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JayJuanGee

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Quote from: hdbuck on September 13, 2015, 05:02:49 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 13, 2015, 04:51:42 PM

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 13, 2015, 03:54:34 PM

Quote from: Ibian on September 13, 2015, 03:42:36 PM

Screw you bitch. Having enough savings that I don't have to work for the rest of my life gives me options and freedom that most people can't even dream of. Spending most of your life working for others merely for food and a shelter is the life of a slave.

Great, let's all do that then.

Imagine if only we could give 0.003 bitcoins to every person on the planet. Once 1 bitcoin becomes worth a billion dollars, no one will have to work anymore. Bitcoin cannot just put an end to hunger and corruption in the world, it can also abolish work!

You are speculating way too much. We are a hell-of-a-long way from everyone owning bitcoin, and I again looked at that pie chart that was posted with the koolaide man, and in any event BTC occupies only about .004% of the currency at the moment... ... a long way before your little problem becomes any kind of real potential concern.

Additionally, like i mentioned earlier, if someone is hungry, they are likely going to buy food rather than hold onto bitcoin.. HELLO, is anyone home? Huh

?

lmao +1

I thought that I was on your ignore list....? hahahahaha We buddies again? Tongue

Fatman3001

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Quote from: Fatman3001 on September 13, 2015, 05:33:19 PM

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- Obama Rules!!!! (no really, he does) -

See what I mean? Go ahead, get yourself a store-bought forryfoota that looks like a 90s kitchen appliance. You deserve it Cheesy

Funny, the gif shows up in my posts, but not in yours. Why is that?

Well, like Mr. President Obama always says, "First they ban you, then they cry like bitches and run to authorities, then they disable gifs, and then you win!"
Wise words

So you've been running the worlds most annoying stress test of a rather shoddy Bitcoin forum? You must be proud. Can you get rid of stolfi now?

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Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 13, 2015, 05:46:05 PM

And it is also something that I am expected to advise the public about, like electronic voting and other computers-and-society issues.

Nevermind, Brazil is in deep enough shit as it is. Best to keep him occupied here.

JorgeStolfi

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 13, 2015, 04:45:48 PM

One problematic nature of this supposed "professor status" is that such proclamation is misleading in itself, and serves as an appeal to authority.

If you check this thread back in late 2013, I never boasted of being a professor; someone else found out eventually, by googling my name. Although I am a prof of computer science, that of course does not make me an authority on bitcoin, and I don't recall ever having appealed to my title.

Quote from: Norway on September 13, 2015, 04:50:43 PM

Stolfi, are you paid to research bitcoin?

I am paid to research computer science. No one tells me what exactly I should research, not even that it has to be strictly computer science; except that I have to satisfy grant committees once a while, and advise students on their thesis topics (and that freedom of research is one of the few advantages of being a university professor).

But frankly bitcoin is more an hobby than work, like my previous net-obsessions with space exploration, cold fusion, the Voynich Manuscript, the Fukushima disaster, Wikipedia, Wikimapia... On the other hand Bitcoin is clearly computer science, so if perchance someone were to complain that I am spending too much time in my hobby, my ass is reasonably covered. And it is also something that I am expected to advise the public about, like electronic voting and other computers-and-society issues.

Norway

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Quote from: Fatman3001 on September 13, 2015, 05:26:30 PM

Quote from: Norway on September 13, 2015, 05:16:14 PM

Good hunt today. 4 kills.
Please help and report Lambie to the moderator as soon as you can. Make it a habbit and a hobby Wink

(Unless you like naked gay porn pics, or ascii art of it. Yes, Fatman! You are just too easy to entertain, ha ha ha!)

EDIT: Make that five.

He's defanged. Now he's no worse than the regulars.

Defanged, I had to look it up Cheesy

I'm going for the soul, not the fangs (Or rather: It's wallet). Because I think it's paid to do what it does. I don't mind crazy people. (Maybe I'm one of them?)
But there are some very strong incentives in the bitcoin game. And if a special interest is pouring money at distorting the freedom of speech, I will fight it.
Don't silence my voice with noise!
(Yes, I'm old and have worked many years as a journalist. Freedom of speech is precious to me.

Fatman3001

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See what I mean? Go ahead, get yourself a store-bought forryfoota that looks like a 90s kitchen appliance. You deserve it Cheesy

Funny, the gif shows up in my posts, but not in yours. Why is that?

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Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 13, 2015, 04:51:04 PM

Quote from: Ibian on September 13, 2015, 04:14:09 PM

So how do you rationalize advocating the concept if you won't support it with your own money?

You still don't get it? The purpose of a currency is not to be an investment.

If someone has to make some payment for which XCoin would be the best choice, he should buy as much XCoin as he needs and spend it. If some merchant thinks that accepting XCoin would give him 1% more profit, he can accumulate the XCoins that he gets for a couple of weeks (a 2% per year loss will not be significant) and then either sell them, or use them to pay other XCoin-accepting entities. If someone earns a substantial amount of XCoin that he does not intend to spend in a couple of months, he should use it to buy some more profitable investment. That is how a currency is supposed to be used.

Margaritas ante porcos.

Fatman3001

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Quote from: Norway on September 13, 2015, 05:16:14 PM

Good hunt today. 4 kills.
Please help and report Lambie to the moderator as soon as you can. Make it a habbit and a hobby Wink

(Unless you like naked gay porn pics, or ascii art of it. Yes, Fatman! You are just too easy to entertain, ha ha ha!)

EDIT: Make that five.

He's defanged. Now he's no worse than the regulars.

Norway

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Good hunt today. 4 kills.
Please help and report Lambie to the moderator as soon as you can. Make it a habbit and a hobby Wink

(Unless you like naked gay porn pics, or ascii art of it. Yes, Fatman! You are just too easy to entertain, ha ha ha!)

EDIT: Make that five.

Fatman3001

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 13, 2015, 04:45:48 PM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on September 13, 2015, 03:20:52 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 13, 2015, 03:09:16 PM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on September 13, 2015, 06:09:41 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 13, 2015, 05:57:03 AM

I think that my various responses had the right tone. I have been reading his posts for at least a year and a half.

There is NO personal attack contained within my responses... a little colorful language and to suggest that someone is simplifying and misleading is NOT a personal attack, it is an attack on his generally disingenuous presentation and he should know better regarding a variety of his points, that he is full of shit... and that is NOT a personal attack.. Tongue

Or complexifying and misleading, in any event, he's doing it for the lulz.

Fatman3001 - I believe that we largely agree.

From time to time over the past 18 months, I have engaged with Stofli, and sometimes he will stand up fairly vigorously to his various trolling arguments, and then other times, he seems to engage in a passive aggressive bitchism by NOT responding, especially to materially relevant points. Accordingly, sometimes, his oversimplification is to leave out material and relevant facts. At other times, he (Stofli) brings in a bunch of irrelevant arguments and facts to make something more complex with his discussion of the various irrelevancies and asserting tat those various irrelevancies are super important.

So yes, I agree, sometimes we also see complexifying tactics, too, from Stofli.

In either event, his posts seem to be designed in part to incite strong responses from other members because as an alleged professor, he should know a lot better than to engage in such fantasy, disinformation tactics, which causes me to suspect that he is likely financially profiting, in a variety of ways from the amount of time that he is spending on this forum and in other related bitcoin discussions.

It wasn't meant as a correction. I'm sorry if it came out that way.

Professors can be assholes too, believe me. He knows what he's doing.

I've read your posts from before you drank the juice of brevity so If you want to have a go at stolfi you're more than welcome. I know you can handle it.

Hahahahahaha... I have my moments of brevity and lack thereof... Wink

One problematic nature of this supposed "professor status" is that such proclamation is misleading in itself, and serves as an appeal to authority. Therefore, to some extent whether Stolfi is a professor or NOT, it is an unnecessary title - because his arguments should stand in an of themselves, rather than striving to bring credibility to his on line persona through a supposed position of professorship.

It does come up pretty quickly no matter how you play it. Such a title will have an effect on some. Some people tend to seek to authority for guidance and some cultures tend to have great respect for title systems. But if you look at what he's writing it's all a big joke on the world. And please note, he's not a professor of economics. But I'm sure he could get my old OKI Microline 280 up and running again. I hope for his own sake that his colleagues are in on the joke, if not he'll look like a royal twerp when they read all the drivel he's been writing in here.

hdbuck

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Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 13, 2015, 04:51:42 PM

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 13, 2015, 03:54:34 PM

Quote from: Ibian on September 13, 2015, 03:42:36 PM

Screw you bitch. Having enough savings that I don't have to work for the rest of my life gives me options and freedom that most people can't even dream of. Spending most of your life working for others merely for food and a shelter is the life of a slave.

Great, let's all do that then.

Imagine if only we could give 0.003 bitcoins to every person on the planet. Once 1 bitcoin becomes worth a billion dollars, no one will have to work anymore. Bitcoin cannot just put an end to hunger and corruption in the world, it can also abolish work!

You are speculating way too much. We are a hell-of-a-long way from everyone owning bitcoin, and I again looked at that pie chart that was posted with the koolaide man, and in any event BTC occupies only about .004% of the currency at the moment... ... a long way before your little problem becomes any kind of real potential concern.

Additionally, like i mentioned earlier, if someone is hungry, they are likely going to buy food rather than hold onto bitcoin.. HELLO, is anyone home? Huh

?

lmao +1

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JayJuanGee

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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 13, 2015, 03:54:34 PM

Quote from: Ibian on September 13, 2015, 03:42:36 PM

Screw you bitch. Having enough savings that I don't have to work for the rest of my life gives me options and freedom that most people can't even dream of. Spending most of your life working for others merely for food and a shelter is the life of a slave.

Great, let's all do that then.

Imagine if only we could give 0.003 bitcoins to every person on the planet. Once 1 bitcoin becomes worth a billion dollars, no one will have to work anymore. Bitcoin cannot just put an end to hunger and corruption in the world, it can also abolish work!

You are speculating way too much. We are a hell-of-a-long way from everyone owning bitcoin, and I again looked at that pie chart that was posted with the koolaide man, and in any event BTC occupies only about .004% of the currency at the moment... ... a long way before your little problem becomes any kind of real potential concern.

Additionally, like i mentioned earlier, if someone is hungry, they are likely going to buy food rather than hold onto bitcoin.. HELLO, is anyone home? Huh

?

JorgeStolfi

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Quote from: Ibian on September 13, 2015, 04:14:09 PM

So how do you rationalize advocating the concept if you won't support it with your own money?

You still don't get it? The purpose of a currency is not to be an investment.

If someone has to make some payment for which XCoin would be the best choice, he should buy as much XCoin as he needs and spend it. If some merchant thinks that accepting XCoin would give him 1% more profit, he can accumulate the XCoins that he gets for a couple of weeks (a 2% per year loss will not be significant) and then either sell them, or use them to pay other XCoin-accepting entities. If someone earns a substantial amount of XCoin that he does not intend to spend in a couple of months, he should use it to buy some more profitable investment. That is how a currency is supposed to be used.

Norway

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Stolfi, are you paid to research bitcoin?

JayJuanGee

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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

Quote from: Fatman3001 on September 13, 2015, 03:20:52 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 13, 2015, 03:09:16 PM

Quote from: Fatman3001 on September 13, 2015, 06:09:41 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 13, 2015, 05:57:03 AM

I think that my various responses had the right tone. I have been reading his posts for at least a year and a half.

There is NO personal attack contained within my responses... a little colorful language and to suggest that someone is simplifying and misleading is NOT a personal attack, it is an attack on his generally disingenuous presentation and he should know better regarding a variety of his points, that he is full of shit... and that is NOT a personal attack.. Tongue

Or complexifying and misleading, in any event, he's doing it for the lulz.

Fatman3001 - I believe that we largely agree.

From time to time over the past 18 months, I have engaged with Stofli, and sometimes he will stand up fairly vigorously to his various trolling arguments, and then other times, he seems to engage in a passive aggressive bitchism by NOT responding, especially to materially relevant points. Accordingly, sometimes, his oversimplification is to leave out material and relevant facts. At other times, he (Stofli) brings in a bunch of irrelevant arguments and facts to make something more complex with his discussion of the various irrelevancies and asserting tat those various irrelevancies are super important.

So yes, I agree, sometimes we also see complexifying tactics, too, from Stofli.

In either event, his posts seem to be designed in part to incite strong responses from other members because as an alleged professor, he should know a lot better than to engage in such fantasy, disinformation tactics, which causes me to suspect that he is likely financially profiting, in a variety of ways from the amount of time that he is spending on this forum and in other related bitcoin discussions.

It wasn't meant as a correction. I'm sorry if it came out that way.

Professors can be assholes too, believe me. He knows what he's doing.

I've read your posts from before you drank the juice of brevity so If you want to have a go at stolfi you're more than welcome. I know you can handle it.

Hahahahahaha... I have my moments of brevity and lack thereof... Wink

One problematic nature of this supposed "professor status" is that such proclamation is misleading in itself, and serves as an appeal to authority. Therefore, to some extent whether Stolfi is a professor or NOT, it is an unnecessary title - because his arguments should stand in an of themselves, rather than striving to bring credibility to his on line persona through a supposed position of professorship.

Fatman3001

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Stolfi-economics is a sorry mess

JayJuanGee

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Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 13, 2015, 03:05:44 PM

Quote from: Elwar on September 13, 2015, 03:21:13 AM

Jorge and other Keynesians hate people saving their money because then nobody has a safety net. Without a safety net this necessitates the government to provide it. And there is nothing Keynesians love more than government force.

I don't know enough about Keynes (or Economics) to tell whether I am a Keynesian. But I certainly do not "hate people saving their money", quite the opposite: I wish people (and my compatriots especially) would consume less and invest more. But I would like to see them choose productive investments; and hoarding currency (or gold) is not productive.

Hoarding currency is bad for the individual, because all currency will lose value eventually. (As you well know, I am sure that will happen to bitcoin, too, even if there may be another bubble or two.) Hoarding currency is also bad for society because it harms the currency, by destabilizing its value.

You are talking out of both sides of your ass, here. First you assert that bitcoin is problematically flawed because it does NOT lose value like other currencies and that it needs to have inflation of currency built into it, then you say that bitcoin is like all other currencies...

WTF? can you be a little less self-contradictory in your ridiculous assertions in order to really pinpoint some kind of meaningful issue rather than just making things up.. Huh

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Quote from: JorgeStolfi on September 13, 2015, 03:05:44 PM

Let me reming people that this discussion started when someone asked for my idea of a good cryptocurrency. Well, among other things, a good cryptocurrency should be designed so that no one will be tempted to hoard it.

potential hoarding is a feature and not a bug.

If bitcoin were the only currency or storage of value, and if someone wants to eat, i'm sure that that person would give up a little bitcoin to buy some food, no? or will they starve themselves to death because they believe that BTC is too valuable? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on September 13, 2015, 04:29:04 PM

Quote from: Ibian on September 13, 2015, 04:20:03 PM

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on September 13, 2015, 04:17:58 PM

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Curious spectators who can't see through polite-trolling are worthless anyway. The guy is here to argue, not to debate. He is not being honest.

Debate: contention in argument; strife, dissension, quarrelling, controversy; especially a formal discussion of subjects before a public assembly or legislature, in Parliament or in any deliberative assembly.

You prefer more impolite-trolling? Seems there is a very dedicated individual to provide you with that...

Where exactly is he being dishonest? He's just stating his personal opinion, which may be proven to be correct or incorrect.

He is advocating a crypto-system which already exists and which he refuses to back with his own money. He is a shill, paid or otherwise.

Cconvert2G36

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Quote from: Ibian on September 13, 2015, 04:20:03 PM

Quote from: Cconvert2G36 on September 13, 2015, 04:17:58 PM

-snip-

Curious spectators who can't see through polite-trolling are worthless anyway. The guy is here to argue, not to debate. He is not being honest.

Debate: contention in argument; strife, dissension, quarrelling, controversy; especially a formal discussion of subjects before a public assembly or legislature, in Parliament or in any deliberative assembly.

You prefer more impolite-trolling? Seems there is a very dedicated individual to provide you with that...

Where exactly is he being dishonest? He's just stating his personal opinion, which may be proven to be correct or incorrect.

Norway

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Just killed 40 Lambie-"I can't post naked gay pics anymore boo hoo"-puppets! This is getting fun!

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