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What is the use of a decentralized bitcoin if nobody uses it because it is too expensive?
wat the derp

I mean the fees per transaction. I expressed wrong.

Fees are high because there's a spam attack. There's no trick to it. It's just a simple trick.

I know. And that was the reason for my first question. What are you doing bitcoin for being more resistant to such attacks and keeping the rates low in the long term?
As I understand it, an increase in block size is a solution; but if there are more alternatives it would be good to be able to listen to them.
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lose: unfind ... loose: untight
"Bitcoin is a worldwide cryptocurrency and digital payment system called the first decentralized digital currency, as the system works without a central repository or single administrator."

Perhaps if you could make a cogent case showing how Bitcoin Segwit is in any way more decentralized than Bitcoin Cash, you might have a point. But so far, all I've seen from you or others is mere hand waving.

Actually he has very good point. What you call Bitcoin Segwit can do ALL the things so called Bitcoin Cash can do and a lot more. This is why BCH is dead. It was born dead.

Well, no. Maybe at some point in the future. But for now, Bitcoin Segwit is useless for any but higher value transactions. You can tell yourself that you like it this way, but Bitcoin Cash supports everything that Bitcoin Segwit does, plus these cheaper items.
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Be a bank
It isn't much cheaper to spam bigger blocks. Why is this attack so one-sided?

I asked myself this too... spamming bch mempool would be only 8 times more costly, even more cheap because 1 bch is 1/5 of a btc in usd terms.

Why are we not attacking bch? Seems that we are have not evil manipulators on our side
It's a little thing called morals.

I'm not fucking kidding. Puling others down is their thing. We build ourselves up. Basic difference in psychological profiles.

one of us did ddos bithumb earlier on. but in general you're right, we're saintly.
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It isn't much cheaper to spam bigger blocks. Why is this attack so one-sided?

I asked myself this too... spamming bch mempool would be only 8 times more costly, even more cheap because 1 bch is 1/5 of a btc in usd terms.

Why are we not attacking bch? Seems that we are have not evil manipulators on our side
It's a little thing called morals.

I'm not fucking kidding. Puling others down is their thing. We build ourselves up. Basic difference in psychological profiles.

No I think Gentlemand is right. There's no incentive. No one uses the damn thing.
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It isn't much cheaper to spam bigger blocks. Why is this attack so one-sided?

I asked myself this too... spamming bch mempool would be only 8 times more costly, even more cheap because 1 bch is 1/5 of a btc in usd terms.

Why are we not attacking bch? Seems that we are have not evil manipulators on our side
It's a little thing called morals.

I'm not fucking kidding. Puling others down is their thing. We build ourselves up. Basic difference in psychological profiles.
legendary
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Be a bank
https://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/QmSJm9XGHXyxRaMFfLN2scunbMyopCU7xPxz3WQHLfLKQy/#/
 
Bitcoin Security Threat Model
A security review of the Bitcoin cryptocurrency
JWWeatherman
October 2017


legendary
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What is the use of a decentralized bitcoin if nobody uses it because it is too expensive?
wat the derp

I mean the fees per transaction. I expressed wrong.

Fees are high because there's a spam attack. There's no trick to it. It's just a simple trick.
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What is the use of a decentralized bitcoin if nobody uses it because it is too expensive?
wat the derp

I mean the fees per transaction. I expressed wrong.
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This is why I don't see any problem with the fees. If you can't afford those fees just use fiat banking. Bitcoin is for people that do value their money, financial freedom and privacy.

In other words: 3rd world, go f*** yourself.

But honestly i think it's good that we finally are able to clearly see what the underlying differences are what Bitcoin should be and what not. My impression is that lots and lots of folks still don't understand that there is a big gap in the Bitcoin community when it comes to that.
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BitCoin is strong as fuck! I've just seen 1000 BTC sell wall (roughly 6.xx million) eaten away as a pie  Cheesy
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This is not a nice place to be now. Bcash is toxic and has caused major problems.

This thread has become divided and I for one am not enjoying coming here anymore.

I hope you bcash twats are happy. I'm off.
They are. That's the idea. Stick around. They don't want clonecoins to succeed so much as they want bitcoin to fail. This is an actual war and it can not be won by running off.
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You have the balls to say that paying high fees is financial freedom. FREEDOM  
Otherwise I can go back to banksters, why? Different faces, same slavery problem
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New ATH in two weeks ?
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This is why I don't see any problem with the fees. If you can't afford those fees just use fiat banking. Bitcoin is for people that do value their money, financial freedom and privacy.


Your vision of what should be bitcoin, is far from being the one that initially captivated so many people, developers, investors, etc...
In a third world country, it is really important to have a payment system that is not banked. At the beginning bitcoin was very useful and very popular for those reasons. I do not plan to pay my coffee with bitcoin (and I hope I can do it with LN at some point), but every day bitcoin loses more and more utility in my country. And I'm frustrated to see that every day bitcoin becomes a tool for large investors, banks or investment funds, and ordinary people, on the street, are excluded.
And it seems to me, according to my humble opinion and what I have researched, that an increase to 2MB of block size is far from representing a danger or a problem to decentralization (especially when working on the optimization of block size) .
This increase would be a gesture of goodwill towards the community and would avoid all these discussions and hatred.

Fees are high - apart from the spam attack -, because demand for blockspace is higher than the supply (and always will be). 2MB/4MB/1024MB wouldn't change it, there are near infinite demand for using the blockchain's utilities; time will always be an unchangeable limit for competing transactions, no matter the blocksize.

Stop bitching about it, that is what called free market, those who value the utility/time/cost of their transactions will outcompete those who do not, same as with every goods/services with free market valuation.

Also, how are high fees a sign of failure?
Classic socialist person thinking:
"this restaurant is full, it is clearly failing because I can not eat here, RIGHT NOW, for the price i esteem "FAIR" for a table, bruh bruh "
Sorry, you just got outpriced by the market.


It really is a bad analogy and does not seem to understand free market capitalism. On the other hand, his vision condemns the countries of the third world to stay out of this system, which seems to me an erroneous idea if we want bitcoin to be successful.

The free market means, among other things, free competition. Bitcoin competes for the network effect, and so far only outperforms other currencies by the inertia of being the first. If there is another currency that is able to satisfy the demand, adapting its offer and offering a fair price, consumers will prefer to opt for it.
And that's exactly what is happening now (and I'm not talking about BCH).
My concern is far from being considered as socialist, I worry about the competitiveness of bitcoin, and its usefulness.

What is the use of a decentralized bitcoin if nobody uses it because it is too expensive (transaction fees)? We must maintain the balance between decentralization and utility with the tools we have in our hands.
I really hope that LN is a success, but we still do not have it and we do not know when it will not be operational.
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Why so worried peeps? Grin


This^

Hasn't the weekend dump been happening (for the most part) on a weekly basis for months, if not years? Who cares if it's goes into BCH, or ETH, or LTC, or (insert other coin here).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sPvylTPCv8

(edit - grammar/typos)
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Fork.lol

76 BitCH blocks remaining until difficulty readjustement.
BTC chain will be 3x times more profitable in about an hour and a half.
BCH price about to test 0.2 BTC/BCH support right now.

Popcorn.jpg

Why so worried peeps? Grin



Yes, it appears that Ver, Wu and friends doubled down on an 11 a hard 16 and ended up getting an ace a face. (Dealer isn't going to bust either...)

Edit: Fixed that for myself.  Grin
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Smaller fishes can be younger but also smart ;p
Fork.lol

76 BitCH blocks remaining until difficulty readjustement.
BTC chain will be 3x times more profitable in about an hour and a half.
BCH price about to RE-test 0.2 BTC/BCH support right now.

Popcorn.jpg

Why so worried peeps? Grin

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Be a bank
when is that rumored new Japanese mining hardware supposed to come out?

couple weeks after Hashfast ship Grin
no um it is v uncertain - this may have been big talk. 7nm is tricky for years to come

It isn't much cheaper to spam bigger blocks. Why is this attack so one-sided?

Time to do your duty, son.

You first.

You two would be better off making a K-pop video
that'll show 'em
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Jadda, jadda.

Imagine, a newbie is asking himself: Wtf ?
Place a suitable amount into bitcoin.
Bitcoin is way too volatile, but "bitcoin gold" gives him the stability.

Where would he place his money ?

Hmm ?



It´s about stability !   FTF : Fuck The Forks !

Ups, just realized, that bitcoingold was a fork itself.
But now it´s over, no ?  Smiley




legendary
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If you hold the same amount (in coins) of BTC and BCH basically nothing has changed for you.

A few days ago they held a combined USD of ~7800 and it's the same now (though it's currently down to ~7500 but was touching 8000 a few hours ago)

Totally irrelevant.
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