But smart doesn't always mean right. Karl Marx, for example.
Smart means left, not right, of course.
Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 20594. (Read 26607488 times)
October 22, 2015, 10:39:36 AM
Smart means left, not right, of course.
October 22, 2015, 10:37:56 AM
maybe Prof. Jorge think that libertarian means anarchist. were it was the same, we shouldnt make 2 word out of it isnt ?
Indeed I confess that I do not know the difference between the two when it comes to this issue: what decision process they advocate, in place of democratic vote and majority rule?
October 22, 2015, 10:37:35 AM
I was too early with selling the news a few days ago.
Now the EU VAT news is out, I'm happy to know we're going down again.
Now the EU VAT news is out, I'm happy to know we're going down again.
What's the opposite of a dead cat bounce called? How do you know this isn't a small retrace before the price continues to rise higher? I didn't notice any posts here discussing rumors about the VAT decision. I couldn't find any threads about it until the news got out, and I didn't know anything about it until then. I doubt many others were buying the rumor if there were no rumors flying around here.
We're you living under a rock since July 16th?
No, no rumours at all... I suggest you load up on expensive coins.
I'll wait and buy some $240 coins in the next two months...
I still can't find any old threads about it here, and I don't remember any discussions about it before the news was announced. Generally to buy the rumor means a community has to be talking about something and I don't remember any mention of the tax until today. This thread is great for finding out about the latest rumor, but I've not heard VAT mentioned for a long time.
Ah come on. As if all bitcoin buyers/investors come here to spread and buy the rumor.
This website is usually a pile of shit. Most bitcoin investors I know do not even come here or even know it's existence.
$240 in the next couple of months? Great, that will coincide with more fiat. Oh wait, does that mean I should sell now
Pile of shit? I guess I need to get out more often
October 22, 2015, 10:35:05 AM
I doubt even Marx himself would still believe in the Labor Theory of Value if he had ever been introduced to Marginal Utility.
There is a thesis saying that Marx learnt about the marginalism (he was an avid reader) and understood it destroyed its system, and that's why he put off the publishing of the last two volumes of The Capital. 
October 22, 2015, 10:34:13 AM
Interesting. So Coinbase, Bitpay, And Ripple Labs are working together?
sure, with goldman sachs too..
October 22, 2015, 10:31:12 AM
Interesting. So Coinbase, Bitpay, And Ripple Labs are working together?
October 22, 2015, 10:28:38 AM
If nobody is forced to do anything then those that are willing to carry things forward can do so. Linux is a simple example of this. Nobody is forced to use Gnome yet there is no consensus on using it. The minority might not like it. But they are not being forced to use it. They can come up with their own GUI or accept it if the majority puts all of the work into Gnome.
Ahem, that is what Gavin and Mike tried to do with BitcoinXT. But it seeems that "come up with their own implementation" is not allowed in bitcoin space...
October 22, 2015, 10:27:45 AM
You've had a bunch of southern racists and a certain australian media mogul telling you for decades that you shouldn't learn about true liberalism and true socialism. That's what makes the US of A such a fucked up place. A strong state is important. True liberal values are important. A strong democracy is important. The political analfabetism of americans is what's destroying America.
Are you serious? You think we get our ideas from Rupert Murdoch? We have the largest economy in the world because of...what exactly? The Teamsters?
Ah, yes."true socialism". Socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried because it wasn't "true socialism".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
I doubt even Marx himself would still believe in the Labor Theory of Value if he had ever been introduced to Marginal Utility.
October 22, 2015, 10:16:55 AM
This price surge seems to be led by the Western exchanges, and must be due to the European VAT ruling.
Were there any countries where bitcoin trades were already paying VAT (or inhibited because of it)? In Sweden maybe? In the UK?
Were there any countries where bitcoin trades were already paying VAT (or inhibited because of it)? In Sweden maybe? In the UK?
yes, for example this dutch exchange: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3pqy5n/eus_top_court_rules_that_bitcoin_exchange_is/cw8nrcc
UK? No, those guys cleared bitcoin from VAT years ago.
October 22, 2015, 10:11:33 AM
I was too early with selling the news a few days ago.
Now the EU VAT news is out, I'm happy to know we're going down again.
Now the EU VAT news is out, I'm happy to know we're going down again.
What's the opposite of a dead cat bounce called? How do you know this isn't a small retrace before the price continues to rise higher? I didn't notice any posts here discussing rumors about the VAT decision. I couldn't find any threads about it until the news got out, and I didn't know anything about it until then. I doubt many others were buying the rumor if there were no rumors flying around here.
We're you living under a rock since July 16th?
No, no rumours at all... I suggest you load up on expensive coins.
I'll wait and buy some $240 coins in the next two months...
I still can't find any old threads about it here, and I don't remember any discussions about it before the news was announced. Generally to buy the rumor means a community has to be talking about something and I don't remember any mention of the tax until today. This thread is great for finding out about the latest rumor, but I've not heard VAT mentioned for a long time.
Ah come on. As if all bitcoin buyers/investors come here to spread and buy the rumor.
This website is usually a pile of shit. Most bitcoin investors I know do not even come here or even know it's existence.
October 22, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
Most people calling themselves 'Libertarian' or 'Anarchist' have no idea what they mean themselves, no wonder no one else does.
I mean, their poster girl Ayn hates Libers and Anarcaps with a passion, I quote:
"For the record, I shall repeat what I have said many times before: I do not join or endorse any political group or movement. More specifically, I disapprove of, disagree with, and have no connection with, the latest aberration of some conservatives, the so-called “hippies of the right,” who attempt to snare the younger or more careless ones of my readers by claiming simultanteously to be followers of my philosophy and advocates of anarchism. Anyone offering such a combination confesses his inability to understand either. Anarchism is the most irrational, anti-intellectual notion ever spun by the concrete-bound, context-dropping, whim-worshiping fringe of the collectivist movement, where it properly belongs.
Above all, do not join the wrong ideological groups or movements, in order to “do something.” By “ideological” (in this context), I mean groups or movements proclaiming some vaguely generalized, undefined (and, usually, contradictory) political goals. (E.g., the Conservative Party, which subordinates reason to faith, and substitutes theocracy for capitalism; or the “libertarian” hippies, who subordinate reason to whims, and substitute anarchism for capitalism.)"
We are well aware of what Ayn Rand thought of us. We don't have lots of love for her, either. We do have a serious respect for her contributions to free market thought, but if you wanna look at real intellectual cultists, take a look at the Objectivists. I mean, even Nathaniel Brandon couldn't get along with her. True intellectuals don't worship their heros. We learn from them and build on the foundation. For example, even Saint Murray Rothbard himself though Intellectual Property was a legitimate concept. It isn't.
Rand was a brilliant but flawed woman. Her books were interesting and compelling, but hardly great literature. Her philosophy survives now only as an intellectual backwater. How ironic that Rothbard, one of The Chosen, was much less of an elitist. I respect Rand but I love Rothbard. I'm a firefighter with two jobs and about as far from being a hippie as you can get and still be white.
EDIT: Rand was also a Jew. Smart people, those Hebes. But smart doesn't always mean right. Karl Marx, for example.
October 22, 2015, 10:10:11 AM
Well some people are miserable bastards. Pissing on our fire.
I stood there shivering in my pajamas and watched the whole world go up in flames.
And when it was all over I said to myself,
"Is that all there is to a fire?"
♫
Is that all there is?
Is that all there is?
If that's all there is my friends
Then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all. there. is.
♫
October 22, 2015, 10:01:57 AM
October 22, 2015, 09:53:59 AM
(Without some automatic and economically sound fee adjustment mechanism, a workaround would be to have a governing body like the international commission that defines and updates (by voting) the Metric System: with no legal power, but with effective moral power derived from competence and representativity. But try telling that to the libertarians...)
What makes you think libertarians would object to that? Our problem is the initiation of force. Our core value is the NonAgression Principle. Obviously society needs order and structure. Obviously there needs to be rules. We just want those rules to be enforced by imposing opportunity costs and to reserve violence for defensive purposes only. Nothing in your workaround violates that.
maybe Prof. Jorge think that libertarian means anarchist. were it was the same, we shouldnt make 2 word out of it isnt ?
btw : price rises another 10 usd wow... im impressed
This is debated commonly among anarcho-capitalists. We are so different ideologically from anarcho-socialists (the original anarchist, most common type, and the ones most people think bout when they hear the word "anarchist") that it may not even be helpful to use the word at all.
If "anarchist" means "no rulers" or "no monopoly State", then I qualify, but not if it means "no leaders" or no hierarchies at all, then, well that's just stupid.
I'm a hard core free market dude who opposes aggression and coercion. Some day hopefully there will be enough of us that we can get our own non-hyphenated word.
You've had a bunch of southern racists and a certain australian media mogul telling you for decades that you shouldn't learn about true liberalism and true socialism. That's what makes the US of A such a fucked up place. A strong state is important. True liberal values are important. A strong democracy is important. The political analfabetism of americans is what's destroying America.
October 22, 2015, 09:50:21 AM
I was too early with selling the news a few days ago.
Now the EU VAT news is out, I'm happy to know we're going down again.
Now the EU VAT news is out, I'm happy to know we're going down again.
What's the opposite of a dead cat bounce called? How do you know this isn't a small retrace before the price continues to rise higher? I didn't notice any posts here discussing rumors about the VAT decision. I couldn't find any threads about it until the news got out, and I didn't know anything about it until then. I doubt many others were buying the rumor if there were no rumors flying around here.
We're you living under a rock since July 16th?
No, no rumours at all... I suggest you load up on expensive coins.
I'll wait and buy some $240 coins in the next two months...
I still can't find any old threads about it here, and I don't remember any discussions about it before the news was announced. Generally to buy the rumor means a community has to be talking about something and I don't remember any mention of the tax until today. This thread is great for finding out about the latest rumor, but I've not heard VAT mentioned for a long time.
October 22, 2015, 09:46:53 AM
Exactly, so the second market news is unrelated to bitcoin.
October 22, 2015, 09:44:27 AM
I was too early with selling the news a few days ago.
Now the EU VAT news is out, I'm happy to know we're going down again.
Now the EU VAT news is out, I'm happy to know we're going down again.
What's the opposite of a dead cat bounce called? How do you know this isn't a small retrace before the price continues to rise higher? I didn't notice any posts here discussing rumors about the VAT decision. I couldn't find any threads about it until the news got out, and I didn't know anything about it until then. I doubt many others were buying the rumor if there were no rumors flying around here.
We're you living under a rock since July 16th?
No, no rumours at all... I suggest you load up on expensive coins.
I'll wait and buy some $240 coins in the next two months...
Chinese and dollar exchanges are not really following, only some arbitrage trading imho.
October 22, 2015, 09:32:06 AM
(Without some automatic and economically sound fee adjustment mechanism, a workaround would be to have a governing body like the international commission that defines and updates (by voting) the Metric System: with no legal power, but with effective moral power derived from competence and representativity. But try telling that to the libertarians...)
What makes you think libertarians would object to that? Our problem is the initiation of force. Our core value is the NonAgression Principle. Obviously society needs order and structure. Obviously there needs to be rules. We just want those rules to be enforced by imposing opportunity costs and to reserve violence for defensive purposes only. Nothing in your workaround violates that.
maybe Prof. Jorge think that libertarian means anarchist. were it was the same, we shouldnt make 2 word out of it isnt ?
btw : price rises another 10 usd wow... im impressed
This is debated commonly among anarcho-capitalists. We are so different ideologically from anarcho-socialists (the original anarchist, most common type, and the ones most people think bout when they hear the word "anarchist") that it may not even be helpful to use the word at all.
If "anarchist" means "no rulers" or "no monopoly State", then I qualify, but not if it means "no leaders" or no hierarchies at all, then, well that's just stupid.
I'm a hard core free market dude who opposes aggression and coercion. Some day hopefully there will be enough of us that we can get our own non-hyphenated word.
Most people calling themselves 'Libertarian' or 'Anarchist' have no idea what they mean themselves, no wonder no one else does.
I mean, their poster girl Ayn hates Libers and Anarcaps with a passion, I quote:
"For the record, I shall repeat what I have said many times before: I do not join or endorse any political group or movement. More specifically, I disapprove of, disagree with, and have no connection with, the latest aberration of some conservatives, the so-called “hippies of the right,” who attempt to snare the younger or more careless ones of my readers by claiming simultanteously to be followers of my philosophy and advocates of anarchism. Anyone offering such a combination confesses his inability to understand either. Anarchism is the most irrational, anti-intellectual notion ever spun by the concrete-bound, context-dropping, whim-worshiping fringe of the collectivist movement, where it properly belongs.
Above all, do not join the wrong ideological groups or movements, in order to “do something.” By “ideological” (in this context), I mean groups or movements proclaiming some vaguely generalized, undefined (and, usually, contradictory) political goals. (E.g., the Conservative Party, which subordinates reason to faith, and substitutes theocracy for capitalism; or the “libertarian” hippies, who subordinate reason to whims, and substitute anarchism for capitalism.)"
October 22, 2015, 09:30:41 AM
Hard to imagine an (above poverty line) adult who never uses an ATM card in this, the Year of Our Lord 2015.
That was the first time I used a German ATM card in Europe. I've used my US card plenty of times through my life. I only really had a German bank account to deposit money and buy bitcoins. I never had reason before to get cash out considering so many people buy bitcoins from me for cash.
Part of the difficulty being the language barrier at the time.
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