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http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-March/012489.html

Quote from: LukeJr
We are coming up on the subsidy halving this July, and there have been some
concerns raised that a non-trivial number of miners could potentially drop off
the network. This would result in a significantly longer block interval, which
also means a higher per-block transaction volume, which could cause the block
size limit to legitimately be hit much sooner than expected.
[...]
To alleviate this risk, it seems reasonable to propose a hardfork to the
difficulty adjustment algorithm
so it can adapt quicker to such a significant
drop in mining rate. BtcDrak tells me he has well-tested code for this in his
altcoin
Hahahaha Cheesy
Go go Core!

In all truthfulness, I have always wondered the reason for the 2016-block difficulty adjustment. A finer-grained adjustment seems just natural to me. Though I've never looked into it. What are the arguments against a more continuous adjustment?

(The four-year halving always seemed funny to me too. Done merely for simplicity of implementation?)

Yeah, I wondered about it too, not the difficulty adjustment but the rate of reward halving reduction (halving seems like adjusting a wristwatch with a 5-pound sledge). My only guess (other than laziness simplicity of implementation) is the chance of hitting some sort of overcompensating feedback loop/parasitic oscillation?

The point I was trying to make was Core claiming the evol of hard forks & necessity of keeping the race Bitcoin pure (changing parameters potentially bringing about unpredictable butterfly effects), while, at the same time, coming up with their own reasons to hardfork.

Edit: and this
... If the difficulty adjusted very quickly or continuously, the minority side have a better chance of solving some blocks and keeping their chain somewhat functional while they roll out software that changes POW and reboots difficulty (if needed after this idea). ...
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Sorry - not following. Expanded explanation available?

Incidentally, the irony of Core calling for HF changes to the actual* consensus mechanism is not lost on me.

*I do not consider block size to be part of the fundamental consensus mechanism.

Say 75% of the miners agree with you, and begin using software that allows a larger max block size... Because the difficulty does not adjust immediately, whatever stragglers are left mining on the 1MB max chain will be at an extreme disadvantage, their blocks will come very slowly, if at all (I expect 75% quickly becomes 99.5-100%, before activation). Consequently, their difficulty adjustment would take a verrrrry long time. The minority side of the fork would be basically frozen, and not processing transactions.

If the difficulty adjusted very quickly or continuously, the minority side have a better chance of solving some blocks and keeping their chain somewhat functional while they roll out software that changes POW and reboots difficulty (if needed after this idea).

Given this, the somewhat long adjustment interval is a strong incentive for the miners to reach nakamoto consensus, and quickly, with dire consequences if they don't.  

Of course a PoW change would be needed to prevent being attacked relentlessly by the SHA256 majority... but this may buy precious time at a critical moment.
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All people are seeing with ETH is a rising number on an exchange. I'd love to see a survey of its, er, 'users' trying to break down what it actually is. That's not gonna stop it becoming a beast of course. The number one utility for the majority of crypto users is being able to sell it for more than you paid for it.

So the BTC price not doing well is like a self-fulfilling prophecy? Will it spiral down from here on?
The Accumulator just moved roughly 1.4m ETH to an exchange. What usually happens next?

http://etherscan.io/address/0xd12cd8a37f074e7eafae618c986ff825666198bd
Dump? Or scary newfags?
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All people are seeing with ETH is a rising number on an exchange. I'd love to see a survey of its, er, 'users' trying to break down what it actually is. That's not gonna stop it becoming a beast of course. The number one utility for the majority of crypto users is being able to sell it for more than you paid for it.

So the BTC price not doing well is like a self-fulfilling prophecy? Will it spiral down from here on?
The Accumulator just moved roughly 1.4m ETH to an exchange. What usually happens next?

http://etherscan.io/address/0xd12cd8a37f074e7eafae618c986ff825666198bd

Wow thanks for the tip bro, really appreciate it!!!

Edit gentlemand I agree.
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So the BTC price not doing well is like a self-fulfilling prophecy? Will it spiral down from here on?

It's doing fine isn't it? albeit not much is happening.

I think what plenty are forgetting though is that many, many bitcoiners flocked to it because of profit potential. Maybe they slipped over into making actual use of it too but that's always in the back of plenty of minds. If there was something that looked like a dead cert elsewhere, not that ETH is that, then no shortage would make the leap. It would probably go up in smoke but there'd at least be some action for a while.

There surely will be some very muscular alts in the future with way more ammunition than the shite that's been floating around until now.
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If we had BIP101 we'd simply get slightly longer block times. Maybe they should rush that in instead.

FWIW, Gavin officially withdrew BIP101 from consideration a while ago:

BIP: 101
  Title: Increase maximum block size
  Author: Gavin Andresen <[email protected]>
  Status: Withdrawn
  Type: Standards Track
  Created: 2015-06-22

https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0101.mediawiki
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All people are seeing with ETH is a rising number on an exchange. I'd love to see a survey of its, er, 'users' trying to break down what it actually is. That's not gonna stop it becoming a beast of course. The number one utility for the majority of crypto users is being able to sell it for more than you paid for it.

So the BTC price not doing well is like a self-fulfilling prophecy? Will it spiral down from here on?
The Accumulator just moved roughly 1.4m ETH to an exchange. What usually happens next?

http://etherscan.io/address/0xd12cd8a37f074e7eafae618c986ff825666198bd
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Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-March/012489.html

Quote from: LukeJr
We are coming up on the subsidy halving this July, and there have been some
concerns raised that a non-trivial number of miners could potentially drop off
the network. This would result in a significantly longer block interval, which
also means a higher per-block transaction volume, which could cause the block
size limit to legitimately be hit much sooner than expected.
[...]
To alleviate this risk, it seems reasonable to propose a hardfork to the
difficulty adjustment algorithm
so it can adapt quicker to such a significant
drop in mining rate. BtcDrak tells me he has well-tested code for this in his
altcoin
Hahahaha Cheesy
Go go Core!

In all truthfulness, I have always wondered the reason for the 2016-block difficulty adjustment. A finer-grained adjustment seems just natural to me. Though I've never looked into it. What are the arguments against a more continuous adjustment?

(The four-year halving always seemed funny to me too. Done merely for simplicity of implementation?)

I don't see why it should matters much. All the miners know about this. If they start fiddling with the halving parameters now, they're messing with the mining market.

If we had BIP101 we'd simply get slightly longer block times. Maybe they should rush that in instead.
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All people are seeing with ETH is a rising number on an exchange. I'd love to see a survey of its, er, 'users' trying to break down what it actually is. That's not gonna stop it becoming a beast of course. The number one utility for the majority of crypto users is being able to sell it for more than you paid for it.

So the BTC price not doing well is like a self-fulfilling prophecy? Will it spiral down from here on?
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http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-March/012489.html

Quote from: LukeJr
We are coming up on the subsidy halving this July, and there have been some
concerns raised that a non-trivial number of miners could potentially drop off
the network. This would result in a significantly longer block interval, which
also means a higher per-block transaction volume, which could cause the block
size limit to legitimately be hit much sooner than expected.
[...]
To alleviate this risk, it seems reasonable to propose a hardfork to the
difficulty adjustment algorithm
so it can adapt quicker to such a significant
drop in mining rate. BtcDrak tells me he has well-tested code for this in his
altcoin
Hahahaha Cheesy
Go go Core!

In all truthfulness, I have always wondered the reason for the 2016-block difficulty adjustment. A finer-grained adjustment seems just natural to me. Though I've never looked into it. What are the arguments against a more continuous adjustment?

(The four-year halving always seemed funny to me too. Done merely for simplicity of implementation?)

It could help a minority chain fork get some blocks solved while they're rolling out their PoW change...

Sorry - not following. Expanded explanation available?

Incidentally, the irony of Core calling for HF changes to the actual* consensus mechanism is not lost on me.

*I do not consider block size to be part of the fundamental consensus mechanism.
legendary
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All people are seeing with ETH is a rising number on an exchange. I'd love to see a survey of its, er, 'users' trying to break down what it actually is. That's not gonna stop it becoming a beast of course. The number one utility for the majority of crypto users is being able to sell it for more than you paid for it.
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I don't find it surprising at all, it's just all a big FOMO bubble.

Most people buying ETH don't even know what it is. They don't realize it's not a coin, it's not a currency.
ETH has not the same meaning than btc, it's stupid to see them as concurrent, they are not!

The most attractive part of it is, that it's not trying to be a currency, but it's more of a resource. Bitcoin is a low quality currency because of it's highly volatile price and it's addiction for greater fools. ETH has evolved beyond that and has moved a big step forward in practicality. How the technical aspects will hold up with the expectations, will be seen in the future. But I think that in not so close future. It's good for everyone that value flows from BTC to ETH, or else it will start to move from BTC to USD/EUR.
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http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-March/012489.html

Quote from: LukeJr
We are coming up on the subsidy halving this July, and there have been some
concerns raised that a non-trivial number of miners could potentially drop off
the network. This would result in a significantly longer block interval, which
also means a higher per-block transaction volume, which could cause the block
size limit to legitimately be hit much sooner than expected.
[...]
To alleviate this risk, it seems reasonable to propose a hardfork to the
difficulty adjustment algorithm
so it can adapt quicker to such a significant
drop in mining rate. BtcDrak tells me he has well-tested code for this in his
altcoin
Hahahaha Cheesy
Go go Core!

In all truthfulness, I have always wondered the reason for the 2016-block difficulty adjustment. A finer-grained adjustment seems just natural to me. Though I've never looked into it. What are the arguments against a more continuous adjustment?

(The four-year halving always seemed funny to me too. Done merely for simplicity of implementation?)

It could help a minority chain fork get some blocks solved while they're rolling out their PoW change...
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http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-March/012489.html

Quote from: LukeJr
We are coming up on the subsidy halving this July, and there have been some
concerns raised that a non-trivial number of miners could potentially drop off
the network. This would result in a significantly longer block interval, which
also means a higher per-block transaction volume, which could cause the block
size limit to legitimately be hit much sooner than expected.
[...]
To alleviate this risk, it seems reasonable to propose a hardfork to the
difficulty adjustment algorithm
so it can adapt quicker to such a significant
drop in mining rate. BtcDrak tells me he has well-tested code for this in his
altcoin
Hahahaha Cheesy
Go go Core!

In all truthfulness, I have always wondered the reason for the 2016-block difficulty adjustment. A finer-grained adjustment seems just natural to me. Though I've never looked into it. What are the arguments against a more continuous adjustment?

(The four-year halving always seemed funny to me too. Done merely for simplicity of implementation?)
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One thing we've unambiguously learned from this is that he not only is bereft of significant mining power, but also bereft of significant influence over those that actually control mining power.

Ooh, don't provoke the dark prince. He has powers beyond our imagining and legions of adoring minions who will do anything to please him.

I think the world will keep on turning if he does abandon us all. There'll be some suicides and self harming but we'll all come out of it stronger.

I do think he's right about Chinese mining monsters making BTC an abomination though.
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A notable retrocoiner, Mircea, concedes loss of faith in Bitcoin:

Good. That notable retrocoiner irritating narcissistic blowhard is toxic to bitcoin.

Quote

Alas, your quoted material seems not to support your conclusion. He's been swinging his self-proclaimed massive crypto-schlong around long enough. Yet despite previous threats, there is nothing in the quote where he signals a divestiture. Sure, if he dumps from loss of faith, we might have a short-term drop. But hath the emperor any clothes?

One thing we've unambiguously learned from this is that he not only is bereft of significant mining power, but also bereft of significant influence over those that actually control mining power.
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Decision point comes closer. And it doesn't look good for Bitcoin.

Transferred 100% out of cold storage into several exchanges.

Hodler for 4 years no more.

Interesting... just a few days ago you were all up uP UP! May I ask what made you change your mind?

I thought we as a community would get our shit together. And as everything points to a decision point for (several month ) in the first decade of March, I thought this only could mean up. Now, as the decision point is around the corner, I think I could have been totally wrong and from here we could see the slow bleeding death of Bitcoin.

I observed my own behaviour for several month. Even in Jan. 2015 at $160 I bought a hell of coins, because I believed in the community. Since then no new money (from me) entered the Bitcoin space despite I still am expanding my crypto holdings. I think I was wrong and the decision point means down not up for bitcoin.

Edit: I left fiat because I couldn't agree with how it works. If I stay with Bitcoin while I feel the same, it is kind of self-betrayal.


Funny how you joined this forum on about the week of the max up price (ATH), and then you were so foresightful maxed out your BTC investment at the peak low in BTC prices in order to be self-described as a "winner"?   Should we take what you say with a very large grain of salt?

Of course you should... When you study my whole post history you will find my entry point in bitcoin (not the one, when I created my BCT account) also. Wink


Well, each of us have our reasons for participating in the threads of this forum, and whether we find the threads helpful for us in deciding our bitcoin strategies or whether we believe bitcoin has become overvalued.

I personally believe that your recent posts are a bit filled with overhype regarding the direction of bitcoin, but surely you have a right to express your views and to reallocate your BTC holdings (and holdings in other crypto, if any) according to your views, timeline and your risk tolerance.
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did they say hardfork lol ?
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http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-March/012489.html

Quote from: LukeJr
We are coming up on the subsidy halving this July, and there have been some
concerns raised that a non-trivial number of miners could potentially drop off
the network. This would result in a significantly longer block interval, which
also means a higher per-block transaction volume, which could cause the block
size limit to legitimately be hit much sooner than expected.
[...]
To alleviate this risk, it seems reasonable to propose a hardfork to the
difficulty adjustment algorithm
so it can adapt quicker to such a significant
drop in mining rate. BtcDrak tells me he has well-tested code for this in his
altcoin
Hahahaha Cheesy
Go go Core!
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