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legendary
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These are scary times. Will make your palms sweaty when playing these little swings during bear markets.

It's not a question on if bitcoin will fail, but the questions are when will it fail, how big will it get before it will fail and how much will it effect other more practical cryptos. Bitcoin is the ultimate modern materialization of pure greed. A lot of people with unrealistic dreams of easy riches and very little practical substance. Currently PoW mining is costing the bitcoin network about 2,5 billion$ annually (https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption). That is the pure electric cost, calculated with the assumption that most mining is done with cheap electricity. And you also have to count in the mining equipment that's development and production is mostly paid by the money from the crypto market, then also things like rent end salaries. The closer realistic cost of running the bitcoin network for a year is closer to 5 billion$. With an optimistic count, it is said that bitcoin has around 3-5million active users. That means that it costs around 1000$ per year for user just to keep bitcoin mining alive. All of these expenses for a payment network without actual advantages...

The millennials, who are the driving force of bitcoin, aren't able to comprehend that someone does have to pick up the bill. The only way that they don't have to pay for the mining mega expenses is for new greater fools to do it instead. But the bleak truth about greater fools is that they always eventually run out. Then bitcoiners have to pay for the mining costs of the network, with the dollar value of their bitcoins. Then you will see how all those "fiat-hating-revolutionary-snowflakes" will screech in distress, over how much less dollars will they get for their bitcoins.

Bolded text is what I am indeed seeing in this whole crypto crazy world. People who had no idea about what a bitcoin is, suddenly become expert traders who can distinguish between a good and a bad crypto coin. I've seen people losing their savings to gamble on tokens, coins and ICOs.

I'm on the train but a part of me is feeling a bit(coin) train sick. And by the way, thanks for the energy consumption insights

legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
For me that does not make a whole hell of a lot of sense - even though it is possible to work to the extent that the price of BTC and alts are inversely correlated.  but sometimes they all drop together, which is why the dollar/BTC pairing can be helpful.  

Perhaps jbreher plays some of those various pairs, but I think that whatever I am saying is kind of ruled out when you start adding various other cryptos as your pairs, mostly because of the extra questions of the lack of a straight line performance of the other crypto that is going to bring extra volatility and even too many additional uncertainties that vary from cycle to cycle.

I know that each of us have our own systems, so it probably does not matter any fuck what I say, because your mind seems to be already made up to trade certain other crypto pairs because for some reason you see some kind of disutility in holding dollars.  

Personally, I understand that the long term certainty of the dollar is that it depreciates in value; however, in the short term, the dollar is way the fuck more stable than any alt coin, including LTC or ETH, and part of the reason for dollar pairing with BTC is to get in and out of crypto volatility and to play it off of the dollar

To me, you seem to be adding a certain unnecessary level of additional risk and additional unknowns in terms of what the fuck those two crypto projects are doing.  

But ultimately.. whatever floats your boat... but it seems more removed from my system when you add more variables of uncertainty that can kind of negate the more focused BTC/USD approach.
The bulk of my (automated) trading model is based upon this - I've been doing okay so far, but it is a bit risky since any alt can massively drop - with no guarantee of return, I'm now trading with 100% profit and already cashed out way more than I put in, and cash out profits on a fixed basis - so happy with the risk. I tried working against fiat with a similar model and always end up out of the market


I suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and if you can get better results by pairing with alts rather than pairing with the dollar, then no reason to fix what is not broken.

In essence, I am NOT against employing something that works for you, but I certainly am not interested in pairing alts because I barely even invest in alts, so I don't want to be stuck holding any alts, even though historically they may have done fine.. I just have little to no ambition to involve myself in some crypto asset that I do not have long term confidence - and my only one, at this time, is bitcoin.
legendary
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lose: unfind ... loose: untight
Hate to be Debby Downer here at all but the question has to be asked, does that empty mempool then also mean less pressure from traffic/volume of Bitcoin use.

Ummm.... Duh.

It means that demand for bitcoin transactions on the Segwit fork is less than a third-million per day. Why anyone would rejoice in that is beyond my ken.
legendary
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For me that does not make a whole hell of a lot of sense - even though it is possible to work to the extent that the price of BTC and alts are inversely correlated.  but sometimes they all drop together, which is why the dollar/BTC pairing can be helpful. 

Perhaps jbreher plays some of those various pairs, but I think that whatever I am saying is kind of ruled out when you start adding various other cryptos as your pairs, mostly because of the extra questions of the lack of a straight line performance of the other crypto that is going to bring extra volatility and even too many additional uncertainties that vary from cycle to cycle.

I know that each of us have our own systems, so it probably does not matter any fuck what I say, because your mind seems to be already made up to trade certain other crypto pairs because for some reason you see some kind of disutility in holding dollars. 

Personally, I understand that the long term certainty of the dollar is that it depreciates in value; however, in the short term, the dollar is way the fuck more stable than any alt coin, including LTC or ETH, and part of the reason for dollar pairing with BTC is to get in and out of crypto volatility and to play it off of the dollar

To me, you seem to be adding a certain unnecessary level of additional risk and additional unknowns in terms of what the fuck those two crypto projects are doing. 

But ultimately.. whatever floats your boat... but it seems more removed from my system when you add more variables of uncertainty that can kind of negate the more focused BTC/USD approach.
The bulk of my (automated) trading model is based upon this - I've been doing okay so far, but it is a bit risky since any alt can massively drop - with no guarantee of return, I'm now trading with 100% profit and already cashed out way more than I put in, and cash out profits on a fixed basis - so happy with the risk. I tried working against fiat with a similar model and always end up out of the market
hero member
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Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall.
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men.
Couldn't put Humpty together again.



big deal
sr. member
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Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall.
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men.
Couldn't put Humpty together again.

legendary
Activity: 3920
Merit: 11299
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
well heyyyyyy

I'm back in the LTC business...so I got that going for me

Are you buying Litecoin Cash?

goodness no

A while back I set up a good bit of my trading stash into the JJG/Jbreher (tm) incremental trading system in the BTC:ETH and BTC:LTC pairs.  The logic being that I can slowly grow my stash by harvesting volatility while not being exposed to fiat risk.  I am always fully in crypto.

Not too long after I set it up LTC went on its recent rampage and ran off the end of my spread of asks (I ran out of LTC).

Today it finally ran back into my bids and I am back in business.

For me that does not make a whole hell of a lot of sense - even though it is possible to work to the extent that the price of BTC and alts are inversely correlated.  but sometimes they all drop together, which is why the dollar/BTC pairing can be helpful. 

Perhaps jbreher plays some of those various pairs, but I think that whatever I am saying is kind of ruled out when you start adding various other cryptos as your pairs, mostly because of the extra questions of the lack of a straight line performance of the other crypto that is going to bring extra volatility and even too many additional uncertainties that vary from cycle to cycle.

I know that each of us have our own systems, so it probably does not matter any fuck what I say, because your mind seems to be already made up to trade certain other crypto pairs because for some reason you see some kind of disutility in holding dollars. 

Personally, I understand that the long term certainty of the dollar is that it depreciates in value; however, in the short term, the dollar is way the fuck more stable than any alt coin, including LTC or ETH, and part of the reason for dollar pairing with BTC is to get in and out of crypto volatility and to play it off of the dollar

To me, you seem to be adding a certain unnecessary level of additional risk and additional unknowns in terms of what the fuck those two crypto projects are doing. 

But ultimately.. whatever floats your boat... but it seems more removed from my system when you add more variables of uncertainty that can kind of negate the more focused BTC/USD approach.
legendary
Activity: 3920
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
oh, in my crushed bear soul portfolio, I have about 99% retards, 0% traders, and 1% idiots
with very similar numbers in my crushed bull soul portfolio, 98% retards, 0% traders, and 2% idiots

even if I had just 0.1 btc for every word jj0m0 typed, I think I could afford to bribe him to contain the dribble


I'm NOT bribable because I am already sufficiently RICHIE!!!!!!
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
So, pee pare ur selfie for either direction, including DOOM..... but not necessarily gonna happen.

Give us something to work with BMB.... What be happening with uie?

My BTC to cash ratio is about the same as yours, give or take. But I'm obviously not as serene about it as you are.


Maybe some zen meditation is in order?

I mean really dude (or dudette).  We already had our selfies a 70% price correction, and where is the bad news, exactly?

It could be the case that the implosion of various alts are kind of dragging down BTC, but we actually have clear paths ahead for segwit and lightning, and look at those transaction fees and times, low as fuck (just showing that the long-ass spamming attack had been clogging up blockchain matters for quite a long time)...

Anyhow, BTC fundamentals seem to be doing quite good, so I don't see why any HODLer should be freaking the fuck out regarding the "normal" ups and down of bitcoin.

Recall that an aspect of bitcoin that it the most easily counted upon would be its volatility.  In other words, we do not have any guarantees of either UP or DOWN, but we have as close as we could get guarantee to volatility. 

So hang onto your panties (and all the pants you commandeered), and we should be able to make it through these trying (but seemingly expected) BTC volatility times.   Kiss
jr. member
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Always believe in magic
Could use more tards in the bear soul column. But who am I to argue.
noted lol
gonna watch that movie tonight wolf of wall street....some of the scenes in it were so crazy, that restaurant scene was one of them
legendary
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Could use more tards in the bear soul column. But who am I to argue.
jr. member
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Always believe in magic
oh, in my crushed bear soul portfolio, I have about 99% retards, 0% traders, and 1% idiots
with very similar numbers in my crushed bull soul portfolio, 98% retards, 0% traders, and 2% idiots

even if I had just 0.1 btc for every word jj0m0 typed, I think I could afford to bribe him to contain the dribble

Those are respectable numbers.

They arent


 Huh Huh Huh
legendary
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oh, in my crushed bear soul portfolio, I have about 99% retards, 0% traders, and 1% idiots
with very similar numbers in my crushed bull soul portfolio, 98% retards, 0% traders, and 2% idiots

even if I had just 0.1 btc for every word jj0m0 typed, I think I could afford to bribe him to contain the dribble

Those are respectable numbers.
full member
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only hodl what you understand and love!
BTC price needs to go on a deep dive to shake off all these scum ... who's with me?!



Muuuuaaaahhhhhaaaaahhhhhaaaaaa  Grin
This m"=(%/&($%=$?§ earned a lot of money with the death of a few thousand people --> ASSHOLE
legendary
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diamond-handed zealot
well heyyyyyy

I'm back in the LTC business...so I got that going for me

Are you buying Litecoin Cash?

goodness no

A while back I set up a good bit of my trading stash into the JJG/Jbreher (tm) incremental trading system in the BTC:ETH and BTC:LTC pairs.  The logic being that I can slowly grow my stash by harvesting volatility while not being exposed to fiat risk.  I am always fully in crypto.

Not too long after I set it up LTC went on its recent rampage and ran off the end of my spread of asks (I ran out of LTC).

Today it finally ran back into my bids and I am back in business.
jr. member
Activity: 165
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Always believe in magic
oh, in my crushed bear soul portfolio, I have about 99% retards, 0% traders, and 1% idiots
with very similar numbers in my crushed bull soul portfolio, 98% retards, 0% traders, and 2% idiots

even if I had just 0.1 btc for every word jj0m0 typed, I think I could afford to bribe him to contain the dribble
legendary
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So, pee pare ur selfie for either direction, including DOOM..... but not necessarily gonna happen.

Give us something to work with BMB.... What be happening with uie?

My BTC to cash ratio is about the same as yours, give or take. But I'm obviously not as serene about it as you are.
legendary
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well heyyyyyy

I'm back in the LTC business...so I got that going for me

Are you buying Litecoin Cash?

LCash is the tr00 vision of Lite-oshi Lite

FTFY
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
In other words, pee pare ur selfie for DOOM!!!!!!
I don't know how to change. All my machinery is set to hodl. Roll Eyes

Maybe you need to provide some more details regarding what brought you to your current HODL status?

When was the last time that you bought and when was the last time that you sold?

Are you 100% "in"  do you have money to buy if it dips?

In my BTC portfolio, I am currently about 93% in BTC and about 7% in fiat, and I feel comfortable with those portions to buy all the way down to $1k and perhaps lower...

Surely, I don't want BTC prices to go down, but price direction is out of my control, and even out of my ability to predict with any certainty.. maybe at times I give up to 60% odds of one direction or another, but even now, I am kind of 50/50 torn about what the fuck is going on here.

So, pee pare ur selfie for either direction, including DOOM..... but not necessarily gonna happen.

Give us something to work with BMB.... What be happening with uie?
legendary
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well heyyyyyy

I'm back in the LTC business...so I got that going for me

Are you buying Litecoin Cash?

LCash is the tr00 vision of lite-oshi.
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