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Quote from: Solosanz on February 04, 2024, 03:45:24 AM

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A VPN can't always be used to bypass geographical restrictions and get full access to services such as gambling. Most gambling platforms that have restrictions for certain countries will ask their customers for KYC verification at some point, and that is when the people who are using VPNs will be in trouble because you can't verify your account if you are from a country that is restricted and if you have money in your account, you can't withdraw them without completing KYC verification.

Guess what, they can still trick the casinos by buying someone else KYC, so whenever the casinos ask to submit KYC, they don't have to worry since they already have a personal information of someone who live in that country.

Of course there's always other risk of buying a fake KYC or there's other account using a same KYC, but it's what it's. KYC can't be used to fight against fake accounts, moreover we have AI that you can train and develop using someone else face.

Yes, some individuals purchase fake identities that have been obtained through illegal means. Even if they can use such identities to pass the KYC verification process, there are still restrictions. In the event of any issues arising, like the one mentioned in the OP, they will have limited options to take action.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on January 31, 2024, 08:58:06 AM

VPN is something that is popular and widely used, including for gambling. Regardless of privacy issues or access to sites that are prohibited in a country. Regardless of whether a casino's policy allows the use of vpn or not, are there any differences in protection for gamblers when they come from countries where gambling is legal?

What kind of protection you are looking? If you agree with the terms of a regulated casino, they have the right to know your IP address and the location you are accessing it, but that doesn't mean they have the right to share it without your consent, they should still value the confidentiality of that information as they are also required to do so by their regulators.

Gambling using vpn to gain privacy is only applicable on sites that aren't regulated IMO.

Quote from: PytagoraZ on January 31, 2024, 08:58:06 AM

Such as protection for gamblers who are cheated by casinos because their games are considered suspicious or because their accounts are blocked unilaterally by the casino. If yes, how do report it? if there isn't then there is no difference between countries that legalize gambling and those that don't

That could really happen, you can't argue with it as they know what they are doing. You can report if you have a legal basis, but if there's none, you just have the accept the consequences of your action. We've heard a lot of stories like this, that's why as much as possible avoid using VPN to bypass restriction.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on January 31, 2024, 08:58:06 AM

VPN is something that is popular and widely used, including for gambling. Regardless of privacy issues or access to sites that are prohibited in a country. Regardless of whether a casino's policy allows the use of vpn or not, are there any differences in protection for gamblers when they come from countries where gambling is legal?

Such as protection for gamblers who are cheated by casinos because their games are considered suspicious or because their accounts are blocked unilaterally by the casino. If yes, how do report it? if there isn't then there is no difference between countries that legalize gambling and those that don't

Crypto gambling space is a wild west! A lot of crazy things happened before, so if we can draw any conclusion it's that sometimes it can be difficult for the player to get justice. Those who live in well-arranged countries can turn to some institutions I guess, but for many of us who live in fucked-up countries the only way to for solving issues is by reporting it to this forum, CasinoGuru, and AskGamblers.

I have been using VPN for a while, but just to play some providers. I only used it in casinos that allow VPN and I never had any problems. But as some other members pointed out using VPN can be a double-edged sword, that's why I don't use it anymore. I play providers that are allowed for me, I simply don't wish to get into a situation where a casino can decide to just ban me because my country is restricted.

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Quote from: Webetcoins on February 04, 2024, 03:08:42 AM

A VPN can't always be used to bypass geographical restrictions and get full access to services such as gambling. Most gambling platforms that have restrictions for certain countries will ask their customers for KYC verification at some point, and that is when the people who are using VPNs will be in trouble because you can't verify your account if you are from a country that is restricted and if you have money in your account, you can't withdraw them without completing KYC verification.

Guess what, they can still trick the casinos by buying someone else KYC, so whenever the casinos ask to submit KYC, they don't have to worry since they already have a personal information of someone who live in that country.

Of course there's always other risk of buying a fake KYC or there's other account using a same KYC, but it's what it's. KYC can't be used to fight against fake accounts, moreover we have AI that you can train and develop using someone else face.

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A VPN can't always be used to bypass geographical restrictions and get full access to services such as gambling. Most gambling platforms that have restrictions for certain countries will ask their customers for KYC verification at some point, and that is when the people who are using VPNs will be in trouble because you can't verify your account if you are from a country that is restricted and if you have money in your account, you can't withdraw them without completing KYC verification.

Those who use VPNs to access casino platforms and aren't asked for KYC verification are lucky. Some casinos don't ask for KYC verification unless they suspect something or see something unusual. So, if you are making small deposits and withdrawals, you might get away with it, but the odds for that are very tiny.

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Quote from: BABY SHOES on February 01, 2024, 02:17:51 AM

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It goes back to the individual again, even though the prohibition is clear in our country, there are still many people gambling, but just for entertainment it doesn't matter, especially if it doesn't make us stressed. Just enjoy it.

Yes only as a means for entertainment and stress relief, Everything is indeed banned in our country.
But some gambling apps still seem to be allowed and it's just considered a regular game so there is no blocking.

Quote from: logfiles on February 03, 2024, 04:59:42 PM

Most casino prohibit use of VPNs because they think or know certain people try to circumvent some security measures in order to abuse the casino. if you see them talk against VPN use in their ToS. Then you should never bother using any at all or else you will end up being asked to KYC and then have your account blocked.

If you care about privacy, then don't use a casino that asks for KYC.

I once got a few messages from one of the casinos even the use of a VPN is prohibited according to the ToS,
but because they are quite new and need more members, they allowed me to play using a VPN.

It did defy the ToS rules for the sake of adding more users.
Most users are in zones that prohibit gambling and block it.

and for KYC that must be applied, of course, it will avoid it because it will be related to privacy.
The use of KYC also follows government rules so that it is not used as a place for money laundering,
quite dilemmatic but the plague of the rules that must be obeyed.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on January 31, 2024, 08:58:06 AM

VPN is something that is popular and widely used, including for gambling. Regardless of privacy issues or access to sites that are prohibited in a country. Regardless of whether a casino's policy allows the use of vpn or not, are there any differences in protection for gamblers when they come from countries where gambling is legal?

Such as protection for gamblers who are cheated by casinos because their games are considered suspicious or because their accounts are blocked unilaterally by the casino. If yes, how do report it? if there isn't then there is no difference between countries that legalize gambling and those that don't

Most casino prohibit use of VPNs because they think or know certain people try to circumvent some security measures in order to abuse the casino. if you see them talk against VPN use in their ToS. Then you should never bother using any at all or else you will end up being asked to KYC and then have your account blocked.

If you care about privacy, then don't use a casino that asks for KYC.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on January 31, 2024, 08:58:06 AM

VPN is something that is popular and widely used, including for gambling. Regardless of privacy issues or access to sites that are prohibited in a country. Regardless of whether a casino's policy allows the use of vpn or not, are there any differences in protection for gamblers when they come from countries where gambling is legal?

Such as protection for gamblers who are cheated by casinos because their games are considered suspicious or because their accounts are blocked unilaterally by the casino. If yes, how do report it? if there isn't then there is no difference between countries that legalize gambling and those that don't

The thing is that international gambling sites are exempt from the law let's be real here, and countries who ban gambling whether online or offline are doing so with the fact that some casinos online are also operating within their territories, which would effectively ensure they're not beyond the long arm of the law when shit gets real and they receive an arrest warrant. So you can't fault these countries for not being able to do something. Plus I don't think reputable casinos are just gonna ban you out of nowhere, pretty sure you would need to break a few of their bylaws before you even receive a ban warning, so when your account gets banned I pretty much assume that 9 times out of 10 you had it coming.

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As far as I know not many countries have specific authorities for gambling but if I'm not mistaken the UK has quite strict regulations regarding gambling and perhaps they have certain protections for their gamblers.

Like in Indonesia, the government prohibits gambling, but on many gambling sites Indonesia is not a prohibited country, perhaps this happens because Indonesia does not have special regulations regarding online gambling. Maybe you need to ask in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5482508 . As far as I know, a casino will have a bad rating if it is frequently reported on or gets complaints from its users and that will make the casino have a bad rating, but I have not seen any casino sued by its users through legal channels for allegedly defrauding its users.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on January 31, 2024, 08:58:06 AM

VPN is something that is popular and widely used, including for gambling. Regardless of privacy issues or access to sites that are prohibited in a country. Regardless of whether a casino's policy allows the use of vpn or not, are there any differences in protection for gamblers when they come from countries where gambling is legal?

Such as protection for gamblers who are cheated by casinos because their games are considered suspicious or because their accounts are blocked unilaterally by the casino. If yes, how do report it? if there isn't then there is no difference between countries that legalize gambling and those that don't

I think there will be differences.

If you were ever asked to be KYC'd then you would be stuffed if you were operating a VPN. Most casinos in that instance would probably withhold funds from you and claim that you lied about your country of residence (even though they should have checked prior to even accepting a deposit from you).

I would strongly recommend not using VPN to gamble at crypto casinos for this reason, unless you are sure that you are guaranteed to not be KYC'd.

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Each casino's policy is to allow or prohibit the use of VPNs. We can ask each casino before we use a VPN so that we don't experience any problems. Some casinos require a direct connection from our IP to the casino to verify our account is the same as our IP. And after that, we can use a VPN or our original IP. But some casinos prohibit the use of VPN for various reasons,, which is what we need to ask each casino. If a country prohibits gambling, people in that country certainly cannot gamble, and they will use VPNs to visit its casinos, and look for casinos that allow VPN use. Each gambler will choose to use a VPN or not to use a VPN because they have their own reasons.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on January 31, 2024, 09:20:44 AM

So that's all? countries where gambling is legal do not have laws or institutions to protect gamblers from online casino fraud? So how does a casino license work if gamblers cannot report or protect their gambling activities?

There are laws that protect gamblers from online casino fraud but the problem is tracing the perpetrators. This is also one reason why the government does not hesitate to shut down any illegal online casino operations if ever they found out that the casino audience is from their country and yet they do not have any license to cater to their citizen.

Quote from: PytagoraZ on January 31, 2024, 09:20:44 AM

If the difference is only about KYC, then I think gambling from a prohibited country and not doesn't seem to have a significant difference, and VPN can be used to access gambling sites by changing the IP address

The implementation of region restriction is not for the players protection but rather for the casino protection. Since a country deemed gambling as illegal, operating or catering their citizen means the casino is violating their law and by that, the government can go after the casino and file cases that can penalize the casino owner.

[1] https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/97-619.html

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on January 31, 2024, 08:58:06 AM

VPN is something that is popular and widely used, including for gambling. Regardless of privacy issues or access to sites that are prohibited in a country. Regardless of whether a casino's policy allows the use of vpn or not, are there any differences in protection for gamblers when they come from countries where gambling is legal?

Such as protection for gamblers who are cheated by casinos because their games are considered suspicious or because their accounts are blocked unilaterally by the casino. If yes, how do report it? if there isn't then there is no difference between countries that legalize gambling and those that don't

There are very few ways to report such things unfortunately, since most crypto casinos are based at offshore jurisdictions like small islands or small countries far from most customers countries, providing poor regulation and protection for customers. So you can try to report to their gambling authorities but it could more efficient to report your dispute here, in the Scam Accusations section, on specialized sites like Casino Guru or Ask Gamblers, on review ones like Trust pilot, or on social medias.

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VPN can give the protection and make you access online gambling sites even when it is illegal and prohibited in your country. VPN does this by masking your real IP address and making it appear as if you are accessing the internet from another country where gambling is legal. By connecting to a VPN server in a country where online gambling is allowed, you can bypass these restrictions and access gambling websites.

However, it is good to respect the laws of your country regarding gambling as using VPN to engage in gambling activities can attract punishment if caught because sometimes your anonymity might not be guaranteed.

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Using a VPN to access gambling sites is already wrong, why should you expect to get protection from the wrong things?
It's as if we are illegal immigrants who need to find work in a country, then we are deceived by the boss. After that, we ask for justice in that country with our status as illegal immigrants?
Of course, you yourself will be imprisoned by the country, not because of fraud, but because the way you entered was wrong, namely through unofficial immigration.
The analogy is the same as that, so in my opinion it is clear that there is no protection for members who are registered in a country that prohibits gambling sites.

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Quote from: Mauser on February 03, 2024, 09:45:43 AM

I am using a VPN when surfing the internet, but never when I gamble. It's quite easy to use free VPNs when being online to get another layer of protection. Especially when visiting some sketchy websites or making some downloads than could lead to issue, I find VPNs very helpful. When I gamble I am more afraid of the negative consequences of using VPNs than the benefits they give me. Which is why I avoid them. Gambling is legal in my country, but still some casinos are not operating here. It would be nice to check out their websites, but using money and VPNs together makes me a bit uncomfortable. What if I win big only for the casino to lock my account? This could lead to a long dispute and I am not sure if I have any legal loophole to exploit. The first contact should always be the customer support and see how we can fix the issue. In my case I try to avoid the issue completely and won't be using a VPN.

I agree. While VPNs have legitimate privacy uses, using it with gambling sites can actually cause more problems than it solves. Many sites explicitly ban VPNs in their terms of service because unfortunately they get abused by some folks trying to cheat or abuse bonuses. So if you care about playing by the rules, best to avoid VPNs altogether when depositing or playing games.

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It's better if you check the terms before using VPN, if they allow it means you might not have a problem (if we talk the relation between you and the site). But when it comes to report the casino to authority, I don't think you will able to change anything since online casino isn't completely regulated and backed by strong laws.

Quote from: target on January 31, 2024, 11:13:40 AM

You may be able to prove the casino cheated on you but then you will also have to face the law.

In another words, you won... but at what cost?

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on January 31, 2024, 08:58:06 AM

VPN is something that is popular and widely used, including for gambling. Regardless of privacy issues or access to sites that are prohibited in a country. Regardless of whether a casino's policy allows the use of vpn or not, are there any differences in protection for gamblers when they come from countries where gambling is legal?

Such as protection for gamblers who are cheated by casinos because their games are considered suspicious or because their accounts are blocked unilaterally by the casino. If yes, how do report it? if there isn't then there is no difference between countries that legalize gambling and those that don't

If you want to be safe when using a gambling site, you should really avoid ever using a VPN, as you will often find that they are explicitly restricted and forbidden in many terms. They unfortunately are often used by cheaters and abusers to hide, which makes them a target for casino companies who can only block them to avoid issues. They are often also shared between many users, which mean you might get accidentally mistaken for someone breaking the rules as there are few ways to identify you reliably outside of the IP address. If a casino does not want your business, because of jurisdiction limitations, you might set yourself up for failure when trying to cash out when you have to supply identity documents that say you are in a country they've banned from accessing the site.

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Quote from: PytagoraZ on January 31, 2024, 08:58:06 AM

VPN is something that is popular and widely used, including for gambling. Regardless of privacy issues or access to sites that are prohibited in a country. Regardless of whether a casino's policy allows the use of vpn or not, are there any differences in protection for gamblers when they come from countries where gambling is legal?

Such as protection for gamblers who are cheated by casinos because their games are considered suspicious or because their accounts are blocked unilaterally by the casino. If yes, how do report it? if there isn't then there is no difference between countries that legalize gambling and those that don't

I am using a VPN when surfing the internet, but never when I gamble. It's quite easy to use free VPNs when being online to get another layer of protection. Especially when visiting some sketchy websites or making some downloads than could lead to issue, I find VPNs very helpful. When I gamble I am more afraid of the negative consequences of using VPNs than the benefits they give me. Which is why I avoid them. Gambling is legal in my country, but still some casinos are not operating here. It would be nice to check out their websites, but using money and VPNs together makes me a bit uncomfortable. What if I win big only for the casino to lock my account? This could lead to a long dispute and I am not sure if I have any legal loophole to exploit. The first contact should always be the customer support and see how we can fix the issue. In my case I try to avoid the issue completely and won't be using a VPN.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on January 31, 2024, 09:05:00 AM

Example is that gambling is banned in China, but some Chinese are gambling online in foreign countries and also in their country. VPN is used to block the IP used. You will see some gamblers that read the ToS of a gambling site and if VPN is allowed, they might gamble on the site from countries that gambling is not legal. That is just it. This can be common to gambling sites that are not well known and not regulated.

Gambling site that are not well known, and/or not regulated usually don't have any restrictions when it comes to countries that are accepted to play on that casino and countries that are not allowed, for what I do know is that, with a casino getting an operating licenses and becoming regulated; comes with restrictions of certain regions or jurisdictions where their operating license does not cover, and does not permit them to operate there.

And also, same way, VPN usage is also very common with casinos that are not regulated as well, since the use of VPN on such site is possibly meaningless aside from the fact that it's being used to hide the gamblers real location or ip.
But on the other hand, some regulated casinos still allow the use of VPN as along as the gambler is not playing from a restricted area or jurisdiction, as anytime the casino suspects that the gambler is playing from a restricted place, they may ask such player to pass kyc verification, and once the player submits his or her documents and the casino confirms that the player is actually playing from a place that they have restricted, then such players account will be banned and funds in it confiscated.

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