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newbie
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Let's say you live in Venezuela. What do you dump for shopping? Local fiat that is being printed like no tomorrow, or BTC that will increase in value (compared to local fiat)?

At Venezuela btc has much higher store of value characteristics than a shopping currency.
I'm not sure I understand your objection.
Are you telling me that it's smart for Venezuela stores to accept bitcoin, because no one uses it, or that it's stupid for stores to accept bitcoin, because no one uses it?
Please be specific.

You have a situation with rampant inflation in your local currency.

You can "spend" dollars as well (if you have them) for shopping, but that would not be wise (for you as a spender) but it would be very good for the shop. It's the same for BTC.

So a store can "accept" anything that is better than Venezuelan currency (let's say you have a shop and you put a sign on it "Now you can buy your groceries with gold, silver, USD and BTC") but the store owner can only wish a client would spend such, instead of using local currency.

So much I can teach you about economics Roll Eyes The store owner can do much more than "only wish a client would spend such, instead of using local currency." He can give discounts for the currency he wishes to be paid in. That's not even econ. 101, that's kindergarten 101. Duh.

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The "non-use" of hard assets and currencies for buying stuff in an inflationary economy is simultaneously a use for storing value. You can't have both at the same time.
Thanks for that bit on insight, Professor Gresham.

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So to answer your question: If you are a store and you accept bitcoin its smart for you (since you will take the BTCs of the client) but dumb for the BTC-holder to spend it. He should spend local fiat that will go down in rates in like ...the next day or week. This is what must be dumped (the fastest the better).
And logic fails you once again. It is *NOT* smart for me to accept BTC if no one uses it, just like it's not smart for me to price my goods like this:
"$1.99, but you can pay me $2.99 if you want. Or you can give me an ounce of gold, but you probably won't want to, but no harm in asking, amirite?"

P.S. @practicaldreamer: Come, Pumpkin, how's about sum #? I'm waiting.
newbie
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Let's say you live in Venezuela. What do you dump for shopping? Local fiat that is being printed like no tomorrow, or BTC that will increase in value (compared to local fiat)?

At Venezuela btc has much higher store of value characteristics than a shopping currency.
I'm not sure I understand your objection.
Are you telling me that it's smart for Venezuela stores to accept bitcoin, because no one uses it, or that it's stupid for stores to accept bitcoin, because no one uses it?
Please be specific.

P.S. WTF is a "shopping currency"? Money you can actually use?
As opposed to money you don't use as money, like BTCeanies?

Hey, whored.

How much have you lost to BTC buttercup ? Not in time BTW, which you continue to haemorrhage, but in $'s. A couple of k ?

Tell the truth now - don't be a deceptive as well as an ineffectual troll.

Friend, there's no need to be upset, I'm quite open about my bitcoin gambling, which is to say I haven't gambled meaningful sums for almost three years, after cashing out in mid-600s, on the way up.
How about yourself, Honey Bunny, you leveraged long?
hero member
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Let's say you live in Venezuela. What do you dump for shopping? Local fiat that is being printed like no tomorrow, or BTC that will increase in value (compared to local fiat)?

At Venezuela btc has much higher store of value characteristics than a shopping currency.
I'm not sure I understand your objection.
Are you telling me that it's smart for Venezuela stores to accept bitcoin, because no one uses it, or that it's stupid for stores to accept bitcoin, because no one uses it?
Please be specific.

P.S. WTF is a "shopping currency"? Money you can actually use?
As opposed to money you don't use as money, like BTCeanies?

Hey, whored.

How much have you lost to BTC buttercup ? Not in time BTW, which you continue to haemorrhage, but in $'s. A couple of k ?

Tell the truth now - don't be a deceptive as well as an ineffectual troll.
legendary
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Let's say you live in Venezuela. What do you dump for shopping? Local fiat that is being printed like no tomorrow, or BTC that will increase in value (compared to local fiat)?

At Venezuela btc has much higher store of value characteristics than a shopping currency.
I'm not sure I understand your objection.
Are you telling me that it's smart for Venezuela stores to accept bitcoin, because no one uses it, or that it's stupid for stores to accept bitcoin, because no one uses it?
Please be specific.

You have a situation with rampant inflation in your local currency.

You can "spend" dollars as well (if you have them) for shopping, but that would not be wise (for you as a spender) but it would be very good for the shop. It's the same for BTC.

So a store can "accept" anything that is better than Venezuelan currency (let's say you have a shop and you put a sign on it "Now you can buy your groceries with gold, silver, USD and BTC") but the store owner can only wish a client would spend such, instead of using local currency.

The "non-use" of hard assets and currencies for buying stuff in an inflationary economy is simultaneously a use for storing value. You can't have both at the same time.

So to answer your question: If you are a store and you accept bitcoin its smart for you (since you will take the BTCs of the client) but dumb for the BTC-holder to spend it. He should spend local fiat that will go down in rates in like ...the next day or week. This is what must be dumped (the fastest the better).
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
Let's say you live in Venezuela. What do you dump for shopping? Local fiat that is being printed like no tomorrow, or BTC that will increase in value (compared to local fiat)?

At Venezuela btc has much higher store of value characteristics than a shopping currency.
I'm not sure I understand your objection.
Are you telling me that it's smart for Venezuela stores to accept bitcoin, because no one uses it, or that it's stupid for stores to accept bitcoin, because no one uses it?
Please be specific.

P.S. WTF is a "shopping currency"? Money you can actually use?
As opposed to money you don't use as money, like BTCeanies?
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1049
Let's say you live in Venezuela. What do you dump for shopping? Local fiat that is being printed like no tomorrow, or BTC that will increase in value (compared to local fiat)?

At Venezuela btc has much higher store of value characteristics than a shopping currency.
newbie
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Venezuelan Pastry Shop Accepts Bitcoin Despite Public Distrust
"Hernandez acknowledges there is distrust of cryptocurrency, which he thinks explains why he has yet to conduct a sale in cryptocurrency in the two years he has accepted it." Cheesy

Let's see, if adoption keeps growing at the current [dizzying] rate, in another 2 years he should have ...~pulls out pocket calculator, punches in some numbers, confirms~ ... exactly 0 (ZERO) sales Smiley
Pretty good.
The road to universal acceptance is jut around the corner.

To understand the China/West spread...
http://s33.postimg.org/3y5z5t7j3/shootup.png
"This will fix you right up.
Wen you want more, you'll have to buy more bitcoins" Smiley
newbie
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http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg60zczsg2015-11-01zeg2015-11-08ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv  Grin

such losers these troll newbie account spawners ... what's wrong with them that they can't keep using just one account? Are they emotionally or mentally retarded?

Yup, from $500 before the auction to below $400 immediately after. I guess that's a win, afa BTC is concerned Cheesy
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
"Global professional services firm Ernst & Young has announced it will auction off 24,518 BTC (worth $12.9m) Shockedoriginally confiscated by a user of defunct online dark market Silk Road." - http://www.coindesk.com/ernst-young-sell-12-million-bitcoin-auction/

shouldn't be replying to yet another of these scammy trolls but it needs to be pointed out that the last 'official' auction date represented an interim top around 500 in early Nov. 2015. ... wouldn't be at all surprised to see a run up to 680-730 region before this auction now it has broken out.
US Government to Sell Over 44,000 Bitcoins Today
Stan Higgins | Published on November 5, 2015 at 15:02 BST http://www.coindesk.com/us-marshals-final-silk-road-bitcoin-auction/
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg60zczsg2015-11-01zeg2015-11-08ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv  Grin

such losers these troll newbie account spawners ... what's wrong with them that they can't keep using just one account? Are they emotionally or mentally retarded?
newbie
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"Global professional services firm Ernst & Young has announced it will auction off 24,518 BTC (worth $12.9m) Shockedoriginally confiscated by a user of defunct online dark market Silk Road." - http://www.coindesk.com/ernst-young-sell-12-million-bitcoin-auction/

shouldn't be replying to yet another of these scammy trolls but it needs to be pointed out that the last 'official' auction date represented an interim top around 500 in early Nov. 2015. ... wouldn't be at all surprised to see a run up to 680-730 region before this auction now it has broken out.
US Government to Sell Over 44,000 Bitcoins Today
Stan Higgins | Published on November 5, 2015 at 15:02 BST http://www.coindesk.com/us-marshals-final-silk-road-bitcoin-auction/

Bitcoin Rally Slows as Price Drops Below $400
Yessi Bello Perez (@yessi_kbello) | Published on November 5, 2015 at 22:57 BST http://www.coindesk.com/us-marshals-final-silk-road-bitcoin-auction/

Welcome to bitcoin! Cheesy
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
"Global professional services firm Ernst & Young has announced it will auction off 24,518 BTC (worth $12.9m) Shockedoriginally confiscated by a user of defunct online dark market Silk Road." - http://www.coindesk.com/ernst-young-sell-12-million-bitcoin-auction/

shouldn't be replying to yet another of these scammy trolls but it needs to be pointed out that the last 'official' auction date represented an interim top around 500 in early Nov. 2015. ... wouldn't be at all surprised to see a run up to 680-730 region before this auction now it has broken out.
hero member
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This looks like a breakout bull market to me ...

Average bitcoin exchange rate of all exchanges is already above yesterday levels, so I could agree.
newbie
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>it looks uncomfortable
>didn't have any real selling conviction
>looked more like
>drive quite strongly back up
>looks like a breakout bull market to me

Bro, do you even pump? Cheesy

"Global professional services firm Ernst & Young has announced it will auction off 24,518 BTC (worth $12.9m) Shockedoriginally confiscated by a user of defunct online dark market Silk Road." - http://www.coindesk.com/ernst-young-sell-12-million-bitcoin-auction/
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
Wouldn't mind consolidating at this price for a few weeks. I don't want to go up rapidly on no volume only to suffer a horrific dump.

Hopefully we can go sideways for a bit until after the halving & then shoot up again.  

some consolidation would be good but it looks uncomfortable around these levels, the drop from 570 didn't have any real selling conviction behind it and looked more like long term bulls pulling back bids for a better deal ... pretty sure we are going to drive quite strongly back up to 570, maybe consolidate around there or higher, just imho.

This looks like a breakout bull market to me ... I wouldn't be shorting anything or expecting sideways consolidations for a while.
newbie
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My guess is sideways today, plunge tonight/Tuesday. I've been hilariously wrong before tho, so there's that.
legendary
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Wouldn't mind consolidating at this price for a few weeks. I don't want to go up rapidly on no volume only to suffer a horrific dump.

Hopefully we can go sideways for a bit until after the halving & then shoot up again.  
hero member
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You're confused. That's the ETN that stopped trading because the backer, KNC, went bankrupt Smiley
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[–]XBTProvider[ S ] [score hidden] 17 minutes ago

Nasdaq paused our instruments since our guarantor KnC Group went bankrupt.
Yes, you are right, my mistake, sorry Cheesy
newbie
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You're confused. That's the ETN that stopped trading because the backer, KNC, went bankrupt Smiley
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[–]XBTProvider[ S ] [score hidden] 17 minutes ago

Nasdaq paused our instruments since our guarantor KnC Group went bankrupt.

P.S. Lol @ "instrument"
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Yuan "down 0.45 percent from its fix on Friday"? FU factor of half a cent on the dollar? Onoes! that changes everything!
BRB, texting Janet to fire up dollar printing presses & devalue the dollar, that'll teach those slopes!

Did you miss this?
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so if you wana hire 1000 people to make t-shirts, who do you employ? the ones who demand high pay, or the ones you can employ to do the same thing for a fraction of the price.
I'll employ the cheap Chinese. The ones I would have hired anyhow, only now they'll cost me less, if they still make the same in yuan.
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so if im in england, i want 1,000,000,000 t-shirts, im guna hire the chinese instead of the americans.
If you're not crazy/don't want to go broke, sure. I hope you weren't planning on hiring Americans before the yuan got devalued a few points, because then you're not to be trusted with money and should consider voluntary commitment.
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so my money then flows into china instead of america. and then because the dollar is strong, and the cost of producing the same t-shirt in america is higher, people will buy the t-shirts from me and import them instead of buying from a local producer in america. so 1) the jobs to produce the t-shirts have shifted to china
Yes, roughly 30 years ago.
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and 2) when people in america want to buy t-shirtsm they buy the cheaper chinese version causing capital outflow instead of inflow.
Sure, but you, Brit, are also paying UK taxes, and paying tariff to US (remember the 450% anti-dumping steel tax? like that). So both US and UK are making out just fine Smiley
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its one country steeling growth from the other.

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that 450% means anyone who needs metal will buy in the US instead of china,
Anyone who needs steel in US. Which has nothing to do with you, Brit. You can still get yours from China, probably for less, because glut in China, because none is going to US. Because US steel mills are employing people to make US, domestic steel. Duh.
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