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http://cointelegraph.com/news/114481/chinese-exchanges-reject-gavin-andresens-20-mb-block-size-increase

Pathetic. The Bitcoin community is only ripping itself apart. Sometimes you have to do what is best for the community, but some people institutions are only interested in doing what's best for themselves.

The great thing about bitcoin is that consensus in a distributed system overcomes all ego's.


What happened to OKcoin? ... I wonder




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“An increase in block size to 20 megabyte would increase operating costs for miners and likely negatively impact the block orphan rates. Higher costs would be propagated to miners and then we may face a scenario where miners cannot run their operations profitably, causing some miners to cease operations. Fewer miners would lead to a decrease in the hash rate, thereby increasing the risk of 51% attacks on the network. ”

oh come on! such ludicrous BS downloading 20MB is SOOOOOOOOO costly

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“A very large block size would be problematic for miners because the network bandwidth between China, where the majority of mining is done, and rest of the world is heavily restricted. Important proposals like these need to factor in all of the nuances of the global landscape.”

the bandwidth between China and rest of the world is <20MB every 10 mins?




legendary
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Pathetic. The Bitcoin community is only ripping itself apart. Sometimes you have to do what is best for the community, but some people are only interested in doing what's best for themselves.

A bit harsh.
The only real barrier in there is that they don't want to switch to Bitcoin XT, they wan't to remain with the core Bitcoin software that is tried and tested (not saying XT is buggy - I have no idea)
Gavin has already acknowledged that 20Mb was a calculation error, and is going for 8Mb (as his first card in the negotiations), and not as a hard limit (one of the objections in this article), ie with a schedule of increases
They also acknowledge the need to raise it.

All part of the 'compromise' process that is in progress IMO. Isn't that better than forced changes made by one entity/person?

That will help solidify the needed consensus.. What is important to note is that we have to grow the core Bitcoin software first before we allow 3rd party centralized networks dictate how this technology should evolve.
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Pathetic. The Bitcoin community is only ripping itself apart. Sometimes you have to do what is best for the community, but some people are only interested in doing what's best for themselves.

A bit harsh.
The only real barrier in there is that they don't want to switch to Bitcoin XT, they wan't to remain with the core Bitcoin software that is tried and tested (not saying XT is buggy - I have no idea)
Gavin has already acknowledged that 20Mb was a calculation error, and is going for 8Mb (as his first card in the negotiations).
They also acknowledge the need to raise it, and saying that there should be a hard upper limit at any one time is eminently sensible. Of course there will be, tho it will likely need to be adjusted over time, which is also being proposed i believe

All part of the 'compromise' process that is in progress IMO. Isn't that better than forced changes made by one entity/person?

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As many have already suggested, a compromise with a smaller block size of four megabytes sounds quite reasonable

Hardly sounds like they are being totally un-cooperative to me. Would not surprise me if 'half of what I said' is what Gavin is gunning for anyway. You don't open a negotiation with your final offer.

EDITED for a couple innaccuracies after re-reading the article  Wink
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http://cointelegraph.com/news/114481/chinese-exchanges-reject-gavin-andresens-20-mb-block-size-increase

Pathetic. The Bitcoin community is only ripping itself apart. Sometimes you have to do what is best for the community, but some people institutions are only interested in doing what's best for themselves.

The great thing about bitcoin is that consensus in a distributed system overcomes all ego's.


What happened to OKcoin? ... I wonder

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Pathetic. The Bitcoin community is only ripping itself apart. Sometimes you have to do what is best for the community, but some people are only interested in doing what's best for themselves.
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They have added a bunch.
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Launching an exchange is the easy part. After launch, getting volume and network effect is the hard part. Look at itBit for example. After their New york trust license, nothing significant happened. I don't expect any different for Gemini.

Bingo.  Coinbase launched their exchange and look what happened?  Zilch. Nada. Tumbleweeds.  And they didn't even get licensed in all States, only about half of them.  I expect the same or less for Gemini.



how much longer before other states can use the new exchange? i suppose I should try to login again.
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Launching an exchange is the easy part. After launch, getting volume and network effect is the hard part. Look at itBit for example. After their New york trust license, nothing significant happened. I don't expect any different for Gemini.

Bingo.  Coinbase launched their exchange and look what happened?  Zilch. Nada. Tumbleweeds.  And they didn't even get licensed in all States, only about half of them.  I expect the same or less for Gemini.
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Weekend shaping up to be interesting...
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Yeh, I'm not really seeing why there should be any significant price impact. We are just getting more fragmentation of volume across exchanges, which I am not sure is great for anyone except bots and arbers. Sure, no central point of failure, like Gox, but volume is going to need to pick up make all these ventures profitable.

Some will say it is one step closer to COIN - that may or may not be true. I have no idea if the SEC is looking at the two as a package.

I'm just speculating, but the Winklevoss are going to need to submit another S-1A without mtgox, btc-e and other foreign exchanges listed in it. Once itBit, Gemini, Coinsetter, Coinbase Exchange, and other US exchanges are the main ones with enough volume, they need to submit another S-1A and the SEC might approve it. I think that is one of the main things holding it up. I am expecting the ETF to go live maybe by summer of next year.

That is an interesting angle. I am certainly wondering which exchanges will still be with us in 12 months time and how much 'territory' these new 'regulated' exchanges can grab.
Summer of next year, wow, that's a lot longer than many are hoping for
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Yeh, I'm not really seeing why there should be any significant price impact. We are just getting more fragmentation of volume across exchanges, which I am not sure is great for anyone except bots and arbers. Sure, no central point of failure, like Gox, but volume is going to need to pick up make all these ventures profitable.

Some will say it is one step closer to COIN - that may or may not be true. I have no idea if the SEC is looking at the two as a package.

I'm just speculating, but the Winklevoss are going to need to submit another S-1A without mtgox, btc-e and other foreign exchanges listed in it. Once itBit, Gemini, Coinsetter, Coinbase Exchange, and other US exchanges are the main ones with enough volume, they need to submit another S-1A and the SEC might approve it. I think that is one of the main things holding it up. I am expecting the ETF to go live maybe by summer of next year.
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Launching an exchange is the easy part. After launch, getting volume and network effect is the hard part. Look at itBit for example. After their New york trust license, nothing significant happened. I don't expect any different for Gemini.

Yeh, I'm not really seeing why there should be any significant price impact. We are just getting more fragmentation of volume across exchanges, which I am not sure is great for anyone except bots and arbers. Sure, no central point of failure, like Gox, but volume is going to need to pick up make all these ventures profitable.

Some will say it is one step closer to COIN - that may or may not be true. I have no idea if the SEC is looking at the two as a package.
legendary
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Launching an exchange is the easy part. After launch, getting volume and network effect is the hard part. Look at itBit for example. After their New york trust license, nothing significant happened. I don't expect any different for Gemini.
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Just in case you forgot where we are going



even then you won't be able to afford a whole bitcoin. give up and drop your dirty fiat bags, lol


If it keeps going like this, i think i will be able to purchase a few mills by the end of 2018. But don't worry, i'm a good tipper. A few months ago i was tipping people with hundreds of thousands of flappycoins. This time imma do it with Gavincoin.
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