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Yuan "down 0.45 percent from its fix on Friday"? FU factor of half a cent on the dollar? Onoes! that changes everything!
BRB, texting Janet to fire up dollar printing presses & devalue the dollar, that'll teach those slopes!

Did you miss this?
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so if you wana hire 1000 people to make t-shirts, who do you employ? the ones who demand high pay, or the ones you can employ to do the same thing for a fraction of the price.
I'll employ the cheap Chinese. The ones I would have hired anyhow, only now they'll cost me less, if they still make the same in yuan.
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so if im in england, i want 1,000,000,000 t-shirts, im guna hire the chinese instead of the americans.
If you're not crazy/don't want to go broke, sure. I hope you weren't planning on hiring Americans before the yuan got devalued a few points, because then you're not to be trusted with money and should consider voluntary commitment.
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so my money then flows into china instead of america. and then because the dollar is strong, and the cost of producing the same t-shirt in america is higher, people will buy the t-shirts from me and import them instead of buying from a local producer in america. so 1) the jobs to produce the t-shirts have shifted to china
Yes, roughly 30 years ago.
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and 2) when people in america want to buy t-shirtsm they buy the cheaper chinese version causing capital outflow instead of inflow.
Sure, but you, Brit, are also paying UK taxes, and paying tariff to US (remember the 450% anti-dumping steel tax? like that). So both US and UK are making out just fine Smiley
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its one country steeling growth from the other.

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that 450% means anyone who needs metal will buy in the US instead of china,
Anyone who needs steel in US. Which has nothing to do with you, Brit. You can still get yours from China, probably for less, because glut in China, because none is going to US. Because US steel mills are employing people to make US, domestic steel. Duh.
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stamp trading was just not being displayed correctly on bitcoinity. it wasn't doing what you guys were seeing.
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this is guna get quite interesting. the buying is obviously a direct result of china, but why? devaluation of the yuan right? right. thing is it was devalued as a direct result of, and retaliation to the US' 450% inport tax on certain metals. china pissed. as they were last time the fed got hawkish on rates. twice in a row in a week: hawkish fed speak = yuan devaluation the next business day. followed by dovish fed = increase in valuation of yuan. the fed was hawkish AF friday(?).. so monday = more devaluation = more capital flight = more "to the moon" \(00)/

and its only guna escalate between the US and china so all good on the horizon  Cool

ELI5 how debasing yuan counters the anti-dumping tax?

it strengthens US dollar = shit for stocks + makes exports more expensive imports cheaper. if exports are more expensive it means less foreign currency flowing in and more flowing out. singapore is an interesting exception to the rule, being the only island city state in the world: tiny with little capacity to produce physical goods, they have to import a shit lot and cant export much so a strong currency actually suits them quiet well cos it makes imports cheap and exports expensive. its vice versa to the US and china. it makes labor more expensive in the US too, basically exporting jobs to, guess where, china, where it just got cheaper to produce goods.

edit: it doesnt so much counter the tax,, its more like a big "fuck you i can play dirty too" "best change your tone or shits guna go south for you quick"
I'm not following. Ignoring your Singapore tangent, how is devaluing the yuan "make labor more expensive in the US"?
And you do know that US minimal wage is far better than Chinese average wage, so which jobs would they be stealing that they ain't already got?
Not seeing much of a "fuck you" there, to be honest.

http://business.inquirer.net/210705/china-fixes-yuan-at-over-five-year-low-against-dollar

 you might not but its there
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Looks like we've lost the price point. This will be a roller coaster until we reach $666 or $450/$420.

Hopefully we just hit $666 long enough for some rocket fueling stability.

oh the $666 troll hype again

pretty likely it will stuck around that for a while
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Looks like we've lost the price point. This will be a roller coaster until we reach $666 or $450/$420.

Hopefully we just hit $666 long enough for some rocket fueling stability.

Back to $450? Really?
I can not believe that to happen.Not that close to the halving.
Maybe one more pull back below 500 for a short time.But then I expect to bounce back up pretty quick.
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I sold at 560$ on finex then waited for 570$ and then when it jumped back to 525 I bought in again. It was clear to me the most resistant price level could have been on 570$. It still is actually.
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Viva Ut Vivas
Looks like we've lost the price point. This will be a roller coaster until we reach $666 or $450/$420.

Hopefully we just hit $666 long enough for some rocket fueling stability.
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Eadem mutata resurgo
Bearstamp bot has totally rekt their trading engine ... price jumping between 456 and 522 lol!Q!!

get out of there, looks busted

I don't believe that stamp is manipulating the market by selling tons of coins that they don't have. Their daily volume is into BTC10k (finex is BTC50k) it's just a shadow of itself, low volume so not many people keep $ on it, and it's much easier to transfer BTC in there for sale then get $ in

who knows wtf going on there ... but they are selling someone's coins at 20% below market at regular intervals, place looks rekt
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In order to dump coins one must have coins
Bearstamp bot has totally rekt their trading engine ... price jumping between 456 and 522 lol!Q!!

get out of there, looks busted

I don't believe that stamp is manipulating the market by selling tons of coins that they don't have. Their daily volume is into BTC10k (finex is BTC50k) it's just a shadow of itself, low volume so not many people keep $ on it, and it's much easier to transfer BTC in there for sale then get $ in
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Eadem mutata resurgo
Bearstamp bot has totally rekt their trading engine ... price jumping between 456 and 522 lol!Q!!

get out of there, looks busted
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It feels toppish, I won´t sell, anyhow

market isn't looking/acting toppy if you ask me... impressive volume on those pull backs, and we just keep on heading north.

it'll be fun to see 666$ again  Cheesy

that might feel toppy...


$666 might feel evil in a good way...
666$ / BTC
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
It feels toppish, I won´t sell, anyhow

market isn't looking/acting toppy if you ask me... impressive volume on those pull backs, and we just keep on heading north.

it'll be fun to see 666$ again  Cheesy

that might feel toppy...


$666 might feel evil in a good way...
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It feels toppish, I won´t sell, anyhow

market isn't looking/acting toppy if you ask me... impressive volume on those pull backs, and we just keep on heading north.

it'll be fun to see 666$ again  Cheesy

that might feel toppy...
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You're never too old to think young.
Im bearthinking rite now...

Bearthinking? Isn't that an oxymoron?

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i think 500 is easily sustainably we could probably go straight to 800 and 800 would stick! poeple want their coins, some lose their coins, the reward drops! and then there's not enough coins to go around.....
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Maybe i am missing something?  I don't really see a problem there?


problem is 400's is history.  Wink
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Maybe i am missing something?  I don't really see a problem there?

Definitely there is increased volume depicted, yet I believe that all that indicates is that for the time being there is a little bit of a price battle going on, but gosh psychology is definitely on the side of the bulls, no?

I mean, it is going to be somewhat difficult for bears or shills to attempt to convince us  (even the most naive of us) that bitcoin is ded or dying, no?  
Clearly the price going up is a sign that it will crash to new lows.
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Apparently there'll be an auction on 20th June for around 24,000BTC that were seized by Australian authorities.
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Hahahahaha


That will be interesting to see how that plays out for the Ethereum folks...

You know I have no problem with Ethereum adding value to the crypto space; however, it can be a little bit irritating for some subsects of the ETH space that attempt to engage in passive aggressive competition with bitcoin.. and little sly assessments and approaches to denigrate bitcoin.. while overhyping what it is that the scammy vapor (ahead of its time) that they are offering.


I WAS ok with the idea of ethereum, well, as an interesting concept, and idea (and not a "bitcoin 2.0 currency as the main goal for the g0ldz"). But.
That ended after the "IPO" of the first ether batch sale (sale? more like give us your bitcoins for this would be, thing) - premined presaled of an obvious speculator scamcoin 16000% return in 3-6 months bullshit -, with arbitrary, non defined, "will see in the future" monetary policy (?), like, what are the consensus rules are for new coins?

Bitcoin had a fixed, well known, open, obvious  - still unchanged - monetary policy on day 1 - should i say day 0? Oh, Genesis block it is Smiley
Than this PoS ethereum mutation idea, with a combined premine and presale before it is known?? So not cool.

THAN it started this "bitcoin 2.0, so smart contract, much DAO*".

* yeey, we can make companies without state provisioned governance, which is a great concept, but without any social precedent or theory behind it how it actually will solve: clear business plans, or expertise, and/or accountable management goals and/or actual PEOPLE who grab that fukin' hammer and hit nails, but that is okay, because... we can always opt out our DAO-ether for bitcoin  Shocked (except if we actually participate in a vote with YES/NO, cause than we are fucked)!"

The interesting parts will be available in bitcoin as well on any sidechains/LN solution in a few years, when the market in REAL LIFE actually want to start micro transactions to turn on water heaters for airbnb style renting.
 
This whole shared computing (other than unnecessary and technically unfeasible in scale btw..) and DAO concept is waaaay premature/unnecessary, like a baby born on -46 months. IT can not fix some physical problems like: how to network secure properly a guy digging a hole, and fixing that plumbing toilet waste. Oracle/Ghost that Smiley

TLDR; so even if the automated application running environment fueled by the token of ether provided by it's network in theory is nice, and interesting, it mutated into a wannabe bitcoin, without any of the elegant simplicity and scalability - by adding additional layers on it - of the Bitcoin network.



It would be difficult to disagree with any of that.     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy     Wink  Bitcoin to the moon, and by the way, I do remain somewhat surprised that ETH has not fallen like a rock yet... so there may still be some more pump left in it (ETH that is), but anyhow, it seems that the propagandists behind the ETH futuristic better than bitcoin vapor can only hold up such an image for so long before people get wise to it and begin to wonder where their return is, beyond the mere hype of it all.

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