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legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
At least no one is saying to buy the dip... Not sure if that is good or bad though.

They are not?

You believe that we are in a falling knife situation?

There are probably several of us who participate in this thread who have engaged in plenty of attempts to catch the falling knife that don't seem to work very well in the short-run, but in the longer run, they have tended to pay off.

Even if we go down from here, as I type, we are still more than 18x up from our largely $250 price floating point from 2015.

Even if the value of the BTC portfolio of many of us is likely less than 18x up, we are still in  a not too bad place.

I am still buying the dip... but I am starting to feel a little bit like how I felt in September 2017... remember when the BTC price dropped below $3k, and such price drop seemed to have gone below $3k quite rapidly and beyond expectations.

Gosh, gosh, gosh.  $3k possible again, or would a drop below $5k cause a similar feeling as the drop in september 2017?

Yes, the september 2017 dump was UGLY.

Part of my problem on the september 2017 dump was that I had gone on a trip, so when the price dumped, I had pretty much used up all of my funds that was on the exchanges, and I was not able to move funds around .. so I felt kind of trapped.  I thought that the subsequent price rise, had allowed me to lessen the likelihood of something like that happening again... but this one could be bringing back those kinds of memories in which I am running out of exchange fiat...

Unfortunately I already got my hands badly cut from the falling knifes. And not much remaining (trading) FIAT anyways.

You are correct that it remains so damned tempting to use up more and more fiat when the price gets stuck in a range for so long (including the price range in which $5,800 seemed to had been the bottom).

I am tempted to set some limit orders for all the remaining or even market buy and forget about Bitcoin for a long while as I did during most of 2014 and 2015. It paid off to be honest.

Sometimes, set it and forget it can be good, and I understand that running out of money can be a bit of a bitch.

Sometimes, just moving out the amounts can be reassuring, just to feel that you have some skin in the game.

Let's say that you are down to your last $1,000.  In that case, you could set buy orders of $100 every $250 down (which would be 10 buy orders). that would allow you to have fiat for orders lower than $3k.  Even if you have less than $1k, you could still create either smaller amounts or larger increments or both.

Many people have a set amount of money that is in their current funds, and they also may or may not have a cashflow that allows them an amount of possible additional $10 per month or $100 or $1,000 or whatever that amount is that can be plugged into their cashflow expectations..   If the extra money comes at certain days of the month, it can be plugged into the available amounts, and does not need to be used right away, and it should not matter whether the price is up or down, the cashflow amount gets plugged in within a reasonable period of time after it comes available, which of course, such cashflow would less likely to be urgent if the BTC price jumps up $1k from here as compared if BTC prices were to jump down an additional $1k from here.


What can I say, your methodical plan of selling on the way up has proven much more effective than mine.

There is no need for anyone to compete, and surely, sometimes any of us can run out of money or need to reallocate in order that we are prepared for more extreme situations.  Of course, one could argue that I bought back way too much BTC in the supra $10k range, but we cannot really be sure if the BTC price is going to continue down or to proceed up.. and the better scenario is merely to attempt to prepare for as much down that seems to be reasonable and even to account for some of the extreme possibilities (which $3k has continuously been within my preparation range, and surely it is going to hurt even more to go a lot further below $3k because that is not as much within my own preparation expectations (even the more extreme scenarios that we know can happen in bitcoinlandia).


I messed all up when I kept reducing the amount of trading until a point where I was trading with less than 5-10% of my total "cold" stash. My trades were not bad overall but what difference did I expect to make with that little proportion?

I understand that peeps have a trading stash and also an overall stash, but personally, I like to consider my trading stash to be a portion of my overall stash.

So for example if I were to own a total of 10 BTC, I might sell 1% of that total for every 10% that the BTC price goes up.  So, yeah, maybe I am only selling .1 BTC and seemingly lesser quantity every time that the BTC price goes up 10%.  So if the BTC price goes up 100%, maybe i have sold 1BTC, but then my next sell would only be .09BTC, rather than .1BTC, but it seems that I am also buying back BTC and the price never goes directly in one direction.  Further, I can keep a decent portion of my BTC in cold storage (or offline) because it seems that I rarely end up selling more than 10% of the total stash..   So, a decent portion of the stash is kept offline, even though the whole portfolio value is used in order to calculate how much I am authorizing myself to sell....

For some reason it works out, and if the totality of the BTC price goes up 1,000%, then it seems that I tend to still retain more than 10% of the stash in bitcoin and perhaps getting up to 10% in fiat. somehow it seems to continue to work out because even when BTC prices went up to $19,666, I still might have had about 88% of the value in BTC.. and maybe 12% in fiat - even though the BTC price had pretty much gone straight up..  

The principle on the way down is just to attempt to make sure that you never run out of cash.. which can be tricky, as you already indicated.
hero member
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legendary
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Shitcoin Minimalist
Anyone who sells beyond this point is going to cry.

People have been saying the same thing since 15k

Show me those people? Everyone here with a brain understood that after a pump to 20k it will come down to at least 6-8k with dips even lower.

Everyone in the thread claimed it was going to go from $20k to $100k except me + tera.

It is. If you hodl for years. That time is still coming and most experienced coiners know it. But any trader understands that what goes up must go down. And these ups and downs take a long time. Most people think bitcoin is something that will go from $1 to 20k and then down to 5k and back up to 100k in a week. But thats not how it works. Not even Bitcoin is that volatile. Sit on your shakey hands for now.

For bitcoin to just skyrocket to $100k for no reason, it would require being created by the evil cult of judaism as some type of enslavement device to fuck over the goyim.  But there's a decent amount of evidence that is the case such as evil Jews like Larry Summers and Ben Bernanke promoting digital currency, democrat lawmakers passing pro-cryptocurrency laws, and just about nobody in US govt actively trying to stop it, so maybe you're in luck.

The art of Tai-Chi is to anticipate your opponents next move and use his own power against him. Has Yuri Bezmenov taught you nothing?

In other words, you are literally Judas and will lie and shill for the Chinese social credit score system as long as you think you can profit from it then flee the country before everyone is rounded up and dies, except for the fact there is nowhere to actually run to in the first place.

You're pathetic roach. They have the most powerful military in the world under their little finger and control the media and pretty much all big businesses. If anything, hats off to the jews. Great job on being the only people close to world domination in this game of life we all play. And what do you do? You throw a hissy fit and whine. while the rest of us keep playing the game. You, just like the leftist liberals, have this grand illusion of how the world should be. Well here's the rub, bub. Reality is tough. It is a dog eat dog world and you are the shittiest member of our team. You are the fat kid nobody wants to pick for basketball because all you do is whine about the rules and drag the rest of the team down. I studied physics at university, I keep in shape, I keep myself at the top of the food chain. Physically, mentally and financially. What the fuck have you done in your life except borrow the success of the white race as your own?

This man earned his fucking hat.
legendary
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Never selling
Buy order money stacking up on bitstamp. Up 45% 69mil since the drop from 6400.
Either that money is readying up or its a trap.
Hodl my beer, going to check

I just keep expecting the worse.

what prices are these at
legendary
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Buy order money stacking up on bitstamp. Up 45% 69mil since the drop from 6400.
Either that money is readying up or its a trap.
Hodl my beer, going to check

Edit: realized this is my first actual wall observation post in awhile. Sorry for my shit posting of lately. More time to focus on BTC for the next 5 ~6 months.
legendary
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Never selling
looks like another drop incoming, I'm getting tired of this shit

without a doubt we are going to 3000
legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
Preparing myself for surviving next two months. Want to forget that I own bitcoin.
Any tips?

overtime
legendary
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XRP holding 2e spot and bCash down to spot 5 at Coinmarketcap (-41%)  Cheesy
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
Preparing myself for surviving next two months. Want to forget that I own bitcoin.
Any tips?

Google minimalism.
sr. member
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Preparing myself for surviving next two months. Want to forget that I own bitcoin.
Any tips?
legendary
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Never selling
well its still looking like a disaster out there. No solid bounce.

I'm wondering what were the reasons for the bottoming period in 2014/15. I always thought it might of been that the mining costs at the time made a floor at that price, but I never looked into it. Does anyone know if the mining price was around the 200 level in 2014/15?

Bitstamp getting hacked caused the $150 bottom in 2015. At that time it was the biggest exchange.

I don't mean the specific bottom, I mean the time when it was moving between 200-300, what kept it falling further? was it just no more sellers, the miners stopped selling, or more buyers coming into the market?

It was between $200 and $300 for more than 8 months, and the bearwhales could not get the price to go down further... After NOT being able to get the price to go down more, for so long, there was only on direction left, correct?

Sure, but I'm curious on a few things, specifically the price rallies during that time and lack of flat movement. The lack of movement (flat periods) may of been there, I just can't remember, but we are certainly not getting many rallies. There was a big one after it hit 150 and the price, then down to 220 area then up to 300 then back down to 220, then back to 300 then back to 200, then the rest is history.

It seems to me that there was the volume and maybe a few new entrants back then to do it, my concern is that I'm not seeing that right now, I guess we could just be too early in the cycle.
legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
news flash

Jay takes himself too seriously

 Roll Eyes
legendary
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XXXVII Fnord is toast without bread


They didn't add crypto traders.

FTFY




You think that 99% of folks are lying to you in this thread?  Get fucking real.

There may be a high percentage of lies, perhaps 30% if we are giving too much credit to the obvious trolls, but it is no where near 99%.

Snap out of your skeptical delusion, PoolMinor.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Man, you need to take a step back, and get a sense of humor. Geez Louise don't be so full of yourself all the time, sucka! I am pretty certain you are the only one in this thread that took this clear joke personally.
hero member
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All out of fiat ammo from that move.  Time to recharge but not looking forward to the hassle of a bank transfer.  Also just went slightly below my average.  Am I the only 1 potentially excited about lowering my cost average?  4.8K nice, 3k wow, 2K chub.  1k or less = beg and borrow
BTC is more relevant today than ever.  Just imagine how many are on the sidelines waiting for a bottom today.
  
No you're not the only one. I'm quite happy with my trading stash.
legendary
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All out of fiat ammo from that move.  Time to recharge but not looking forward to the hassle of a bank transfer.  Also just went slightly below my average.  Am I the only 1 potentially excited about lowering my cost average?  4.8K nice, 3k wow, 2K chub.  1k or less = beg and borrow
BTC is more relevant today than ever.  Just imagine how many are on the sidelines waiting for a bottom today.
  
 
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
(Dear Lord... I feel like I turned into JJG)

Good job.

Imitation (even if subconsciously) is one of the greatest forms of flattery...

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

(Dear Lord... I feel like I turned into JJG)
Get the fuck out of here with this apparent pretense of being using some kind of self-defined wordy prose just to be able to claim any kind of pretense at being in the vicinity JJG-ness within 63.5-72.2%. Even using numbers and probability. Tsk.

At minimum, he must have been in the JJG wall of text ballpark of inspiring peeps not to read it.
legendary
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Just got back from a day at the hospital. Damn...
I'll hodl as long as it takes, but damn


bitcoin is now a part of history books Wink weeeee

Time to write some best-sellers about bitcoin(history), in order to maintain income... .  Grin

 I believe a hat is required in order to be a successful writer.



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legendary
Activity: 3948
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
This is bad.

Very bad.

EDIT: Remember how I said I need(want) to dump $1M USD more before December 31st 2018 ?

Yeah. LOL at that idea now.

Sheeeeeeeeit.

You are the reason why we cannot have nice things.     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Tongue

??

What is to question?

He recently sold decently large amounts of BTC on the way down a few times, and attention-whore whined about it too...including seeming inclined to do the same, again.  
legendary
Activity: 3948
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
well its still looking like a disaster out there. No solid bounce.

I'm wondering what were the reasons for the bottoming period in 2014/15. I always thought it might of been that the mining costs at the time made a floor at that price, but I never looked into it. Does anyone know if the mining price was around the 200 level in 2014/15?

Bitstamp getting hacked caused the $150 bottom in 2015. At that time it was the biggest exchange.

I don't mean the specific bottom, I mean the time when it was moving between 200-300, what kept it falling further? was it just no more sellers, the miners stopped selling, or more buyers coming into the market?

It was between $200 and $300 for more than 8 months, and the bearwhales could not get the price to go down further... After NOT being able to get the price to go down more, for so long, there was only on direction left, correct?
legendary
Activity: 3948
Merit: 11416
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"


They didn't add crypto traders.

FTFY




You think that 99% of folks are lying to you in this thread?  Get fucking real.

There may be a high percentage of lies, perhaps 30% if we are giving too much credit to the obvious trolls, but it is no where near 99%.

Snap out of your skeptical delusion, PoolMinor.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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