merchandise from the seller by mail or telephone, regardless of the method of payment or the method used to solicit the order.

Read it yourself.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/16/435.1
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Each machine was built to order, the individualized order for the type of machine and the number of cards.  We did not build a machine before we had a order for it.

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When you learn that you cannot ship on time, you must decide whether you will ever be able to ship the order. If you decide that you cannot, you must promptly cancel the order and make a full refund.

http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

16 CFR Part 435 does not cover Internet Sales.


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What Does the Rule Cover?

It applies to most goods a customer orders from the seller by mail, telephone, fax, or on the Internet.
sr. member
Activity: 476
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Each machine was built to order, the individualized order for the type of machine and the number of cards.  We did not build a machine before we had a order for it.

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When you learn that you cannot ship on time, you must decide whether you will ever be able to ship the order. If you decide that you cannot, you must promptly cancel the order and make a full refund.

http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

16 CFR Part 435 does not cover Internet Sales.
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Ken,

could you tell my about the status of my refund cheque?

It's been 5 months now since I requested a refund...

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Isn't ken legally required to give refunds for every single preorder due to the fact that the product no longer exists? FTC says he can have delays up to 30 days past original shipment date or else refunds must be given. And FTC also says refunds must be given within 7 days of order cancellation.

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How Quickly You Must Make a Refund

When you must make a Rule-required refund, the following applies:
    If the customer paid by cash, check, or money order, you must refund the correct amount by first class mail within seven working days after the order is cancelled.
    If the customer paid by credit, you must credit the customer’s account or notify the customer that the account will not be charged, within one customer’s billing cycle, after the order is cancelled.

source: http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

Look up the rule for custom orders.  This is the rule for pre-manufactured items.

You're full of shit, a liar, and a thief. You never sold a custom item, custom would mean individualized. You presold a product, and you are lying and stealing from your victims. Man up and send the refunds or GTFO you loser.

Each machine was built to order, the individualized order for the type of machine and the number of cards.  We did not build a machine before we had a order for it.

You have never shipped any configured machines you are delusional sir. Where is my refund you as hole. 
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Activity: 770
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Each machine was built to order, the individualized order for the type of machine and the number of cards.  We did not build a machine before we had a order for it.

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When you learn that you cannot ship on time, you must decide whether you will ever be able to ship the order. If you decide that you cannot, you must promptly cancel the order and make a full refund.

http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule
sr. member
Activity: 476
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Ken,

could you tell my about the status of my refund cheque?

It's been 5 months now since I requested a refund...

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Isn't ken legally required to give refunds for every single preorder due to the fact that the product no longer exists? FTC says he can have delays up to 30 days past original shipment date or else refunds must be given. And FTC also says refunds must be given within 7 days of order cancellation.

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How Quickly You Must Make a Refund

When you must make a Rule-required refund, the following applies:
    If the customer paid by cash, check, or money order, you must refund the correct amount by first class mail within seven working days after the order is cancelled.
    If the customer paid by credit, you must credit the customer’s account or notify the customer that the account will not be charged, within one customer’s billing cycle, after the order is cancelled.

source: http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

Look up the rule for custom orders.  This is the rule for pre-manufactured items.

You're full of shit, a liar, and a thief. You never sold a custom item, custom would mean individualized. You presold a product, and you are lying and stealing from your victims. Man up and send the refunds or GTFO you loser.

Each machine was built to order, the individualized order for the type of machine and the number of cards.  We did not build a machine before we had a order for it.
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Ken,

could you tell my about the status of my refund cheque?

It's been 5 months now since I requested a refund...

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Isn't ken legally required to give refunds for every single preorder due to the fact that the product no longer exists? FTC says he can have delays up to 30 days past original shipment date or else refunds must be given. And FTC also says refunds must be given within 7 days of order cancellation.

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How Quickly You Must Make a Refund

When you must make a Rule-required refund, the following applies:
    If the customer paid by cash, check, or money order, you must refund the correct amount by first class mail within seven working days after the order is cancelled.
    If the customer paid by credit, you must credit the customer’s account or notify the customer that the account will not be charged, within one customer’s billing cycle, after the order is cancelled.

source: http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

Look up the rule for custom orders.  This is the rule for pre-manufactured items.

You're full of shit, a liar, and a thief. You never sold a custom item, custom would mean individualized. You presold a product, and you are lying and stealing from your victims. Man up and send the refunds or GTFO you loser.

@rick may I inquire as to your purchase with VMC?
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Activity: 378
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Ken,

could you tell my about the status of my refund cheque?

It's been 5 months now since I requested a refund...

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Isn't ken legally required to give refunds for every single preorder due to the fact that the product no longer exists? FTC says he can have delays up to 30 days past original shipment date or else refunds must be given. And FTC also says refunds must be given within 7 days of order cancellation.

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How Quickly You Must Make a Refund

When you must make a Rule-required refund, the following applies:
    If the customer paid by cash, check, or money order, you must refund the correct amount by first class mail within seven working days after the order is cancelled.
    If the customer paid by credit, you must credit the customer’s account or notify the customer that the account will not be charged, within one customer’s billing cycle, after the order is cancelled.

source: http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

Look up the rule for custom orders.  This is the rule for pre-manufactured items.

You're full of shit, a liar, and a thief. You never sold a custom item, custom would mean individualized. You presold a product, and you are lying and stealing from your victims. Man up and send the refunds or GTFO you loser.
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Activity: 378
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I received a HashFast refund in a timely manner, VMC sent and unsigned Check first of all then asked me to send it back and since then I have heard nothing.

LMAO they sent you an unsigned Check,how does that even happen

It's a very old con man trick from the 1970s.  Sending a back check is fraud.  Sending an unsigned check buys you a few weeks for an 'honest mistake'

Its a terrible mistake to make and that person must be super retarded
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I received a HashFast refund in a timely manner, VMC sent and unsigned Check first of all then asked me to send it back and since then I have heard nothing.

LMAO they sent you an unsigned Check,how does that even happen

It's a very old con man trick from the 1970s.  Sending a bad check is fraud.  Sending an unsigned check buys you a few weeks for an 'honest mistake'
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I received a HashFast refund in a timely manner, VMC sent and unsigned Check first of all then asked me to send it back and since then I have heard nothing.

LMAO they sent you an unsigned Check,how does that even happen
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Just refund the people already ken. Don't get into the same boat as BFL and hash fast.

and KNC.
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Just refund the people already ken. Don't get into the same boat as BFL and hash fast.
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Look up the rule for custom orders.  This is the rule for pre-manufactured items.


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What Does the Rule Cover?

It applies to most goods a customer orders from the seller by mail, telephone, fax, or on the Internet.

It does not matter how the merchandise is advertised, how the customer pays, or who initiates the contact.
sr. member
Activity: 476
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Ken,

could you tell my about the status of my refund cheque?

It's been 5 months now since I requested a refund...

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Isn't ken legally required to give refunds for every single preorder due to the fact that the product no longer exists? FTC says he can have delays up to 30 days past original shipment date or else refunds must be given. And FTC also says refunds must be given within 7 days of order cancellation.

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How Quickly You Must Make a Refund

When you must make a Rule-required refund, the following applies:
    If the customer paid by cash, check, or money order, you must refund the correct amount by first class mail within seven working days after the order is cancelled.
    If the customer paid by credit, you must credit the customer’s account or notify the customer that the account will not be charged, within one customer’s billing cycle, after the order is cancelled.

source: http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

Look up the rule for custom orders.  This is the rule for pre-manufactured items.
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Activity: 770
Merit: 509
Ken,

could you tell my about the status of my refund cheque?

It's been 5 months now since I requested a refund...

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Isn't ken legally required to give refunds for every single preorder due to the fact that the product no longer exists? FTC says he can have delays up to 30 days past original shipment date or else refunds must be given. And FTC also says refunds must be given within 7 days of order cancellation.

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How Quickly You Must Make a Refund

When you must make a Rule-required refund, the following applies:
    If the customer paid by cash, check, or money order, you must refund the correct amount by first class mail within seven working days after the order is cancelled.
    If the customer paid by credit, you must credit the customer’s account or notify the customer that the account will not be charged, within one customer’s billing cycle, after the order is cancelled.

source: http://www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule
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Ken,

could you tell my about the status of my refund cheque?

It's been 5 months now since I requested a refund...

You seemingly have to pray,  pester, troll and write really bad things about ken and VMC in order to get a refund.

It took me 6 months and all of the above to get mine.
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