Topic: [Vote] Who did 911? - page 7. (Read 63048 times)

Yes, youtube seems to somehow be a fantastically good collaborative assist to conspiracy theories.

Check out the "NASA didn't go to the Moon" stuff.  It's incredibly bad and devoid of critical thinking or reasoning.  Yet many of these videos have 1M+ views.  That's not quite Miley Cyrus view levels (800M) but it's very high.  Yet high school math and physics will easily debunk these.

What I see is typically arguments based on mis stated premises.  For example, assume that the Tower beams had to be melted for the Tower to fall, then proceed to show how jet fuel couldn't have done that.  Anyone who's used a torch to heat up and bend rebar would just shake their heads at this kind of idiotic logic.

But these guys just go on and on about it.

Funny you bring up police brutality, when I think in most cases the brutality is justified.  Stop resisting arrest and you should be fine! 

Scary though, that the majority of people are so hateful toward the gov't they usually can't think straight, think of the people fighting police brutality for example.  I for one would hate to be a cop right now, because its way to dangerous and if you have to use force, people are going to hate you.

This isn't surprising. Think of taxes. People don't like taxes, but they like how government uses taxes even less. And think of the big real estate crash in 2008. It left many people homeless. True, it was the fault of many of these people and not the government, but the people had thought that the government had things covered for their protection. They found out differently.

The drone attacks against Pakistan haven't gone away even though much of the news about them seems to have. People don't trust that their own government wouldn't use drones on them, especially in the light of all the police brutality, lately.

There are lots of other things that are wearing on government trust.

Wow, seriously the majority of the people think it was actually the US govt?  I mean I am not completely throwing that out the window I am just surprised to see so many people think it was internal

It is reasons like this that make the government's own conspiracy theory to be one of the least plausible ideas on the planet.

People want security. They will often believe the conspiracy theory that is best suited to their feelings of security. When the truth about any conspiracy starts to come out, the people will tend to believe the truth.

Regarding 9/11 conspiracies, Google "percent people believe the official 9/11 story."

I've been thinking a lot recently about why clever people believe stupid things, especially conspiracy/cover-up type ideas. There are many reasons, relating to things like confirmation bias and pattern recognition, but I believe there's another reason why this happens, and it relates to video documentaries (where the majority of conspiritards get their information).

There is no such thing as an unbiased documentary. They can get close, but the director will always have an angle that he/she wants to portray. They do this by weaving their ideas into a narrative.

With conspiracy-type documentaries, the narrative is often cleverly devised so that it seems to build on itself throughout the film, making a certain agenda seem more plausible than it actually is. This gives the impression of multiple pieces of information compounding to create a convincing case. Just look at how many people think "Ancient Aliens" is a legitimate factual documentary - people are very easily taken in by the narrative, even though there is basically no evidence whatsoever.

Also, documentaries like this are inherently more biased than any other, because the makers have nothing to lose and everything to gain: A film about a 9/11 cover-up doesn't need to worry about any academic criticism, because they are already telling an alternative story. This gives the director carte blanche to push as shocking/misleading an agenda as possible, subsequently getting more youtube hits, and more money.

It's almost like a "meta-conspiracy"  

The trouble with your high school science is you must of been taught the wrong science..
SPENDY ...what on earth did you get taught in school..now watch this video..
just watch how clever this girl is compared to your so called nasa scientist..

AND WERE DOES HER LOGIC COME FROM..WELL YOU WATCH AND SEE

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjvCNDF4RYw..

Remember spendy the earth as been here longer than 2000 years..YOUR SCHOOLS ARE SHIT..
And also who does she thank for her logic..
Not your high school science

Yet another batshit crazy nutcase making a youtube video.

You may have missed the video below. This is Morgan O. Reynolds, professor emeritus at Texas A&M University and former director of the Criminal Justice Centre at the National Centre for Policy Analysis headquarters in Dallas, TX.

Reynolds was the former Chief Economist under George W. Bush — he’d been on the job one week when the attacks happened on September 11.

And even this guy says it was an inside job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=4&v=LA59t3G7Xqk

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/even-george-w-bushs-former-chief-economist-says-911-was-an-inside-job_102015

I don't know if it's true, but the rumor goes like this : there was a man, that every morning was having his breakfast on one of the top floor of one of the tower... every morning of the week but not this day. I don't know if it's true... it happen that it was the new owner of the tower full of asbestos and no fiber optics (if he knew that lasers would be coming...).

Scary, but useful.   

Badecker is God?  Now that's a scary thought.

Didn't mean to confuse you by jumping to one of the most basic natural laws, that of self-defense.

It is hard to determine what Karl Lentz understands. But I don't blame him for not expressing things in a more orderly fashion. With all that study in the legal system, I can understand how it would be difficult to apply common law to everything, all the while saying nothing that someone might interpret as aggression. Karl DOES do a very good job of keeping his words away from aggression. As to what he understands about common law, who knows? He isn't into expressing philosophy, but into doing what works.

How do I know that Karl is having the success that he claims? I don't. But when you see the things that Bill Thornton and Richard Cornforth say, Karl is right on, even better than they are. So, he certainly could be having the successes he says.



Science that dispels universal cause and effect, or universal entropy, or universal complexity is science that has not been proven true. Thus, God exists.

I have not a clue as to how to create any of the things of the universe. As I grow older, I find that I grow weaker, a thing that I would turn around if I were God. In fact, it seems to be the opposite, sort of. The more I express the God of the Bible as God, the more my youthfulness seems to remain with me.

This just shows that you don't know what Natural Law is. You are talking about self-defense (also known as the sacred masculine principle), which is distinct from the non-aggression principle (the sacred feminine principle). The keyword is the initiation of violence. You have the right of self-defense, but NEVER the right to initiate violence. You are not a moral human being if you don't embrace the non-aggression principle. Again I reiterate that I bet Mark Passio will help clarify your belief system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgRjTuQ039g

I've seen a few videos from Karl Lentz... he's good at understanding THEIR game, but like you, he doesn't quite understand the real game that is the reality you are experiencing, which is "governed" not by rich old fucks in suits, but by the Natural Law. Check it out bro.



So you've been religiously indocrinated? You can't break free from the belief in "authority" if you worship an external demiurgic entity... YOU are God, my friend... just temporarily pretending that you're not.

YOU get out there and find the truth. Don't assume you already know.

Well, thanks for saying this, finally. Wished that I had seen it earlier if you had said it, or, if you didn't, that you had.

No reason to continue, because high school science isn't generally complex enough to apply to 9/11. Oh sure, individual pieces of science might easily apply. But the complexity of combining many aspects of several sciences simply doesn't, because it isn't taught in high school.

High school kids might get a kick out of trying to apply their knowledge of science in the complexity of ways that fit the 9/11 questions. But for us? Easy way out for both of us, right?



EDIT: Are you finally admitting that you know 9/11 was an inside job?

No ducking and dodging.  You are WELCOME to present the very best arguments for conspiracy theories of 911.  And I have committed to attempt to destroy them using ONLY high school science.

So far we are batting about 23 Spendulus, 0 Baddecker.

Getting real is the whole idea. Some of those high school students just might go on to college for construction and/or demolition training. Let's hope they learn a little more than they learned in high school before they go on to building buildings or taking them down.

Each and every time I have examined one of your links and applied high school level science to it, the claims were demonstrated to be false.

Your links can't even get a passing grade in high school.

Let's get real here.

LOL! No, don't appeal to the experts. Rather appeal to the high school kids. LOL!

Many website links have been posted in previous pages of this thread that have information in them that shows why and how the official story is bunk. The info from those website pages could be posted directly, evermore filling up the servers that host Bitcointalk. But, what would be the use? You would simply say that it wasn't true, anyway.

You are welcome to believe what you want, of course, and certainly not because I say so. But realize. You are turning your reality into a cult by keeping yourself blind to the facts.

Another term for The Evil Jews.  This term is used sarcastically against people who actually believe Jews are Evil and Do Nasty Stuff Like 911.