Topic: Vod is a liar & extortionist. Get him out of DT! (Read 24440 times)

I’ve removed the below from the OP leaving only the end result of this saga. I am now locking the thread.

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I gave Vod a couple chances to apologize for his lies, but he seems to not realize that his actions are not acceptable behavior.

This recent bit of drama is due to Vod interjecting himself into a thread where he stated a lie about me as his reasoning for looking the other way as scammers pollute the DT network.


Not only is that a lie as I have explained to him multiple times why I have left the feedback I have, but he continued stating other lies as can be seen throughout that thread, escalating his attacks to provably honest community organizations I support.  More of Vod's lies are detailed on this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50665442 but I would recommend reviewing the entire thread.


Once I called Vod out, he decided to leave me a negative trust rating.





Vod's negative feedback with me seems to stem from this specific quote:


I think this can be broken down to 3 specific claims that I will prove the reasoning for my opinion below.  I think after reviewing all available information, it should become clear that Vod is a dangerous addition to the trust network, who has no problem enabling scammers out of fear, and abuses the responsibilities given to him by this forum.

1) Vod asked for my trust multiple times.
2) Vod uses Merit questionably.
3) Vod said he would add me to his distrust list unless I removed trust ratings for Anduck and Quickseller.

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1) Vod asked for my trust multiple times.

Besides the fact it is weird to be sent a message from such a long term member that you've rarely if ever communicated with, having them mention trust like in these quotes definitely seemed to me as though Vod was asking for trust without any sort of basis.  I had to explain this to him to the point of frustration as these quotes show.  There is always much more, but I tried to make this as short as possible.  Setting things up we have to start at the beginning and I highlighted a particular line that I think applies to the current trust rating Vod has left me.


The above was the first message sent addressing me directly from Vod.  It was sent to everyone in DT1 and seemed to make users uncomfortable from the response to it.  Besides Vod making a 360 from his humble days before he felt like god (that quote further below) to what he is doing now, it was pretty clear he was willing to go a step further than others when it came to his personal trust ratings.



The first time you have to explain it, it seems innocent enough...


After explaining yet again why (above), he again asks for trust later that same day (below) since I've left feedback for QS.  


Clearly he asked for my trust in suggestive ways enough times to the point I was beginning to become frustrated.



2) Vod uses Merit questionably.

You can see the merit activity here.  What happened during the periods I received merit for Vod?  The first merit was during some sort of argument with Quickseller, which was a short period before leaving me the second merit and alluding to deserving my trust with the quote shown directly above, "You trust Quickseller, but not me?" which I had already explained to him in detail multiple times.  The next quote was where we left things in negotiations where given all the previous discussion seemed to be waiting for Vod message me about sponsorship.  It was the last communication with Vod before the sudden blasting of Merit in November felt like he was letting me know he still hadn't forgotten about our open negotiations, which fell apart after I publicly made it clear I wasn't interested in sponsoring a site that has algorithms controlled by a single person whom it personally benefitted.  


He also demanded merit from me in PM.  I don't think anyone else has ever done this to me.



3) Vod said he would add me to his distrust list unless I removed trust ratings for Anduck and Quickseller.

This is clear, and Vod didn't limit it to just me either.  At the time of our conversations about the trust network involving Anduck and Quickseller, Vod had me in his trust settings as Trusted.  This was reflected at: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview - Vod made it known that in order to remain there, I would need to remove feedback for Anduck and Quickseller, otherwise I would be distrusted.

After I noticed that Vod had suddenly flipped from trusting to distrusting me, I sent him a message and got this response:


He then made it pretty clear that it was for this specific reason, which I assume meant if I were to remove those feedbacks I would return to being trusted by Vod.


When I pointed out that his distrust was specific to me, he responded by spreading his net wider:




Do as I say but not as I do?  Can Vod listen and change his mind?


I never trusted Vod's network, and I think after reading this post it is understandable why.  I never considered casting negative trust until this experience with him though.  I wish Vod had apologized and admitted he was in the wrong so we could have moved forward like adults and avoided this nonsense.  I know I had better uses for my time today.

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Additionally, quotes like this show that Vod is motivated not by trying to have an accurate trust system, but by his fear of negative trust (see also the first quote in #1 he sent to all DT members).  Due to this, I think him and those who have fallen victim to selling out their morals in order to be in the current DT1 network should be excluded, preferably by other users, as I think it is clear that the trust network is going down a dangerous path guided by fear over truth.

7+btc worth of stolen forked coins, and he calls them "valueless".   Meanwhile his victims are starving.  :/

I think the point of donations is not relevant anymore, some people paid a few bucks years ago, and thanks to the efforts of the whole crypto community, Bitcoin succeeded through all these years, so if anyone is complaining about the funds while they never donated anything, they should know it's none of their businesses, simply being a member here for free is a privilege.

And if any one has complaints about how the funds were handled, keep it to yourselves, here is why:

When you donate to a cause, you can't just go around demanding whatever you want, if you guys wanted to have everything to your liking, then you should have kept the donations to spend it later on however desired.

When you do something kind, it's rude to demand the kindness back, though I might add the way you treated Vod wasn't cool, especially theymos, IMO he should have kept silence, his intervention is what makes it hard for Vod to let go, despite whatever he has done, he did contribute a lot and everyone should have treated him with respect.

We all make mistakes, but sometimes we forget(mostly myself) that words could be as sharp as a blade, at the same time they can be used for healing the wounds inflected by us. By a sincere apology, not as a sign of accepting to be wrong, but just for making it right.

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🧐 Quicksy, long time no see 🧐  😂

 

Nope. Those were sent to theymos too. Except the ones that were valueless and theymos didn’t want sent back, which are still sitting at the address because it isn’t worth my time to deal with.



Had I never stood up for you, this attack would have never been launched against me. Remember that.

This thread was opened 5 years ago yesterday. I am surprised that both sides are still going at it with each other after all this time.

I think it’s best for everyone involved to just drop it.

So the stolen are the forked coins?

That is like what is happening on Solana right now you know.
People buying solana saga phones then getting airdropped the future tokens from POS.
Then sellers of the phones are losing out on those potential funds from receiving $100-200 airdrops that have already been done.
To your logic that is not an acceptable answer to no one who has been in cryptocurrency for over 10 years!

Grow the fuck up bud.

Based on a liar's word?  lol

Anyone can look up the transactions and see that he stole ALL the 500 BTC forked coins. If you look the address up on various block explorers you can also see where he sent the forked coins when Theymos asked for him back.

Anyone can look up his words that it was his right to steal those coins, and anyone can look up how illegal it was for Theymos to reward him for stealing.

We all understand why Theymos left OG positive trust; he believes the donated coins are his.  Thieves trust thieves. 

This will end this year. 

Vod   2023-11-11 Reference
The community caught OGNasty stealing community coins. Theymos awarded him for this theft, and still trusts and pays him.

So it is who said she said case.

Blockchain can show the amount was paid. Just show the transaction there can not be any argument showing it.
Unless VOD has a vendetta, then it will never end.
They never end well.

That’s because it didn’t happen. Anyone can look up the address and see that I sent the full 500 BTC back. If you look the address up on various block explorers you can see where I also sent the forked coins as requested. I wouldn’t have received positive trust from theymos had I mishandled the treasury funds.

EDIT: The address is public where I held the funds: 1Eog8UqRFLufC71rBLt2nYgfUDskgxAyVF

You can see below 500 BTC was received on 3/22/2013 and I sent 500 BTC to the new multi-sig treasury address on 5/25/2019.
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/1Eog8UqRFLufC71rBLt2nYgfUDskgxAyVF

How come are we now only hearing about this theft? Because that is alot of coins.

This argument has been continuing on for ages. Years. How did this argument initially start and how long ago to be exact? I was checking his rep how did you even find out MrDove and gravitate was his alts? And if he is gravitate wouldn’t that be pretty bad for him? I checked the rep on that account it is hella hated.

That sounds like what happened to Flying Hellfish.  Stand up guy, great moderator.   OG left him negative feedback lying about his agreement with pirate.  Now I see his negative feedback has been removed, and he has left the forum.  If OGNasty thinks he can bully his way through life, I'd advise him to stock up on anal lube.  :/

My feedback on OG is correct, as evidenced by my permanent DT position.  He now feels the figurative noose around his neck, and is too scared to even lie to me anymore.   That's a win for the forum. no?

I'm not here to annoy you guys.  I'm just collecting info for the lawsuit, and I will continue to point out new scams I discover.

 

Hello dear reader!

If you made it this far through all OG's contradictions - congratulations!   You are probably wondering why he removed most of his negative trust against me.  Since he is reading but not replying. I can only provide the possibilities - you'll have to decide for yourself.

a) All the feedback and stories about me are a lie
b) He no longer wants to warn people about me

He left one negative feedback (he has to!) taking words out of context and using Theymos as validation.    Surprise!

 

I don't think that timeline is anywhere near correct.  

Theymos sent 500 btc to several members - they all stole the coins and vanished.   OGNasty, working with Theymos, gave them back because he is able to scam more here.   Theymos decided to remove OG as the last treasurer, and add him into a multi sig agreement.  He still gets paid with tax free money, but not as much as he did before.

Anyway, I've sent you all emails between myself and RR.

Vod

Always editing for spelling. 

Understandable.   

I lost interest to maintain the site and never renewed the domain.

I always follow rules.  Now can you clarify what you did wrong to lose your website?

True and I believe those are some basic information. Webmasters collect their own customized information to perform extensive data analysis. Thanks for your clarifications by the way.

OG was my best buddy until he started writing things that conflicted with other things he wrote.   You need to trust your best buddies, which is why OG needs matchmakers like you; he must be very lonely.

I think 53 pages of lies without being able to show any evidence of any crime or lie has taken the toll on OG.  We could be friends, but I've caught him too many times and now he is ignoring me.  

I can't see it making any difference, as he ignores any questions people ask him anyway.  Even on his sober days he is unable to produce any intelligent response.   Now I'm free to interact with newbies and start projects and catch scammers without his annoying little power trips.  Hopefully Cyrus, or whoever takes over, implements a true distributed trust system, and doesn't keep his scammer friends on DT1 via his "lottery".

 

How ironic the twists and turns of life? 

You guys should be the best of buddies.. by now, but instead years of drama... .and sure, sometimes some of us don't exactly know the details of all the various events, even though we might have some ideas about some of the parts, and maybe have some of our opinions that we may or may not want to express.. and likely you realize that frequently normies do not want to be drug into too much drama if it is possible to avoid some of it . .. or maybe sometimes it might become necessary to take some measures.. and maybe there can be dilemmas too.. .. .

I can relate in some sense, because I have had plenty of my own drama in real life, and I know that sometimes the level and the direction of the drama and the disputes can just spiral towards very weird places.... or even involve some theories that might be difficult to either support in the law or to get members to rally behind such claims.. even if they might start to familiarize themselves and/or re-familiarize themselves with facts, logic, conclusions (or purported conclusions)... and facts change too.. and ongoing actions of the people involved might change opinions of forum members, too...