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legendary
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..... the gates are going to open soon....
legendary
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Finex update


BCH pairs are now available for margin trading
Announcements > BCH Distribution Update
August 02, 2017
BCH Distribution Update

Bitcoin Cash (BCH) distributions have been calculated for qualifying Bitfinex users, and corresponding balances have been credited. Balances were aggregated across wallets with the resulting BCH being credited to each user’s Exchange Wallet.

What follows is an explanation of the calculations and adjustments used for determining the distribution coefficient.

The Numbers

After the fork, Bitfinex held 101,798.8855 BCH to distribute coming from 131,237.8562 BTC in settled wallet balances and -29,438.9707 BTC in unsettled margin positions, resulting in a distribution coefficient of 0.7757.

However, after adjustments for manipulation attempts (outlined below), the final coefficient used for distributing BCH was 0.8539

The Situation

The intent of the BCH distribution mechanism was to protect lenders who were already locked into loans at the time of the announcement and to avoid distributing negative balances to shorts on an uncertain value of an unproven digital asset.

With this intent in mind, the BCH tokens were distributed with an adjusting factor to account for long/short imbalances in gross margin positions. Accordingly, as shorts would not have to ‘pay’ BCH, we believe it was fair and symmetrical to not credit margin longs, yielding an adjusting factor that historically seldom varies more than 10% when compared with gross balances.

After the methodology announcement on July 27th, several accounts began large-scale manipulation tactics in an attempt to obtain BCH tokens at the expense of exchange longs and lenders on the platform, causing the distribution coefficient to artificially plummet.

We have determined that this kind of manipulation - including wash trading and self-funding shorts - is in violation of Bitfinex’s terms of service. Those who intended to take unfair advantage of the circumstances surrounding the BCH distribution at the expense of other users have been sanctioned accordingly.

The Resolution

Upon careful review and analysis, we have decided to disallow any hedged BTC balances in excess of any such hedged balances that may have existed at the time of the July 27th distribution announcement. While this may be disappointing to some, it is welcome news to the many users with bona fide BTC exposure through settled wallet balances. This adjustment increases the distribution coefficient from 0.7757 to 0.8539.

We do not take this action lightly. The inadequate timelines imposed upon Bitfinex forced swift action when addressing and remediating this situation. Our purpose has been to distribute all BCH to our users in the fairest way possible. Given the aforementioned restrictions, with our corrective actions, we believe that we have made good on that promise.

The Future

The next step is to monitor the forked network and open BCH withdrawals. We expect BCH withdrawals will be opened within the next 24 hours.

Regarding the possibility of adding BCH trading pairs, we continue to monitor the market. BCH deposits will only be enabled if and when BCH markets are created.

We will have another update within the next 48 hours to address these potential next steps.
sr. member
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Grin Just changed my BCC for BTC at 0.145 rate. Without cost or exchange risks... . Might be not the most profitable action, but I can see no reason why BCC would have any significant advantage over BTC.

where?

At the small, very underestimated freebitco... . This was only possible for balances held with them before July 31.
hero member
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In other news, WannaCry ransom coins on the move...
I was wondering if bitcoins from BTC-e wallets were used to get BCHs as well. They could  repay back bitcoins to all their clients and still keep some nice pocket change Smiley
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
It will be interesting to see which dormant BTC addresses move to sell their Bcash tokens.

Will give a better idea of which addresses are dead and which are just hodling.
hero member
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thank you so far!!! at the incoming addresses i had 2. and i exported those priv keys. do i need to export something else??

I'm not really that familiar with the standard Core wallet,
Try "listaddressgroupings' in console that might list all the addresses including change addresses.
Check how much/when they had coins in, using  blockchain explorers.
Then you can display the private key for any that arevrelevant.
hero member
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Decentralize everything
Finally dumped my shitcoins and got ~2BTC, pretty good for a couple of hours work (most of which was waiting for blocks to confirm)
sr. member
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 Grin Just changed my BCC for BTC at 0.145 rate. Without cost or exchange risks... . Might be not the most profitable action, but I can see no reason why BCC would have any significant advantage over BTC.
legendary
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Most likely wanting to grab a piece of the BCC pie, it is free money after all!  Grin
legendary
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BTC + Crossfit, living life.
When are we @ the moon  and beyond .....??

dude, the moon was $32

first time we broke $100 was Mars landing

Nov 2013 we broke $1000 and explored the outer planets

2017 we have accelerated deep into uncharted interstellar space and may be approaching the event horizon of a supermassive black hole

what lies within no one knows

Wink tell me whats in this black hole
legendary
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legendary
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13eJ4feC39JzbdY2K9W3ytQzWhunsxL83X
Have a look here it a photo from the wallet:

EDIT: i send August 1 and August 2 1 btc on each transaction. By that time the fork has happened


I think your issue is the addresses you think you are using are not the ones you are actually using..

here is your transaction  on 2017-04-29 08:03:55
https://blockchain.info/tx/e313a5cbdd7bbfb18d87696aa06ad56d57f46196dc6a5c32bf7a246b5a1b969d

It send the change to 1KQJPShQd27Y4fxKHd4CUwJ96cLt2epiiZ

If you look at the change address on Blockdozer (BCH explorer)
http://blockdozer.com/insight/address/1KQJPShQd27Y4fxKHd4CUwJ96cLt2epiiZ
That links to your transaction sending 1.00122667 BCC, on 2/8/17  but it comes from these two

1KQJPShQd27Y4fxKHd4CUwJ96cLt2epiiZ
1N2tAEbyZVQVqrRUC3xr2D2FPkJTqbaCRr

Not the ones you think it was coming from.

thank you so far!!! at the incoming addresses i had 2. and i exported those priv keys. do i need to export something else??
legendary
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No i didn't !!! i just followed your instructions and again Balance: 0 .......
how it's possible?

Can you check the history tab of the electron cash wallet and maybe PM me a screenshot? Let me take a look at it. Also, if there are any sent transactions, right click it and click "details" and share the screenshot in PM. Thanks.

There appears to be something very wrong with the Electron Cash wallet (the real one/not the .net scam one)
Yesterday I did some transactions with it and all was fine, this morning all the transactions had disappeared.
I checked with a block chain explorer and nothing dodgy has happened, all the transactions are there, and no new ones.
But, I'm gonna stay clear of it, and am currently loading up a full node.

You were warned many times on this thread to not use Electron Cash scam!


I dont know why this quote was attributed to me! I did not complain about the Electron Cash wallet! I am still using it and holding my BCC until i can dump them on some exchange as soon as deposits open!  Grin
legendary
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No i didn't !!! i just followed your instructions and again Balance: 0 .......
how it's possible?

Can you check the history tab of the electron cash wallet and maybe PM me a screenshot? Let me take a look at it. Also, if there are any sent transactions, right click it and click "details" and share the screenshot in PM. Thanks.

There appears to be something very wrong with the Electron Cash wallet (the real one/not the .net scam one)
Yesterday I did some transactions with it and all was fine, this morning all the transactions had disappeared.
I checked with a block chain explorer and nothing dodgy has happened, all the transactions are there, and no new ones.
But, I'm gonna stay clear of it, and am currently loading up a full node.

You were warned many times on this thread to not use Electron Cash scam!
hero member
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Have a look here it a photo from the wallet:

EDIT: i send August 1 and August 2 1 btc on each transaction. By that time the fork has happened


I think your issue is the addresses you think you are using are not the ones you are actually using..

here is your transaction  on 2017-04-29 08:03:55
https://blockchain.info/tx/e313a5cbdd7bbfb18d87696aa06ad56d57f46196dc6a5c32bf7a246b5a1b969d

It send the change to 1KQJPShQd27Y4fxKHd4CUwJ96cLt2epiiZ

If you look at the change address on Blockdozer (BCH explorer)
http://blockdozer.com/insight/address/1KQJPShQd27Y4fxKHd4CUwJ96cLt2epiiZ
That links to your transaction sending 1.00122667 BCC, on 2/8/17  but it comes from these two

1KQJPShQd27Y4fxKHd4CUwJ96cLt2epiiZ
1N2tAEbyZVQVqrRUC3xr2D2FPkJTqbaCRr

Not the ones you think it was coming from.
legendary
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....... soooooo

Bitfinex has now enabled margin trading for BCH

But not opened up deposit wallets yet

Cannot help but still think this is pump and dump and dump and dump.

These closed loop exchanges are messing with the price discovery- eliminating arbitrage opportunity
and simultaneously benefiting those with coins on the exchanges - those that wished to do so have been able to sell their BCH or part of. In fact the wave up and correction on Finex gave many a chance to almost double their BCH
in a day- and this ain't over yet.

It's gotta get messy when they open deposit wallets on the exchanges.

Crazily enough - I have heard of people that stayed in fiat during the fork- and
then after fork bought BTC and BCH- mental.



Yes, many people that started purchasing BCH made some easy profits. I sold my BCH on kraken for 175 euro a piece... never expected it to get up to 600 euro's the next day Roll Eyes

Yeah - so far I have had fun with my airdrop coin..

Now that margin trading is open - the temptation to load up on collateral on finex
and go short BCH - at its next pump- in time for when they open deposit wallets - is VERY a very strong temptation even though I rarely go short - this maybe one of those rare occasions TBH - contemplating it.


https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/213

Can I use my BCH as margin collateral?
BCH will not be eligible as collateral for margin positions.
...but at BFX, our rules changes according to our moods..

.. I am no longer logged in- but I transferred some BCH into my margin wallet-  did not check to see if it increased my collateral- just checked it went in.  Will log back in when I can and check
legendary
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13eJ4feC39JzbdY2K9W3ytQzWhunsxL83X
What did i do ? Now, there`s nearly 9000 bitcoins on lending at polo. I shat in my own nest  Smiley
But the 5 percent won´t come anymore. Sorry.

I have been lending since May. 9000BTC is not that high, around 15000BTC was the norm before the last couple of weeks. The rates are crazy low right now though, probably because trading activity is down.

Still have 7BTC lent at 3-5%.
Oh no... my free money

Hmmm, I wasn't quick enough either. I'll sell next pump.

I thought that your BCH was in a paper wallet?  

How you get BCH so quickly, and how you get BCH in a location in which you can sell them?  What's your secret?

someone to help me ?? i can't see the BCH... either on Bitcoin ABC or Electrum Cash.... Balance 0. I spoke with one member here and told me that maybe i pressed the weep button that i clearly not pressed...any help..
I also checked the server bcc.arihanc.com on Electrum Cash... and the Bitcoin ABC is fully synced..

EDIT: in my BTC wallet i had 7 transactions ...
but in Electrum Cash i see only 2

Give use your BTC address.

I had 2 addresses that i used on this wallet that i exported the priv keys. here you are:

18rgT2VDEZzofFyQRLgFZ3TEJYbFBnZHzQ
1JafzAyfA4EQ2AGo6QptS5ggzUbFARE3m6

18rgT2VDEZzofFyQRLgFZ3TEJYbFBnZHzQ : address never used, there is no BTC and no BCC on it.

1JafzAyfA4EQ2AGo6QptS5ggzUbFARE3m6 : BTC on that address has been spent long ago, it was empty on 1st August, so it's empty now, no BTC and no BCC.

Have a look here it a photo from the wallet:

EDIT: i send August 1 and August 2 1 btc on each transaction. By that time the fork has happened
legendary
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....... soooooo

Bitfinex has now enabled margin trading for BCH

But not opened up deposit wallets yet

Cannot help but still think this is pump and dump and dump and dump.

These closed loop exchanges are messing with the price discovery- eliminating arbitrage opportunity
and simultaneously benefiting those with coins on the exchanges - those that wished to do so have been able to sell their BCH or part of. In fact the wave up and correction on Finex gave many a chance to almost double their BCH
in a day- and this ain't over yet.

It's gotta get messy when they open deposit wallets on the exchanges.

Crazily enough - I have heard of people that stayed in fiat during the fork- and
then after fork bought BTC and BCH- mental.



Yes, many people that started purchasing BCH made some easy profits. I sold my BCH on kraken for 175 euro a piece... never expected it to get up to 600 euro's the next day Roll Eyes

Yeah - so far I have had fun with my airdrop coin..

Now that margin trading is open - the temptation to load up on collateral on finex
and go short BCH - at its next pump- in time for when they open deposit wallets - is VERY a very strong temptation even though I rarely go short - this maybe one of those rare occasions TBH - contemplating it.


https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/213

Can I use my BCH as margin collateral?
BCH will not be eligible as collateral for margin positions.
...but at BFX, our rules changes according to our moods..
full member
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....... soooooo

Bitfinex has now enabled margin trading for BCH

But not opened up deposit wallets yet

Cannot help but still think this is pump and dump and dump and dump.

These closed loop exchanges are messing with the price discovery- eliminating arbitrage opportunity
and simultaneously benefiting those with coins on the exchanges - those that wished to do so have been able to sell their BCH or part of. In fact the wave up and correction on Finex gave many a chance to almost double their BCH
in a day- and this ain't over yet.

It's gotta get messy when they open deposit wallets on the exchanges.

Crazily enough - I have heard of people that stayed in fiat during the fork- and
then after fork bought BTC and BCH- mental.



Yes, many people that started purchasing BCH made some easy profits. I sold my BCH on kraken for 175 euro a piece... never expected it to get up to 600 euro's the next day Roll Eyes

may i know how? official statement from kraken is BCH deposits are under developments, so how you were able to transfer your BCH to kraken when they do not have wallet for it yet??

I had my BTC stored on kraken before the fork. I received my BCH from Kraken about 4 hours after the fork.
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