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legendary
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Someone seems to dislike the thought of $2900 in Western exchanges. China is constitently pushing towards $3k.

The question is how BTC will behave in the epic bust that many are expecting imminently, because even gold crashed in 2008.
Staying somewhat liquid could be advisable.

That's Bitcoin's use case. When banks start going bankrupt Bitcoin's going to get pumped higher than any of us can imagine. During the next wave of bank bankruptcies they will be bailing themselves out with our money taken from our bank accounts. Even the people that own the banks will be putting their money into Bitcoin rather than bank accounts that are guaranteed a 50% haircut.

And transaction fee will be 1000$ .

6. Incentive

By convention, the first transaction in a block is a special transaction that starts a new coin owned by the creator of the block. This adds an incentive for nodes to support the network, and provides a way to initially distribute coins into circulation, since there is no central authority to issue them. The steady addition of a constant of amount of new coins is analogous to gold miners expending resources to add gold to circulation. In our case, it is CPU time and electricity that is expended.

The incentive can also be funded with transaction fees. If the output value of a transaction is less than its input value, the difference is a transaction fee that is added to the incentive value of the block containing the transaction. Once a predetermined number of coins have entered circulation, the incentive can transition entirely to transaction fees and be completely inflation free.
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EtherSphere - Social Games
By the tone of your posts; "Nothing can stop ETH now, it's proven itself. It's gonna keep going up forever", I'd say it's definitely near a top.
The only thing that can possibly stop ETH in my opinion is another hack worse than the first. I think it is more likely that in 10 years ETH will be king and we will all look back and the reasons will be obvious as to why.

Ether bubble will burst anytime in the future. can you tell me a use case of Ethereum which is Live today?

for the use case of digital money we have Bitcoin.

https://medium.com/@yobanjo/how-etheroll-and-other-dapps-will-kill-ethereum-e973d8e1c465

Bitcoin is not really digital money. It tried to be for a while, but Dell dropped Bitcoin recently, Egghead and Overstock haven't seen any benefits. Bitcoin is primarily a store of value more than anything else. For example, with a $15 transfer fee nobody is buying a t-shirt with Bitcoin. But will someone put $100k into bitcoin as a safe haven and pay a $15 fee, sure you bet they will.

Bitcoin has value today because it is trusted as a safe place to guard your welath, safer than anything else. People have extreme confidence in Bitcoin itself, vastly more so than Ethereum.

Ethereum's use case is the platform of the new Money 2.0 economy. Bitcoin introduced the concept, but without any doubt whatsoever nearly EVERY significant money 2.0 project is built on Ethereum not Bitcoin. The asset list on coinmarketcap proves Ethereum's use case. Ethereum is doing exactly what Vitalik set out for it to do. Bitcoin digital asset projects are garbage in comparison.
So you think this will make the price of bitcoin go down from the words of the Vitalik?
The banks are looking towards ethereum as a way to control digital transactions using the blockchain technology in what they have seen being displayed using etherscan.
hero member
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Someone seems to dislike the thought of $2900 in Western exchanges. China is constitently pushing towards $3k.

The question is how BTC will behave in the epic bust that many are expecting imminently, because even gold crashed in 2008.
Staying somewhat liquid could be advisable.

That's Bitcoin's use case. When banks start going bankrupt Bitcoin's going to get pumped higher than any of us can imagine. During the next wave of bank bankruptcies they will be bailing themselves out with our money taken from our bank accounts. Even the people that own the banks will be putting their money into Bitcoin rather than bank accounts that are guaranteed a 50% haircut.

And transaction fee will be 1000$ .
legendary
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Someone seems to dislike the thought of $2900 in Western exchanges. China is constitently pushing towards $3k.

The question is how BTC will behave in the epic bust that many are expecting imminently, because even gold crashed in 2008.
Staying somewhat liquid could be advisable.

That's Bitcoin's use case. When banks start going bankrupt Bitcoin's going to get pumped higher than any of us can imagine. During the next wave of bank bankruptcies they will be bailing themselves out with our money taken from our bank accounts. Even the people that own the banks will be putting their money into Bitcoin rather than bank accounts that are guaranteed a 50% haircut.
legendary
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Bitcoin is not really digital money. It tried to be for a while, but Dell dropped Bitcoin recently, Egghead and Overstock haven't seen any benefits.

I *think* I read in the past that Overstock wasn't selling the BTCs they were getting. If that's the case, then it's highly unlikely that they haven't seen any benefits with bitcoin multiplying its value.
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Shorting ETH/BTC is probably a very good idea right now.

People have been saying this for about two years, and still does not seem to be happening in any kind of long term way... Go figure.

I am no fan of Ethereum, but the facts are the facts - it has performed way beyond the expectations of a large number of bitcoin folks, even though the ethereum pie in the sky 14 year old dreamers, indicated that this was in the cards and bitcoin 2.0.. blah blah blah.
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
Someone seems to dislike the thought of $2900 in Western exchanges. China is constitently pushing towards $3k.

The question is how BTC will behave in the epic bust that many are expecting imminently, because even gold crashed in 2008.
Staying somewhat liquid could be advisable.
legendary
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The only thing that can possibly stop ETH in my opinion is another hack worse than the first. I think it is more likely that in 10 years ETH will be king and we will all look back and the reasons will be obvious as to why.
Well, enjoy your corporation & government controlled "money" which isn't actually supposed to be P2P money nor digital gold. ETH and Bitcoin differ, albeit people who are greedy want them to compete for said reasons. It will suffer even greater scalability issues, and it has a "de-facto" king Vitalik who decides where it is going and what will be done. I came to Bitcoin because of the original vision of cryptocurrencies, which is decentralization and whatever came with it. If you think that "ETH" is the "de-facto" money making machine, then you are delusional yourself. Much higher ROI can be found elsewhere. Anyhow, there are already superior coins to ETH in the works, e.g. Byteball.

That off-topic, ETH shitcoin shilling put aside: Someone seems to dislike the thought of $2900 in Western exchanges. China is constitently pushing towards $3k.
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Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2871.53, vol: 8871.32717327 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2814.799, vol: 4544.12646 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2831.6, vol: 12651.23545533 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 2881.01, vol: 15282.4883681 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2985.785786, vol: 10908.95090000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2850.12, vol: 5121.81429577 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 2849.97, vol: 6355.3889021 | OKCoin BTCUSD last: 2993.461464,

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Bitstamp | There are currently 948.98854 bitcoins offered at or under 3000.0 USD, worth 2805809.9107 USD in total. | Data vintage: 2.3874 seconds
Bitfinex | There are currently 1723.2351 bitcoins offered at or under 3000.0 USD, worth 5054460.387 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0049 seconds

Well said! This thing is going to end as a corporate coin, platform. And Vitalik and his buddies will be the powers that be its' puppets! And if he should reject...well Guantanamo or Gulag!  Cheesy
Centralized as f*** no matter if they use a Blockchain or not, which by the way is pretty mutable as we know! Cheesy
No this has indeed nothing to do with the real vison of decentralized crypto currencies!
Bitcoin is and will be the real, true decentralized coin, available and usable by anyone in the world.
legendary
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By the tone of your posts; "Nothing can stop ETH now, it's proven itself. It's gonna keep going up forever", I'd say it's definitely near a top.
The only thing that can possibly stop ETH in my opinion is another hack worse than the first. I think it is more likely that in 10 years ETH will be king and we will all look back and the reasons will be obvious as to why.

Ether bubble will burst anytime in the future. can you tell me a use case of Ethereum which is Live today?

for the use case of digital money we have Bitcoin.

https://medium.com/@yobanjo/how-etheroll-and-other-dapps-will-kill-ethereum-e973d8e1c465

Bitcoin is not really digital money. It tried to be for a while, but Dell dropped Bitcoin recently, Egghead and Overstock haven't seen any benefits. Bitcoin is primarily a store of value more than anything else. For example, with a $15 transfer fee nobody is buying a t-shirt with Bitcoin. But will someone put $100k into bitcoin as a safe haven and pay a $15 fee, sure you bet they will.

Bitcoin has value today because it is trusted as a safe place to guard your welath, safer than anything else. People have extreme confidence in Bitcoin itself, vastly more so than Ethereum.

Ethereum's use case is the platform of the new Money 2.0 economy. Bitcoin introduced the concept, but without any doubt whatsoever nearly EVERY significant money 2.0 project is built on Ethereum not Bitcoin. The asset list on coinmarketcap proves Ethereum's use case. Ethereum is doing exactly what Vitalik set out for it to do. Bitcoin digital asset projects are garbage in comparison.
legendary
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Bitcoin Legal Tender Countries: 2 of 206
By the tone of your posts; "Nothing can stop ETH now, it's proven itself. It's gonna keep going up forever", I'd say it's definitely near a top.
The only thing that can possibly stop ETH in my opinion is another hack worse than the first. I think it is more likely that in 10 years ETH will be king and we will all look back and the reasons will be obvious as to why.

Ether bubble will burst anytime in the future. can you tell me a use case of Ethereum which is Live today?

for the use case of digital money we have Bitcoin.

https://medium.com/@yobanjo/how-etheroll-and-other-dapps-will-kill-ethereum-e973d8e1c465
legendary
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Terminated.
The only thing that can possibly stop ETH in my opinion is another hack worse than the first. I think it is more likely that in 10 years ETH will be king and we will all look back and the reasons will be obvious as to why.
Well, enjoy your corporation & government controlled "money" which isn't actually supposed to be P2P money nor digital gold. ETH and Bitcoin differ, albeit people who are greedy want them to compete for said reasons. It will suffer even greater scalability issues, and it has a "de-facto" king Vitalik who decides where it is going and what will be done. I came to Bitcoin because of the original vision of cryptocurrencies, which is decentralization and whatever came with it. If you think that "ETH" is the "de-facto" money making machine, then you are delusional yourself. Much higher ROI can be found elsewhere. Anyhow, there are already superior coins to ETH in the works, e.g. Byteball.

That off-topic, ETH shitcoin shilling put aside: Someone seems to dislike the thought of $2900 in Western exchanges. China is constitently pushing towards $3k.
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Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2871.53, vol: 8871.32717327 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2814.799, vol: 4544.12646 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2831.6, vol: 12651.23545533 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 2881.01, vol: 15282.4883681 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2985.785786, vol: 10908.95090000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2850.12, vol: 5121.81429577 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 2849.97, vol: 6355.3889021 | OKCoin BTCUSD last: 2993.461464,

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Bitstamp | There are currently 948.98854 bitcoins offered at or under 3000.0 USD, worth 2805809.9107 USD in total. | Data vintage: 2.3874 seconds
Bitfinex | There are currently 1723.2351 bitcoins offered at or under 3000.0 USD, worth 5054460.387 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0049 seconds
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The other advantage ETH has is the psychological advance of price. When people buy something they are not looking at market cap, they say hey ETH is $300 and bitcoin is $3000, I am buying ETH because it is going to be worth $3000 soon. It is not logical but it is the reason stock splits are common, people like to buy 10 of something that is $100 rather than 1 of something that is $1000.
with that logic they can buy ETC, its even cheaper and not different from ETH. this all looks just like hype
legendary
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By the tone of your posts; "Nothing can stop ETH now, it's proven itself. It's gonna keep going up forever", I'd say it's definitely near a top.


I have been in your mindset for 18 months. I am starting to think that people that refuse to buy into ETH just are choosing to be blind to what is going on and that includes myself.

I think that ETH is overvalued but then I look at all crypto assets on coinmarketcap.com and maybe it is undervalued.

http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/views/all/

Look how many are built on ETH vs bitcoin. It isn't even close and every one of those coins has an army of devs and a community of supporters.

I actually wish I had heard about ETH before Bitcoin at this point, it isn't that I haven't made good money on Bitcoin, but had I been behind ETH from day one I would be retired today.

I think that people that see what is going on without the bias of Bitcoin's shiny name would say that the crypto game was over a year ago, ETH was only stopped by the hack. I thought the hack killed it, but I was blind.

The other advantage ETH has is the psychological advance of price. When people buy something they are not looking at market cap, they say hey ETH is $300 and bitcoin is $3000, I am buying ETH because it is going to be worth $3000 soon. It is not logical but it is the reason stock splits are common, people like to buy 10 of something that is $100 rather than 1 of something that is $1000.

The only thing that can possibly stop ETH in my opinion is another hack worse than the first. I think it is more likely that in 10 years ETH will be king and we will all look back and the reasons will be obvious as to why.
legendary
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$3000x$4000 BTCBTCBTCBTCBTC   Cool  BTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTC...okcoin@$3OOO! woot

OKcoin is almost the same as Huobi, that still is $14 below $3000.

I miss the old chinese driven pump days, hope they take the lead above $3000 once more
legendary
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a bit critical, ain't it
legendary
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The Concierge of Crypto
I got some cheap ETH, joined a couple of ICOs, then selling them back to ETH or BTC, eventually everything will be in BTC. Doubled or tripled my BTC. Slow Motion Dice is what I call it.
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buttfinex charts are laggy. now, when its moving Undecided
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Top bitcoin price in exchanges

GDAX $2,919.93
OKCoin $3,012.98
BTCC $2,974.00
OKCoin $2,992.97
Huobi $2,989.15

+$3000 seems so soon  Smiley
legendary
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By the tone of your posts; "Nothing can stop ETH now, it's proven itself. It's gonna keep going up forever", I'd say it's definitely near a top.


i've thought it wasn't humanly possible to get any higher just about every minute of every day for the last few months. nothing's changed for me.  

Same here, but that doesn't mean I will go into a state of delusion.

I may be wrong about it though and I'm keeping an eye on it.

Don't do it, man. There are other-worldly powers at play. Don't put your grease on that fire.
legendary
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However high eth goes, if it has no practical value then it will eventually drop to nothing. Bitcoin is likely to stick around for the long term.
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