Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 19812. (Read 26609830 times)

Silver is clearly off.

1 billion oz isn't the world's above ground supply, it's closer to the annual supply

Typical production of gold is 80-90mn oz per year, silver ~800mn oz.

So what you're saying is until now, miners could afford to make less money, but now that they're stuck with all the new HW, they have to get serious? Is that the gist of it, or am I missing something?
Chinese exchanges are in business to make money. Miners going broke doesn't add any new tools to the exchanges' manipulation arsenal. If they could manipulate the price, they're already doing it.

Check out this pic, a great view how small Bitcoin is if you compare it with worlds money&markets.

That derivatives market

http://money.visualcapitalist.com/all-of-the-worlds-money-and-markets-in-one-visualization/

Probably. Maybe that's why we crashed so low in the first place. People were trading on the information before I and most everyone else knew about it. And it's very possible that we could go a lot higher before the issue actually affects network performance, but eventually it will.  and then god help anyone caught long. 

Because the mining gear that accounts for the 220 mil GH/s network hash rate increase, came online only recently. Probably early
november.That investment needs to brake even fast. There is clearly demand out there, even at these prices but not to sustain it with out China's "help".
As for the second question: Only invest what you can afford to lose.Personally, I think China's greed will bring the death of bitcoin, unless we  magically get audited and regulated Chinese Bitcoin exchanges somehow without crashing the entire BTC economy.

Wow, you seem really afraid of it. How come it wasn't anything you feared before? Not aware of it?
You know conflict about the issue is a good thing. If everyone would be quiet about it, it'd be much worse.

Probably. at least 90%. If it don't scale, they're on sale.

All of them??

My bad. BUY BUY BUY!!!!

Shh  don't scare  the newbies man!!!!
What's wrong with you?

I don't know, Newbie. As soon as you start buying, I guess. All I know is that if we don't get a new ATH or a scaling solution by the time of the halving, I'm dumping my cold storage coins.

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Explanation

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The way I see it :      soon

ASICs at the next smaller process node have just become available. For miners, this requires a response to either pony up for the new more efficient equipment, or start your exit from the mining game. As long as the older gear is still revenue positive, it will stay in service. Given the rate of adoption of the new generation, this may not be very long.

IOW, this hash rate boost is driven by chip geometries, and does not require collusion with exchanges to be beneficial for the miners.

When will we start to skyrocket again?

If they could, why didn't they do it before their hardware became unprofitable, to simply boost their profits?
And why would anyone invest in a virtual asset which could be so easily manipulated?

Anyone here thinks there is a strong correlation between the huge increase in hash rate and the actual price of BTC?
I mean all that mining hardware has to ROI as fast as possible so that miners can see some nice profits.Look at the hash rate graph: https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate  
Hash rate jumped from 510mil GH/s  to 770mil GH/s in less than a month.
Now here comes the speculation bit and I could be well off here, but: We all know Chinese miners work close together with Chinese exchanges, maybe too close, if you get what I'm saying.Couldn't they artificially pump up the price so all that mining hardware that must have cost fortunes,
can pay for itself as soon as possible? I'm not saying demand for BTC didn't increase also, but did it almost double in 60 days like the hash rate or the price did? I find that hard to believe.I also think that doubling of the BTC price and maintaining it at that level is a trivial task for China's bitcoin industry.  
Long story short, I think China is way too invested in Bitcoin and is going to try and sell it to the rest of the world, for as high as possible for as long as possible from now on.That's why shorting bitcoin right now seems like a bad idea to me.    

You are right , and we can only imagine what is happening  behind  the scenes...

It seems to me that if you have to talk your book like that in this thread - especially pushing for a downward BTC price direction, either you are merely trolling or hoping to get attention or you have oversold your BTC holdings and are too emotionally invested in the direction of your own BTC holdings.

As you likely realize, a large majority of posters on this forum are heavily invested in fiat in a large number of ways, including probably their income (or their incoming cashflow) and maybe other investments that they may have made over the years.   That's just the way of the world and our current state of affairs of the fiat dominated systems that currently we are in.

 Accordingly, many participants in this forum (except the trolls) recognize bitcoin as a potential viable way forward that has considerable potential for upward price appreciation.  Therefore, our goals should coincide with accumulation of BTC based on assumptions of upward BTC price appreciation... and if we have been involved in bitcoin for at least a year, we should recognize that currently we are mostly in a bull market in the BTC world and it is safer to trade with that bull market in mind... and if we sell any portion of our BTC holdings to be cautious not to sell too much btc in order that we get too stressed out about and praying for BTC prices to crash.

Actually, there are a considerable number of BTC investors who become too nervous to sell any BTC once it appears to be a bull market and stick with tried and true approaches of hodl, which may or may not be a bad idea - yet each person has to assess his/her own situation to decide what's gonna work for him/her.

Anyhow, in the end, you can trade BTC how you best see fit, and if you feel good taking chances on the possibility of a downward crash in BTC prices, then that's your prerogative.