Vod just left negative feedback for iCEBREAKER after he left Vod negative rating

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Quote from: TECSHARE on January 08, 2015, 05:22:42 AM

Quote from: BadBear on January 08, 2015, 04:48:53 AM

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Yep, everything is a joke or a "conspiracy" when it comes to those in power here being accountable, yet when some one else breaks the rules...

In fairness to BadBear, I understand why he'd want to deflect rather than respond to this post, in which I politely cut him a couple of new assholes:

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 07, 2015, 10:31:16 AM

Quote from: BadBear on January 07, 2015, 09:15:18 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 07, 2015, 09:03:40 AM

Vod is just being a dick, not making an honest accusation that he could reasonably believe to be true.

So are you to be fair. You troll a lot, this looks like more of the same. Do you feel that you can leave Vod feedback, but he isn't allowed to do the same?

To be fair, I'm not on the default trust list. Nor did I make a dishonest accusation that I could not reasonably believe to be true.

The point was made (and enforced) in the TECSHARE imbroglio that default trust list members are held to a much higher standard than Joe Sixpost.

If Vod wasn't on the default trust list, I wouldn't GAS about his feedback.

Also, I've removed the feedback to which he originally objected. At the time I left it, I wasn't aware TECSHARE had been removed from default trust.

And yes, I troll a lot. But that's all in good fun, and I don't make irrefutable weasel accusations like "possibly hacked account" from a position of authority.

Plus, at least one other person who does not troll a lot (Quickseller) has stated that he finds Vod's behavior reprehensible and unacceptable.

Thanks for looking into this matter. Please reconsider your opinion, minus the false equivalence and ad hom.

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Quote from: BadBear on January 08, 2015, 04:48:53 AM

Yep, everything is a joke or a "conspiracy" when it comes to those in power here being accountable, yet when some one else breaks the rules...

In reality this is not at all a joke. People spend YEARS of effort to build reputations in this community, and the staff and their protected minions just exploit the honest practices of these users by using their reputation as leverage to shut them up for pointing this out.

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Quote from: BadBear on January 08, 2015, 04:48:53 AM

OK we get it.

Default trust list members are held to rigorously high standards and promptly removed if they abuse their position.

Unless their name is Vod.

/thread

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Quote from: Tomatocage on January 07, 2015, 03:23:52 PM

IMHO everybody participating in the practice of leaving negative Trust in retaliation should cease this immediately. This is not what the Trust system is for, and doing so only diminishes the value of our ratings. Also we should go back and audit our Trust ratings periodically so that only those who are legitimately untrustworthy (ie. they've been proven to be scammers or walk/talk like a scammer and want you to send first without escrow, etc) remain with negative Trust. Finally, Trust ratings should not be set in stone. If someone gets lit red because of a loan default, but then eventually pays it back, I feel that the negative rating should be removed. Gotta keep in mind that everybody has their own life and their own life issues to deal with, and sometimes shit happens. And yes, I realize I should probably do a better job of heeding my own advice.

While I don't agree with the practice of self proclaimed "scambusters" running around telling people to respect their authoritah, or the practice in general, because IMO it is minimally effective and often counter productive (scammers return in minutes, honest users caught in it probably never return), out of all the people engaging in a proactive attempt to stop scammers you would seem to be the only one that really honors the standards they claim to keep. IMO you are quite responsible about how you leave trust in the vast majority of cases.

Quote from: BadBear on January 08, 2015, 02:20:28 AM

Quote from: Lethn on January 07, 2015, 04:00:11 PM

It was only a matter of time before something like this ended up happening, especially with the fact on this forum we conduct real deals, I hope that the moderators will have the sense not to give in to this bullshit and drastically change the rules or ban anyone for that matter just because a few morons are screaming the loudest. The people bitching about Vod even if they are correct are counting on you to overreact and start banning people left and right, then slowly, they'll get support to try and take over the forum or try and get a good portion of the community to leave.

I've seen this kind of crap before and it's always something completely pointless that starts it.

Can't please everybody, and if you try you'll just end up pleasing nobody.

What I don't think staff realize is that their iron fisted punishments for the general public, and their general silence when someone in their clique breaks the rules, sews a lot of malcontent and erodes their own authority. When those in charge do not follow rule of law, no one respects rule of law any more, and what has been happening around here lately is a symptom of that.

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Quote from: Lethn on January 07, 2015, 04:00:11 PM

It was only a matter of time before something like this ended up happening, especially with the fact on this forum we conduct real deals, I hope that the moderators will have the sense not to give in to this bullshit and drastically change the rules or ban anyone for that matter just because a few morons are screaming the loudest. The people bitching about Vod even if they are correct are counting on you to overreact and start banning people left and right, then slowly, they'll get support to try and take over the forum or try and get a good portion of the community to leave.

I've seen this kind of crap before and it's always something completely pointless that starts it.

Can't please everybody, and if you try you'll just end up pleasing nobody.

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That wasn't actually sarcasm, but I'm glad you at least got the point that it wasn't a serious statement.

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Quote from: takagari on January 07, 2015, 02:53:17 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 07, 2015, 02:49:51 AM

Hmmm, I would say this is probably not appropriate. He claims that it is a possibly hacked account, however his password was not changed in the last 30 days.

I think that Icebreaker's trust left for Vod is probably a misunderstanding of the entire situation, however he is entitled to his opinion about Vod's left feedback for TECHSHARE.

I think Vod should remove his trust for Icebreaker as this is more of an example of him trying to silence critics.

I would say this is somewhat of an example of leaving trust because of "trust abuse" and anyone who leaves those kinds of reports should not have any of their trust reports relied upon

You've not changed yours in 30 days, so your password could be compromised.
Therefor shall we all leave negative feedback on your trust. You could very well be a hacked account :O

Constantly posts BS because he is a sore dolt. Honest discussion is one thing, but sarcasm goes too far. Roll Eyes

Quote from: Vod on January 07, 2015, 06:18:16 PM

I'm glad to read his account wasn't hacked. I've removed my trust warning.

Should still leave a neutral quoting his rating on your "wall" with a reference thread link to one of the threads TECSHARE made in Meta, so he can read the whole story...

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I'm glad to read his account wasn't hacked. I've removed my trust warning.

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Quote from: Lethn on January 07, 2015, 04:00:11 PM

It was only a matter of time before something like this ended up happening, especially with the fact on this forum we conduct real deals, I hope that the moderators will have the sense not to give in to this bullshit and drastically change the rules or ban anyone for that matter just because a few morons are screaming the loudest. The people bitching about Vod even if they are correct are counting on you to overreact and start banning people left and right, then slowly, they'll get support to try and take over the forum or try and get a good portion of the community to leave.

I've seen this kind of crap before and it's always something completely pointless that starts it.

no,
I'd just like the negative mark taken off my rating. Or vod removed from default trust.
But I can see how that seems like a forum take over.

Lethn

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It was only a matter of time before something like this ended up happening, especially with the fact on this forum we conduct real deals, I hope that the moderators will have the sense not to give in to this bullshit and drastically change the rules or ban anyone for that matter just because a few morons are screaming the loudest. The people bitching about Vod even if they are correct are counting on you to overreact and start banning people left and right, then slowly, they'll get support to try and take over the forum or try and get a good portion of the community to leave.

I've seen this kind of crap before and it's always something completely pointless that starts it.

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Quote from: Tomatocage on January 07, 2015, 03:23:52 PM

IMHO everybody participating in the practice of leaving negative Trust in retaliation should cease this immediately. This is not what the Trust system is for, and doing so only diminishes the value of our ratings. Also we should go back and audit our Trust ratings periodically so that only those who are legitimately untrustworthy (ie. they've been proven to be scammers or walk/talk like a scammer and want you to send first without escrow, etc) remain with negative Trust. Finally, Trust ratings should not be set in stone. If someone gets lit red because of a loan default, but then eventually pays it back, I feel that the negative rating should be removed. Gotta keep in mind that everybody has their own life and their own life issues to deal with, and sometimes shit happens. And yes, I realize I should probably do a better job of heeding my own advice.

Thank you. No more "he started it" bullshit, please. Retaliating to negative feedback with a trust war is absolutely childish. PM each other and sort it out like real people! I do audit my own trust ratings every once in an odd while, and usually remove a good amount of negatives (and positives, sometimes). Trust wars make both sides look ridiculous and makes them both even more steady with their ratings. No-one gets anywhere - if anything, we take steps backward.

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Quote from: Tomatocage on January 07, 2015, 03:23:52 PM

IMHO everybody participating in the practice of leaving negative Trust in retaliation should cease this immediately. This is not what the Trust system is for, and doing so only diminishes the value of our ratings. Also we should go back and audit our Trust ratings periodically so that only those who are legitimately untrustworthy (ie. they've been proven to be scammers or walk/talk like a scammer and want you to send first without escrow, etc) remain with negative Trust. Finally, Trust ratings should not be set in stone. If someone gets lit red because of a loan default, but then eventually pays it back, I feel that the negative rating should be removed. Gotta keep in mind that everybody has their own life and their own life issues to deal with, and sometimes shit happens. And yes, I realize I should probably do a better job of heeding my own advice.

It'd be nice to be able to modify a feedback instead of just delete it. I don't like the idea of just removing negative trust since people should know what has gone on in the past, but in your example it would be nice to just switch the negative to a neutral while leaving the reference link and an edited comment in place. You can always delete and repost it, but that's another couple steps that need to be done.

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IMHO everybody participating in the practice of leaving negative Trust in retaliation should cease this immediately. This is not what the Trust system is for, and doing so only diminishes the value of our ratings. Also we should go back and audit our Trust ratings periodically so that only those who are legitimately untrustworthy (ie. they've been proven to be scammers or walk/talk like a scammer and want you to send first without escrow, etc) remain with negative Trust. Finally, Trust ratings should not be set in stone. If someone gets lit red because of a loan default, but then eventually pays it back, I feel that the negative rating should be removed. Gotta keep in mind that everybody has their own life and their own life issues to deal with, and sometimes shit happens. And yes, I realize I should probably do a better job of heeding my own advice.

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Quote from: rugrats on January 07, 2015, 02:48:34 PM

Whoa. This changes everything. If we go by Theymos' standard, a number of people on the DefaultList and Depth Level 2 is liable to be penalized.

Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on January 07, 2015, 10:10:48 AM

For the record, theymos removed me from DefaultTrust when I gave negative trust to gweedo, who made a number of very misleading attack threads on me and my businesses. Here's the PM I received from theymos:

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You have just been sent a personal message by theymos on Bitcoin Forum.

IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email.

The message they sent you was:

IMO your ratings of gweedo are inappropriate. His thread title is inaccurate and overly harsh, but this doesn't imply that he's untrustworthy. I feel that allowing your ratings to exist in the default trust network would be counter to the forum's mission of free speech, so I've removed you from the default trust network.

Did the forum's mission of free speech disappear?!

Magically rules and standards don't apply when it means the staff have to be responsible for obeying rules they have no problem enforcing upon others.

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Whoa. This changes everything. If we go by Theymos' standard, a number of people on the DefaultList and Depth Level 2 is liable to be penalized.

Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on January 07, 2015, 10:10:48 AM

For the record, theymos removed me from DefaultTrust when I gave negative trust to gweedo, who made a number of very misleading attack threads on me and my businesses. Here's the PM I received from theymos:

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You have just been sent a personal message by theymos on Bitcoin Forum.

IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email.

The message they sent you was:

IMO your ratings of gweedo are inappropriate. His thread title is inaccurate and overly harsh, but this doesn't imply that he's untrustworthy. I feel that allowing your ratings to exist in the default trust network would be counter to the forum's mission of free speech, so I've removed you from the default trust network.

Did the forum's mission of free speech disappear?!

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Quote from: hashie on January 07, 2015, 10:34:39 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 07, 2015, 10:31:16 AM

Also, I've removed the feedback to which he originally objected.

You shouldn't have!

Although made in good faith, it was partially factually incorrect w/r/t TECSHARE's default trust status.

You are welcome to replace it... Wink

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 07, 2015, 10:31:16 AM

Also, I've removed the feedback to which he originally objected.

You shouldn't have!

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Quote from: BadBear on January 07, 2015, 09:15:18 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 07, 2015, 09:03:40 AM

Vod is just being a dick, not making an honest accusation that he could reasonably believe to be true.

So are you to be fair. You troll a lot, this looks like more of the same. Do you feel that you can leave Vod feedback, but he isn't allowed to do the same?

To be fair, I'm not on the default trust list. Nor did I make a dishonest accusation that I could not reasonably believe to be true.

The point was made (and enforced) in the TECSHARE imbroglio that default trust list members are held to a much higher standard than Joe Sixpost.

If Vod wasn't on the default trust list, I wouldn't GAS about his feedback.

Also, I've removed the feedback to which he originally objected. At the time I left it, I wasn't aware TECSHARE had been removed from default trust.

And yes, I troll a lot. But that's all in good fun, and I don't make irrefutable weasel accusations like "possibly hacked account" from a position of authority.

Plus, at least one other person who does not troll a lot (Quickseller) has stated that he finds Vod's behavior reprehensible and unacceptable.

Thanks for looking into this matter. Please reconsider your opinion, minus the false equivalence and ad hom.

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Quote from: BadBear on January 07, 2015, 09:15:18 AM

So are you to be fair. You troll a lot, this looks like more of the same. Do you feel that you can leave Vod feedback, but he isn't allowed to do the same?

The difference is that Vod is currently in the default trust network. When I was in default trust, there was an expectation that you leave negative feedback only for untrustworthy actions, not leave negative feedback as retribution, or 'tit for tat', or as a punitive measure.

People who have done so at one time or another (me, TECSHARE, etc) quickly got removed from DefaultTrust. I fail to see how the circumstances are different in this case. Sure, Vod should be given some consideration for the tagging work he's done, but that consideration should be for good-faith mistakes, not intentional bad-faith actions.

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