Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 13199.

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Quote from: HairyMaclairy on September 03, 2018, 11:45:58 PM

Quote from: bones261 on September 03, 2018, 11:00:05 PM

Only ~280k BCH have been mined since the end of March. Plus, they have stopped only accepting BCH for their equipment. Also, they now have competitors that are putting out better equipment then they are putting out. I doubt that they have accumulated 1.2 million BCH. They are strapped for cash and it does not appear their IPO is going to go over very well. I really doubt that they are in any position to attempt to buy more BCH. However, BCH has a few more billionaires who probably do have the resources to bolster the price of BCH. I'm afraid antminer's days are numbered unless they can get something going their way ASAP.

Ok your math checks out. So the increase in BCH from Dec 31 to March 31 is ~162,00 for mining. 214,000 - 162,000 leaves 52,000 acquired by other means. Hardware sales of 52,000 x $1500 average price = $78 million in sales in first quarter? I don’t know if that is realistic or not.

this is a good article on the topic. they made a good deal of BCH from sales of ASICs. https://medium.com/@btcWolves/a-bch-update-bitmain-bch-the-ipo-what-it-all-actually-means-354220b86ac3

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Quote from: bones261 on September 03, 2018, 11:00:05 PM

Only ~280k BCH have been mined since the end of March. Plus, they have stopped only accepting BCH for their equipment. Also, they now have competitors that are putting out better equipment then they are putting out. I doubt that they have accumulated 1.2 million BCH. They are strapped for cash and it does not appear their IPO is going to go over very well. I really doubt that they are in any position to attempt to buy more BCH. However, BCH has a few more billionaires who probably do have the resources to bolster the price of BCH. I'm afraid antminer's days are numbered unless they can get something going their way ASAP.

Ok your math checks out. So the increase in BCH from Dec 31 to March 31 is ~162,00 for mining. 214,000 - 162,000 leaves 52,000 acquired by other means. Hardware sales of 52,000 x $1500 average price = $78 million in sales in first quarter? I don’t know if that is realistic or not.

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Quote from: Last of the V8s on August 30, 2018, 11:26:15 AM

https://blog.bitmex.com/unboxing-bitmain/
We conclude that the IPO itself may go well, however going forwards the allocation of investor capital will be key and management may need to improve in this area.

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Quote from: HairyMaclairy on September 03, 2018, 10:33:44 PM

If you are a miner and never sell the coins mined, of course that restricts supply and pushes the price up. This is the slide from their IPO deck showing they are well on their way to a million BCH in March.

At that rate they should have 1.2 million BCH now. Meanwhile the Bitfinex BCH order book is only 5,000 coins deep. This is a BCH overhang that is completely illiquid and cannot be sold. Very different from Bitcoin which is a highly liquid asset. The IPO is basically their attempt at a giant OTC sale.

Only ~280k BCH have been mined since the end of March. Plus, they have stopped only accepting BCH for their equipment. Also, they now have competitors that are putting out better equipment then they are putting out. I doubt that they have accumulated 1.2 million BCH. They are strapped for cash and it does not appear their IPO is going to go over very well. I really doubt that they are in any position to attempt to buy more BCH. However, BCH has a few more billionaires who probably do have the resources to bolster the price of BCH. I'm afraid antminer's days are numbered unless they can get something going their way ASAP.

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If you are a miner and never sell the coins mined, of course that restricts supply and pushes the price up. This is the slide from their IPO deck showing they are well on their way to a million BCH in March.

At that rate they should have 1.2 million BCH now. Meanwhile the Bitfinex BCH order book is only 5,000 coins deep. This is a BCH overhang that is completely illiquid and cannot be sold. Very different from Bitcoin which is a highly liquid asset. The IPO is basically their attempt at a giant BCH OTC sale, with some dumb retail investors to be left with a bag that cannot be sold.

The interesting analysis is how much of the 2017 Bitcoin spike was miners holding back supply? I would love to see Bitmains books historically and compare to a price chart. More mining competition should cause the cartel to break down and stabilize the Bitcoin price.

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Quote from: HairyMaclairy on September 03, 2018, 10:12:42 PM

Quote from: bones261 on September 03, 2018, 09:52:41 PM

Quote from: windjc on September 03, 2018, 09:42:22 PM

I never understood this idea that Bitmain was BUYING BCH. I believe they have only been accepting BCH as PAYMENT for their machines for a while now. So, if you are selling a crap ton of machines and receiving BCH for it, then the amount of BCH you OWN is going to go up significantly. YES??

Well, for quite a few months now, they are back to accepting other forms of payments. However, a good chunk of the BCH stash that they had back in March can probably be attributed to mining and proceeds from sales. Also, they likely sold most of their BTC to keep their operations going, which have included several failed attempts to get a new SHA256 chip developed. I doubt they did much buying of BCH off of the markets, like some people accuse them of. The reason that I doubt it is because they can accumulate for much cheaper by selling their equipment for BCH and mining.

Bitmain has never sold a single BCH they have mined. This has artificially supported the price of BCH which has close to zero organic demand. They have sold their BTC to pay the electricity bills.

Since when is mining and HODL "artificial" support? They can do whatever the hell they want with the coins that they mine. And now they have plenty of BCH to burn for their Wormhole project. Cheesy

Don't worry. If things keep going like they are going, Bitmain should be REKT pretty soon.

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Quote from: HairyMaclairy on September 03, 2018, 10:12:42 PM

Quote from: bones261 on September 03, 2018, 09:52:41 PM

Quote from: windjc on September 03, 2018, 09:42:22 PM

I never understood this idea that Bitmain was BUYING BCH. I believe they have only been accepting BCH as PAYMENT for their machines for a while now. So, if you are selling a crap ton of machines and receiving BCH for it, then the amount of BCH you OWN is going to go up significantly. YES??

Well, for quite a few months now, they are back to accepting other forms of payments. However, a good chunk of the BCH stash that they had back in March can probably be attributed to mining and proceeds from sales. Also, they likely sold most of their BTC to keep their operations going, which have included several failed attempts to get a new SHA256 chip developed. I doubt they did much buying of BCH off of the markets, like some people accuse them of. The reason that I doubt it is because they can accumulate for much cheaper by selling their equipment for BCH and mining.

Bitmain has never sold a single BCH they have mined. This has artificially supported the price of BCH which has close to zero organic demand. They have sold their BTC to pay the electricity bills.

Well if that is true, although its hard to prove, it may have something to do with the fact that its pretty easy to sell tons of BTC over-the-counter. But I bet the demand for BCH OTC is pretty low.

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Quote from: bones261 on September 03, 2018, 09:52:41 PM

Quote from: windjc on September 03, 2018, 09:42:22 PM

I never understood this idea that Bitmain was BUYING BCH. I believe they have only been accepting BCH as PAYMENT for their machines for a while now. So, if you are selling a crap ton of machines and receiving BCH for it, then the amount of BCH you OWN is going to go up significantly. YES??

Well, for quite a few months now, they are back to accepting other forms of payments. However, a good chunk of the BCH stash that they had back in March can probably be attributed to mining and proceeds from sales. Also, they likely sold most of their BTC to keep their operations going, which have included several failed attempts to get a new SHA256 chip developed. I doubt they did much buying of BCH off of the markets, like some people accuse them of. The reason that I doubt it is because they can accumulate for much cheaper by selling their equipment for BCH and mining.

Bitmain has never sold a single BCH they have mined. This has artificially supported the price of BCH which has close to zero organic demand. They have sold their BTC to pay the electricity bills.

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Quote from: lightfoot on September 03, 2018, 09:51:52 PM

Tell me about it: I had to drill a small hole in my head and do a micro-lobotomy so I wouldn't remember where I left my bitcoins :-)

:-)

Does anyone know if anyone has ever time locked a substantial chunk of bitcoin for a decade or more? People in 2010 would be glad they had, perhaps each any every one of us would be glad if we did right now for the same reasons.

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Quote from: windjc on September 03, 2018, 09:42:22 PM

I never understood this idea that Bitmain was BUYING BCH. I believe they have only been accepting BCH as PAYMENT for their machines for a while now. So, if you are selling a crap ton of machines and receiving BCH for it, then the amount of BCH you OWN is going to go up significantly. YES??

Well, for quite a few months now, they are back to accepting other forms of payments. However, a good chunk of the BCH stash that they had back in March can probably be attributed to mining and proceeds from sales. Also, they likely sold most of their BTC to keep their operations going, which have included several failed attempts to get a new SHA256 chip developed. I doubt they did much buying of BCH off of the markets, like some people accuse them of. The reason that I doubt it is because they can accumulate for much cheaper by selling their equipment for BCH and mining.

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I fix broken miners. And make holes in teeth :-)

Tell me about it: I had to drill a small hole in my head and do a micro-lobotomy so I wouldn't remember where I left my bitcoins :-)

:-)

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on September 03, 2018, 09:28:42 PM

It is hard to HODL. That is why hodlers EARN their money. Its one of the most difficult of all disciplines.

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Quote from: DaRude on September 03, 2018, 08:55:39 PM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 03, 2018, 12:37:53 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

https://twitter.com/btcking555/status/1036664695938150402

Really hope that’s true. It would definitely be bullish for the price of bitcoin.

Kinda checks out with my maths

Quote from: DaRude on August 14, 2018, 01:26:11 AM

Quote from: babanana on August 13, 2018, 11:20:35 PM

This is all Bitmain. The biggest whale. Can turn market wherever direction it wants to.

Feel the wrath of Bitmain!

Whale?

According to their pre-IPO deck (has it been confirmed? proudhon??) they went from BTC36.877 in Dec to 22.082 in March. That's 3months or 90 days. That means they're burning through BTC164 per day ((36877-22082)/90) at this rate they'd have enough for 134 days (22.082/164) that would last them till August 12th Kiss

thnx for playing

I never understood this idea that Bitmain was BUYING BCH. I believe they have only been accepting BCH as PAYMENT for their machines for a while now. So, if you are selling a crap ton of machines and receiving BCH for it, then the amount of BCH you OWN is going to go up significantly. YES??

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on September 03, 2018, 12:37:53 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

https://twitter.com/btcking555/status/1036664695938150402

Really hope that’s true. It would definitely be bullish for the price of bitcoin.

Kinda checks out with my maths

Quote from: DaRude on August 14, 2018, 01:26:11 AM

Quote from: babanana on August 13, 2018, 11:20:35 PM

This is all Bitmain. The biggest whale. Can turn market wherever direction it wants to.

Feel the wrath of Bitmain!

Whale?

According to their pre-IPO deck (has it been confirmed? proudhon??) they went from BTC36.877 in Dec to 22.082 in March. That's 3months or 90 days. That means they're burning through BTC164 per day ((36877-22082)/90) at this rate they'd have enough for 134 days (22.082/164) that would last them till August 12th Kiss

thnx for playing

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Quote from: Resumean on September 03, 2018, 05:23:26 PM

BTC vs ETH

So he took off his shirt but then still managed to get it in the water with him brilliant!

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Quote from: Osamede on September 03, 2018, 03:03:19 PM

There are currently a lot of shorts being placed on bitfinex at the moment, 50 percent increase after tether printed some 100m $ to bitfinex, I see these shorts being liquidated in the coming days and it's going to push the price of bitcoin to the 8500 to 9000 range before mid-month

Why are all of these new accounts start spreading FUD about highest shorts all of a sudden? Undecided

Longs $467,971,392.10 ~53%
Shorts BTC56,544.60 $412,775,580 ~47%

https://www.bitfinex.com/stats

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