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legendary
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No, it's not dishonest. It's stupid. He is saying a ship sails better with no captain, just randomly floating with the tides, winds and currents and whatever the sailors feel like doing at any given time.  He dismisses the concerns of the passengers, who don't just want to avoid icebergs and pirates, but actually have specific places to go.

Many of us are now just looking for a good opportunity to get off this floating madhouse.

this how Open Source works? it's new for you? eat it or leave it.

It's not new. I bought in at ~$10 when Gavin was in charge and saw the value of my investment appreciate several thousand percent. Since Wladimir took over, there has been a bump of <100% due almost exclusively to third world ponzi schemers.  Other than that, it's a complete disaster.  

If there is another serious test of $500 resistance, I will indeed get out and I won't ever come back unless there is a change in governance at a minimum.  I'm looking for that safe port to disembark.


keep calm, stay tuned. everything will be fine.


By now, we should all realize some things regarding Bully JoeAllen...  He wants to imagine some better place out there, but when push comes to shove, he cannot identify 1 other place to put his money that is better than bitcoin....

If there is no good place to park money, the option is always available to spend it instead. That option is looking more and more attractive to me every day.


legendary
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So whats up with the huge walls on Stamp again the past couple of days?  I see a wall of 1000 coins right now.  

Strangely I take that as a bullish sign.  Someone is trying to keep the price down perhaps?


Your last two sentences contradict each other...., almost....     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Mostly, I subscribe to the first sentence.......  with the understanding that frequently walls are put up in order to be pulled.


1000 coins at $416.50... let's see how long it lasts....

I believe that the price pressure is slightly inclined towards upwards, at the moment.


The $416,536 question:   Will the wall get eaten, or pulled?


In the past 6 hours since the earlier above post, the Stamp price has pretty much been hovering in the $415-$416 range.

I just noticed that the $416.50 wall was pulled and not at all eaten, and as I type BTC prices still remain in this same $415-$416 range.


UP?

DOWN?

At the moment, I put a little bit more odds on up... maybe 55% up and 45% down.
legendary
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No, it's not dishonest. It's stupid. He is saying a ship sails better with no captain, just randomly floating with the tides, winds and currents and whatever the sailors feel like doing at any given time.  He dismisses the concerns of the passengers, who don't just want to avoid icebergs and pirates, but actually have specific places to go.

Many of us are now just looking for a good opportunity to get off this floating madhouse.





i had come to the conclusion before that blocksize limit had to be raised fast and frequently. i did not understand for fuck sake, why core didn´t act. then came the blockstream narrative. those guys are on payrolls, they want to make a buck with new layers, crippling the original layer. ok, maybe. (i always thought new possible layers were welcomed and cheered by everyone). this interview made it easier for me to understand why core is so inert, almost academic.

and now you are saying that this is stupid. do i understand you right that the way bitcoin was maintained in the last 3 years was/is stupid, because there is no captain? you want another way of "governing" bitcoin. that is legitimate. as far as i understood it, there is none. do you believe the classic team will write safer code?

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Classic code gets tested on testnet the same as Core code.  There is no way of knowing how vulnerable ANY code is to hazards that are not uncovered by testing. Of course there are risks, but there are risks to doing nothing also. I am not a programmer or a cryptographer. I am a student of economic theory. It is there where my concerns lay. Bitcoin may or may not have the safest or more accurately least unsafe blockchain, but it does unquestionably have the oldest and longest chain. That's it's value and firstmover advantage. The size of the blockchain is Bitcoin's greatest asset and smallblockers and Core are treating it as a liability.  That indicates they don't even understand the very thing they are trying to safeguard.

We shouldn't care just what the cost to nodes are of a larger chain. We should care about the RELATIVE cost is considering the value of the network they are securing.  Likewise we shouldn't care if miners are getting compensated enough bitcoin to secure the network. We should care if they are given enough value in fiat terms to secure the network.  It's meaningless to argue over fees vs. subsidy without also taking exchange price into account.

Leading libertarians and anarchocapitalists is like herding cats and Core developers are no different. I know it would be difficult for anybody to do, but it must be done or Bitcoin will either die or fade into obscurity. There are few barriers to entry into this market and competitors are coming on fast. I'm not saying Code development needs rulers. It needs leaders that can forge consensus, and Mow is completely wrong when he says we have one. What we have is a roadmap that some are are reluctantly for, some are against, and some say they are for while they secretly are working to undermine it. What's worse is that even if the roadmap gets implemented, it may be too little too late. 

Classic is not looking to permanently replace Core. Classic supporters like me want greater on-chain scalability and we don't much care how we get it. So if Classic motivates Core to act, then it's a success. If it becomes the most commonly used client, then we know that will only be the case for as long as it enjoys sufficient support. Governance that is never threatened is unaccountable.  That's the hard truth that smallblockers can't seem to accept. Accountability and stability are inversely proportional.  It's a trade-off, so pick your poison.
legendary
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No, it's not dishonest. It's stupid. He is saying a ship sails better with no captain, just randomly floating with the tides, winds and currents and whatever the sailors feel like doing at any given time.  He dismisses the concerns of the passengers, who don't just want to avoid icebergs and pirates, but actually have specific places to go.

Many of us are now just looking for a good opportunity to get off this floating madhouse.

this how Open Source works? it's new for you? eat it or leave it.

It's not new. I bought in at ~$10 when Gavin was in charge and saw the value of my investment appreciate several thousand percent. Since Wladimir took over, there has been a bump of <100% due almost exclusively to third world ponzi schemers.  Other than that, it's a complete disaster.  

If there is another serious test of $500 resistance, I will indeed get out and I won't ever come back unless there is a change in governance at a minimum.  I'm looking for that safe port to disembark.


keep calm, stay tuned. everything will be fine.


By now, we should all realize some things regarding Bully JoeAllen. 1)  In essence, we are never getting rid of BJA - he whines and whines, and whether the price goes up to $500, $1000 or any other purported "exit" target, he's not leaving.   We should be so lucky as to have him leave, but he won't no matter how much he says that he will. 2) He's not really capable of being calm. He's emotional, and he seems to need a lot of attention.  3) He lives in a bit of a fantasy world.  He wants to imagine some better place out there, but when push comes to shove, he cannot identify 1 other place to put his money that is better than bitcoin.... Yeah, he talks about lending dollars and BTC and blah blah blah.. but in the end, he cannot identify any better place to put his money... so he is going to stay... and nag us all the way past $100k BTCs, if we all live that long?






legendary
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No, it's not dishonest. It's stupid. He is saying a ship sails better with no captain, just randomly floating with the tides, winds and currents and whatever the sailors feel like doing at any given time.  He dismisses the concerns of the passengers, who don't just want to avoid icebergs and pirates, but actually have specific places to go.

Many of us are now just looking for a good opportunity to get off this floating madhouse.





i had come to the conclusion before that blocksize limit had to be raised fast and frequently. i did not understand for fuck sake, why core didn´t act. then came the blockstream narrative. those guys are on payrolls, they want to make a buck with new layers, crippling the original layer. ok, maybe. (i always thought new possible layers were welcomed and cheered by everyone). this interview made it easier for me to understand why core is so inert, almost academic.

and now you are saying that this is stupid. do i understand you right that the way bitcoin was maintained in the last 3 years was/is stupid, because there is no captain? you want another way of "governing" bitcoin. that is legitimate. as far as i understood it, there is none. do you believe the classic team will write safer code?

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legendary
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If there is another serious test of $500 resistance, I will indeed get out and I won't ever come back unless there is a change in governance at a minimum.  I'm looking for that safe port to disembark.


Another serious test of 500$ resistance would break it, and then better wait for 650$ to get out... Wink
Of course, I am counting on a failed test to break 450$, and then a nice crash. Grin
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legendary
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No, it's not dishonest. It's stupid. He is saying a ship sails better with no captain, just randomly floating with the tides, winds and currents and whatever the sailors feel like doing at any given time.  He dismisses the concerns of the passengers, who don't just want to avoid icebergs and pirates, but actually have specific places to go.

Many of us are now just looking for a good opportunity to get off this floating madhouse.

this how Open Source works? it's new for you? eat it or leave it.

It's not new. I bought in at ~$10 when Gavin was in charge and saw the value of my investment appreciate several thousand percent. Since Wladimir took over, there has been a bump of <100% due almost exclusively to third world ponzi schemers.  Other than that, it's a complete disaster.  

If there is another serious test of $500 resistance, I will indeed get out and I won't ever come back unless there is a change in governance at a minimum.  I'm looking for that safe port to disembark.


keep calm, stay tuned. everything will be fine.
legendary
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Hide your women

No, it's not dishonest. It's stupid. He is saying a ship sails better with no captain, just randomly floating with the tides, winds and currents and whatever the sailors feel like doing at any given time.  He dismisses the concerns of the passengers, who don't just want to avoid icebergs and pirates, but actually have specific places to go.

Many of us are now just looking for a good opportunity to get off this floating madhouse.

this how Open Source works? it's new for you? eat it or leave it.

It's not new. I bought in at ~$10 when Gavin was in charge and saw the value of my investment appreciate several thousand percent. Since Wladimir took over, there has been a bump of <100% due almost exclusively to third world ponzi schemers.  Other than that, it's a complete disaster.  

If there is another serious test of $500 resistance, I will indeed get out and I won't ever come back unless there is a change in governance at a minimum.  I'm looking for that safe port to disembark.
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo

No, it's not dishonest. It's stupid. He is saying a ship sails better with no captain, just randomly floating with the tides, winds and currents and whatever the sailors feel like doing at any given time.  He dismisses the concerns of the passengers, who don't just want to avoid icebergs and pirates, but actually have specific places to go.

Many of us are now just looking for a good opportunity to get off this floating madhouse.


god, when will you finally jump?! so full of shit it's almost unbearable.
legendary
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No, it's not dishonest. It's stupid. He is saying a ship sails better with no captain, just randomly floating with the tides, winds and currents and whatever the sailors feel like doing at any given time.  He dismisses the concerns of the passengers, who don't just want to avoid icebergs and pirates, but actually have specific places to go.

Many of us are now just looking for a good opportunity to get off this floating madhouse.

this how Open Source works? it's new for you? eat it or leave it.
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1007
Hide your women

No, it's not dishonest. It's stupid. He is saying a ship sails better with no captain, just randomly floating with the tides, winds and currents and whatever the sailors feel like doing at any given time.  He dismisses the concerns of the passengers, who don't just want to avoid icebergs and pirates, but actually have specific places to go.

Many of us are now just looking for a good opportunity to get off this floating madhouse.






legendary
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thank you for this! my impressions is he is telling the truth.

Core is a very diverse group of individual volunteers as well as companies that donate the time from their employees. There are also a lot of differing opinions within the group. They can't simply react to people's feedback – there's no mechanism. It's just a bunch of guys that want to write code and solve problems pertaining to Bitcoin. There's no one in charge.
legendary
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He's redeemed himself a bit here. Now all he has to do is stay off Twatter.
legendary
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... only 17,000 blocks until halvening  Grin


Ok. chart buddy wanna be.   Wink
legendary
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... only 17,000 blocks until halvening  Grin
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legendary
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So whats up with the huge walls on Stamp again the past couple of days?  I see a wall of 1000 coins right now. 

Strangely I take that as a bullish sign.  Someone is trying to keep the price down perhaps?

Walls can be pulled. The order book is a spotty indicator at best. What is more relevant are the coins bought and sold with leverage. These coins have to be, MUST be traded for fiat. On BFX, there is currently almost $26MM in leveraged longs (62,000 BTC)vs. ~10,600 leveraged shorts, or roughly a six to one ratio. That is extremely bearish unless you think that people who don't have enough money to buy BTC without leverage are somehow smarter and better informed than those who do.



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SEPA is not a blockchain, it's some_weird_shit_Europeans_do.
Asking which blockchain is the safest should be qualified: safest for what & for how long.

i was trying to make a joke. Wink

Yeah, me too, but the second part's almost a real question. Some bitcoin enthusiasts seem to think that "the most secure indelible ledger" is mankind's holy grail. It's not. A curios, absurdly inefficient data structure, costing millions a day to secure, and all ...for what? Well. I just don't understand it.
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