Vod just left negative feedback for iCEBREAKER after he left Vod negative rating - page 2.

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 07, 2015, 10:05:02 AM

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the burden is on the accuser

I agree.

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how can I prove my account hasn't been "possibly hacked" Huh

you could possibly give someone like tomatocage access to your account to see the PM with your address that you could later sign a message with.

Is this somewhat of an invasion of privacy? Yes.

Would I personally do this to prove my account was not hacked? No.

Of course you wouldn't. It's asinine to expect the accused to prove themselves innocent.

It's asinine because you can't prove innocence, only demonstrate guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Vod could just say that my private key has been "possibly" compromised along with my account, and I'd be back to square one.

You can't refute a slippery weasel claim like "possibly."

Over the past 3+ years, I've had multiple successful transactions with several people on this board, but none of those count in my favor.

Vod's baseless, evidence-free accusation carries more weight, according to our broken default trust system. Roll Eyes

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For the record, theymos removed me from DefaultTrust when I gave negative trust to gweedo, who made a number of very misleading attack threads on me and my businesses. Here's the PM I received from theymos:

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You have just been sent a personal message by theymos on Bitcoin Forum.

IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email.

The message they sent you was:

IMO your ratings of gweedo are inappropriate. His thread title is inaccurate and overly harsh, but this doesn't imply that he's untrustworthy. I feel that allowing your ratings to exist in the default trust network would be counter to the forum's mission of free speech, so I've removed you from the default trust network.

Did the forum's mission of free speech disappear?!

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the burden is on the accuser

I agree.

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how can I prove my account hasn't been "possibly hacked" Huh

you could possibly give someone like tomatocage access to your account to see the PM with your address that you could later sign a message with.

Is this somewhat of an invasion of privacy? Yes.

Would I personally do this to prove my account was not hacked? No.

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I still don't see how any of vod's recent trust ratings fits with "You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer."

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 07, 2015, 09:43:41 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 07, 2015, 09:21:42 AM

You're assuming I've publicly posted an address which could be used to sign a message.

I haven't, except in PMs.

The recipients of those PMs (Carnth, DeadTerra and Friedcat) have better things to do than referee Vod's slap fights.

Even if they didn't, Vod could still say my private key was "possibly hacked" because it's not a refutable claim.

Given these facts, do you see an alternative besides "hate campaign?" Angry

Maybe Thermos or BadBear will hold Vod to the same high standard they held TECSHARE, and remove him from default trust because of his demonstrated abusive malfeasance.

i think that is the easiest solution. Weather or not you want to try to prove your self this way is ultimately up to you.

How can I prove that my account hasn't been "possibly hacked?" Huh

As I've already tried to explain, it is not a refutable claim, short of metaphysical certainty. Tongue

I cannot prove my account is impossible to hack, although common sense indicates very few hackers would be capable of emulating my distinctive writing style.

The burden of proof is on the accuser, not he accused.

Vod made the accusation, so let him prove it.

Your suggestion that I prove myself innocent is obnoxious and contrary to logic. Sorry, nothing personal. I know you are trying to help, but IMO you are doing it wrong.

Maybe Thermos could send a "Have you been hacked?" email to my account's address. That wouldn't prove anything, but perhaps be Good Enough.

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Quote from: dogie on January 07, 2015, 09:44:38 AM

Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on January 07, 2015, 05:19:49 AM

Quote from: dogie on January 07, 2015, 05:17:16 AM

Anyway.... can people stop prodding the Vod please, someone's going to lose an arm sooner or later.

So you're okay with people being hit with negative trust if they criticize Vod in a meaningful way, for something that he should be criticized for?

I'm not condoning or affirming any action he has taken, its just a bit tiring when there's 6 different VOD threads in meta.

Than maybe something should be said or done.
labeling people scammers because you disagree or they disagree with you is an abuse of the system and an abusive use of power

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on January 07, 2015, 05:19:49 AM

Quote from: dogie on January 07, 2015, 05:17:16 AM

Anyway.... can people stop prodding the Vod please, someone's going to lose an arm sooner or later.

So you're okay with people being hit with negative trust if they criticize Vod in a meaningful way, for something that he should be criticized for?

I'm not condoning or affirming any action he has taken, its just a bit tiring when there's 6 different VOD threads in meta.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 07, 2015, 09:21:42 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 07, 2015, 09:08:35 AM

I think the easiest solution would be a signed message. I agree that the trust should really not have ever been left.

It is up to you but whatever you do I would suggest not starting any kind of hate campaign.

You're assuming I've publicly posted an address which could be used to sign a message.

I haven't, except in PMs.

The recipients of those PMs (Carnth, DeadTerra and Friedcat) have better things to do than referee Vod's slap fights.

Even if they didn't, Vod could still say my private key was "possibly hacked" because it's not a refutable claim.

Given these facts, do you see an alternative besides "hate campaign?" Angry

Maybe Thermos or BadBear will hold Vod to the same high standard they held TECSHARE, and remove him from default trust because of his demonstrated abusive malfeasance.

i think that is the easiest solution. Weather or not you want to try to prove your self this way is ultimately up to you.

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So suddenly icebreaker needs to prove himself. Just like u had to fight to prove u was Canadian.

BBecause some child with a god complex is abusing a system?
It's pretty clear what the system for. It says it right beside that little point you click.

Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.

Not because your but hurt for being picked on or questioned

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 07, 2015, 09:08:35 AM

I think the easiest solution would be a signed message. I agree that the trust should really not have ever been left.

It is up to you but whatever you do I would suggest not starting any kind of hate campaign.

You're assuming I've publicly posted an address which could be used to sign a message.

I haven't, except in PMs.

The recipients of those PMs (Carnth, DeadTerra and Friedcat) have better things to do than referee Vod's slap fights.

Even if they didn't, Vod could still say my private key was "possibly hacked" because it's not a refutable claim.

Given these facts, do you see an alternative besides "hate campaign?" Angry

Maybe Thermos or BadBear will hold Vod to the same high standard they held TECSHARE, and remove him from default trust because of his demonstrated abusive malfeasance.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 07, 2015, 09:03:40 AM

Vod is just being a dick, not making an honest accusation that he could reasonably believe to be true.

So are you to be fair. You troll a lot, this looks like more of the same. Do you feel that you can leave Vod feedback, but he isn't allowed to do the same?

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I think the easiest solution would be a signed message. I agree that the trust should really not have ever been left.

It is up to you but whatever you do I would suggest not starting any kind of hate campaign.

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 07, 2015, 08:55:47 AM

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 07, 2015, 08:43:05 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 07, 2015, 02:49:51 AM

Hmmm, I would say this is probably not appropriate. He claims that it is a possibly hacked account, however his password was not changed in the last 30 days.

I think that Icebreaker's trust left for Vod is probably a misunderstanding of the entire situation, however he is entitled to his opinion about Vod's left feedback for TECHSHARE.

I think Vod should remove his trust for Icebreaker as this is more of an example of him trying to silence critics.

I would say this is somewhat of an example of leaving trust because of "trust abuse" and anyone who leaves those kinds of reports should not have any of their trust reports relied upon

My account has not been hacked.

I've been here longer than Vod.

This is clearly an abuse of his default trust, which isn't supposed to be used for petulant tit-for-tat retaliation.

Like I said it is probably not appropiate. If you can provide a signed message from an address from an old unedited post then it would squash any hacking claim and if he wants to remain reputable then he will need to remove the trust. Although I do not think that should be necessary.

I do think this is essentially leaving trust because they are engaging in "trust abuse" and any trust left for this reason makes the person's trust left be unreliable

Vod didn't make the refutable claim that my account was in fact hacked. He used the slimey, non-refutable "possibly hacked account" wording instead.

Every account on this board is "possibly hacked." Even if I signed an old address, he could still weasel around that by claiming my private key was also "possibly hacked."

Look at my recent posts; they are written with the same pompous bombast they always have been. Cheesy

Vod is just being a dick, not making an honest accusation that he could reasonably believe to be true.

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Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 07, 2015, 08:43:05 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 07, 2015, 02:49:51 AM

Hmmm, I would say this is probably not appropriate. He claims that it is a possibly hacked account, however his password was not changed in the last 30 days.

I think that Icebreaker's trust left for Vod is probably a misunderstanding of the entire situation, however he is entitled to his opinion about Vod's left feedback for TECHSHARE.

I think Vod should remove his trust for Icebreaker as this is more of an example of him trying to silence critics.

I would say this is somewhat of an example of leaving trust because of "trust abuse" and anyone who leaves those kinds of reports should not have any of their trust reports relied upon

My account has not been hacked.

I've been here longer than Vod.

This is clearly an abuse of his default trust, which isn't supposed to be used for petulant tit-for-tat retaliation.

Like I said it is probably not appropiate. If you can provide a signed message from an address from an old unedited post then it would squash any hacking claim and if he wants to remain reputable then he will need to remove the trust. Although I do not think that should be necessary.

I do think this is essentially leaving trust because they are engaging in "trust abuse" and any trust left for this reason makes the person's trust left be unreliable

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not that i am commenting on this situation but on the situation of trust as a whole. I think something needs to be done about trust that is clearly wrong and can be proven wrong. I think that this hinders the community moving forward and needs to be changed.

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 07, 2015, 02:49:51 AM

Hmmm, I would say this is probably not appropriate. He claims that it is a possibly hacked account, however his password was not changed in the last 30 days.

I think that Icebreaker's trust left for Vod is probably a misunderstanding of the entire situation, however he is entitled to his opinion about Vod's left feedback for TECHSHARE.

I think Vod should remove his trust for Icebreaker as this is more of an example of him trying to silence critics.

I would say this is somewhat of an example of leaving trust because of "trust abuse" and anyone who leaves those kinds of reports should not have any of their trust reports relied upon

My account has not been hacked.

I've been here longer than Vod.

This is clearly an abuse of his default trust, which isn't supposed to be used for petulant tit-for-tat retaliation.

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Quote from: dogie on January 07, 2015, 05:17:16 AM

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on January 07, 2015, 04:14:44 AM

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I responded to the "mocking" statement earlier above.

Lying requires intent to mislead.

Making a statement that someone may interpret differently, is not lying when there is no intent to mislead.

Spoken like a lawyer LOL

~BCX~

Or, by negligence. If I have a duty to make my instructions clear (ie by saying the word fo-our and not four), its still my fault if its interpreted incorrectly. Anyway.... can people stop prodding the Vod please, someone's going to lose an arm sooner or later.

Have you considered that maybe VOD is the one prodding too many people?

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Quote from: dogie on January 07, 2015, 05:17:16 AM

Anyway.... can people stop prodding the Vod please, someone's going to lose an arm sooner or later.

So you're okay with people being hit with negative trust if they criticize Vod in a meaningful way, for something that he should be criticized for?

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Quote from: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on January 07, 2015, 04:14:44 AM

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I responded to the "mocking" statement earlier above.

Lying requires intent to mislead.

Making a statement that someone may interpret differently, is not lying when there is no intent to mislead.

Spoken like a lawyer LOL

~BCX~

Or, by negligence. If I have a duty to make my instructions clear (ie by saying the word fo-our and not four), its still my fault if its interpreted incorrectly. Anyway.... can people stop prodding the Vod please, someone's going to lose an arm sooner or later.

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Spoken like a lawyer LOL

That's because you choose to be disruptively pedantic instead of focusing on the point of this thread, which is this feedback being inappropriate.

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