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legendary
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http://Http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/04/30/2127543/meet-the-company-that-wants-to-put-a-bitcoin-miner-in-your-toaster/

 

Did you guys see this? The rumors that 21 will be putting miners in everyday devices appears to be true. They also plan to onboard customers by giving many of these devices away for free!


Interesting.

I have long thought that someone would do this..

i guess its good to know that when btc reward for miner finally ended, we will have system ready to take over miners role.  
legendary
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legendary
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Welt Am Draht
Does bitpay accept USD? Does China?

Edit: this is so depressing. Someone else can tag in from here.

There is an enormous, beautiful world out there beyond your screen. Why not go out and dry hump it instead of wasting your life force on someone who will never, ever take a single character on board?

Every second you engage means he's depriving you of a moment you could be spending on something that enriches your life. Ignore and jump for joy.
hero member
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Does bitpay accept USD? Does China?

Bitpay's business is bitcoin-to-USD.  Circle and Coinbase set out to do USD-to-bitcoin.  Circle's new announcement is about USD-to-USD, eventually USD-to-CNY or CNY-to-USD.  Where am I wrong?
legendary
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The projects that you keep trying to talk for, are not as short sighted imo.

There have been many errors of judgement in bitcoin land, like in any other field.  Unfortunately the Antonopouloses have been magnifying the supposed advantages and inflating the probabilities, while minimizing or ignoring the problems.  When I started looking into it, at the end of 2013, everybody was saying  that bitcoin would 'obviously' replace credit and debit cards in a short time, because of the high fees and charge-backs of the latter.  Well, it did not happen.   Companies that invested heavily into that market are now in trouble.

Yes, always bet on nothing changing, ever, because as history shows.... oh shit.
hero member
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The projects that you keep trying to talk for, are not as short sighted imo.

There have been many errors of judgement in bitcoin land, like in any other field.  Unfortunately the Antonopouloses have been magnifying the supposed advantages and inflating the probabilities, while minimizing or ignoring the problems.  When I started looking into it, at the end of 2013, everybody was saying  that bitcoin would 'obviously' replace credit and debit cards in a short time, because of the high fees and charge-backs of the latter.  Well, it did not happen.   Companies that invested heavily into that market are now in trouble.
legendary
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Does bitpay accept USD? Does China?

Edit: this is so depressing. Someone else can tag in from here.
hero member
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Ok, I'll humour you.
What happens when a Circle customer wants to buy something over the web from a merchant who isn't a Circle user? Maybe they use BitPay, or another service, or they're happy accepting funds in bitcoins. Do they:
1) Send a cheque, and inform the merchant by email (followed by a phone call)
2) Make a SWIFT transfer
3) Bridge the gap in some other way?

You tell me.  We are talking about a customer who starts with dollars in hand and a merchant who wants dollars, correct?  (Otherwise it is the old fiat-to-bitcoin service that they allready had.)

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Don't you also think a start-up company (the clue's in the phrase) might anticipate a growth in their chosen sector?

Like BitPay and Coinbase, when they started they certainly expected the fiat-to-bitcoin and bitcoin-to-fiat market to grow "exponentially".
legendary
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legendary
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MAXM just changed their bid back to 5000 coins at 350 USD/BTC...
This happened over 24hrs ago..
No. They changed it to just 10 coins like the others. But half an hour ago (09:31 NY time), they went back to 5000 coins.
8 hours ago it was already 5000 coins

No. I have followed it. And watch the timestamp on the bid.

Well, you and everyone else must by on a different internet then.

Norway is right, it disappeared, and then reappeared earlier today.
legendary
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Delusional crypto obsessionist
MAXM just changed their bid back to 5000 coins at 350 USD/BTC...
This happened over 24hrs ago..
No. They changed it to just 10 coins like the others. But half an hour ago (09:31 NY time), they went back to 5000 coins.
8 hours ago it was already 5000 coins

No. I have followed it. And watch the timestamp on the bid.

Well, you and everyone else must by on a different internet then.
legendary
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Bitcoiners are the easiest troll bait ever

Yup. Think I'm done though.
hero member
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Allowing customers to use bitcoin to send money but holding it in USD (which is what's going on, Jorge - instant conversion at the time of use) and never seeing BTC is very neat. They still pay merchants in BTC, but don't need to worry about holding BTC. I can see that it might be nice for merchants to do the same. That removes a major barrier to adoption.

When you use their new service, they will take your USD, pretend to convert it to BTC, but keep the BTC as USD to avoid volatility losses, then pretend to convert the BTC back to USD, and deliver USD to the merchant.
How did you figure it out all this? Or do you suggest that's what YOU would do if you were willing to start a company that clearly supports BTC in the first place?  Undecided

Please ignore my cheap shot about "the main barrier", and tell me what is wrong with my description of Circle's new service.

Circle may have intended to be a bitcoin-centered company when it was created.  However, BitPay's numbers show that the market for fiat-to-bitcoin and bitcoin-to-fiat services is small and shrinking, and the chances of recovering the VC investment and making a profit out of them are slim.  Circle and Coinbase must have realized this a year ago already.   So Circle (and Coinbase) are adding fiat-to-fiat services, whose market is orders of magnitude larger -- perhaps using bitcoin internally, but only if and when it pays.  From the quotes in teh article, it is evident that GS and IDG are interested in Circle as a digital payment processor, not as a bitcoin exchange. 

In case someone is wondering, none of that 50 M$ will go into buying bitcoins.  VC investors do not give money to startups for the startups to play the market with it, or invest it in something else.  If GS wanted to invest in bitcoin, they would do it themselves.  Charlie Lee explained that himself when he was asked how many million would Coinbase invest in BTC.

Ok, I'll humour you.
What happens when a Circle customer wants to buy something over the web from a merchant who isn't a Circle user? Maybe they use BitPay, or another service, or they're happy accepting funds in bitcoins. Do they:
1) Send a cheque, and inform the merchant by email (followed by a phone call)
2) Make a SWIFT transfer
3) Bridge the gap in some other way?

Don't you also think a start-up company (the clue's in the phrase) might anticipate a growth in their chosen sector?

You can humor him all day long, he won't humor back.
legendary
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Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC
Bitcoiners are the easiest troll bait ever
legendary
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Allowing customers to use bitcoin to send money but holding it in USD (which is what's going on, Jorge - instant conversion at the time of use) and never seeing BTC is very neat. They still pay merchants in BTC, but don't need to worry about holding BTC. I can see that it might be nice for merchants to do the same. That removes a major barrier to adoption.

When you use their new service, they will take your USD, pretend to convert it to BTC, but keep the BTC as USD to avoid volatility losses, then pretend to convert the BTC back to USD, and deliver USD to the merchant.
How did you figure it out all this? Or do you suggest that's what YOU would do if you were willing to start a company that clearly supports BTC in the first place?  Undecided

Please ignore my cheap shot about "the main barrier", and tell me what is wrong with my description of Circle's new service.

Circle may have intended to be a bitcoin-centered company when it was created.  However, BitPay's numbers show that the market for fiat-to-bitcoin and bitcoin-to-fiat services is small and shrinking, and the chances of recovering the VC investment and making a profit out of them are slim.  Circle and Coinbase must have realized this a year ago already.   So Circle (and Coinbase) are adding fiat-to-fiat services, whose market is orders of magnitude larger -- perhaps using bitcoin internally, but only if and when it pays.  From the quotes in teh article, it is evident that GS and IDG are interested in Circle as a digital payment processor, not as a bitcoin exchange. 

In case someone is wondering, none of that 50 M$ will go into buying bitcoins.  VC investors do not give money to startups for the startups to play the market with it, or invest it in something else.  If GS wanted to invest in bitcoin, they would do it themselves.  Charlie Lee explained that himself when he was asked how many million would Coinbase invest in BTC.

Ok, I'll humour you.
What happens when a Circle customer wants to buy something over the web from a merchant who isn't a Circle user? Maybe they use BitPay, or another service, or they're happy accepting funds in bitcoins. Do they:
1) Send a cheque, and inform the merchant by email (followed by a phone call)
2) Make a SWIFT transfer
3) Bridge the gap in some other way?

Don't you also think a start-up company (the clue's in the phrase) might anticipate a growth in their chosen sector?
legendary
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Allowing customers to use bitcoin to send money but holding it in USD (which is what's going on, Jorge - instant conversion at the time of use) and never seeing BTC is very neat. They still pay merchants in BTC, but don't need to worry about holding BTC. I can see that it might be nice for merchants to do the same. That removes a major barrier to adoption.

When you use their new service, they will take your USD, pretend to convert it to BTC, but keep the BTC as USD to avoid volatility losses, then pretend to convert the BTC back to USD, and deliver USD to the merchant.
How did you figure it out all this? Or do you suggest that's what YOU would do if you were willing to start a company that clearly supports BTC in the first place?  Undecided

Please ignore my cheap shot about "the main barrier", and tell me what is wrong with my description of Circle's new service.

Circle may have intended to be a bitcoin-centered company when it was created.  However, BitPay's numbers show that the market for fiat-to-bitcoin and bitcoin-to-fiat services is small and shrinking, and the chances of recovering the VC investment and making a profit out of them are slim.  Circle and Coinbase must have realized this a year ago already.   So Circle (and Coinbase) are adding fiat-to-fiat services, whose market is orders of magnitude larger -- perhaps using bitcoin internally, but only if and when it pays.  From the quotes in teh article, it is evident that GS and IDG are interested in Circle as a digital payment processor, not as a bitcoin exchange.  

In case someone is wondering, none of that 50 M$ will go into buying bitcoins.  VC investors do not give money to startups for the startups to play the market with it, or invest it in something else.  If GS wanted to invest in bitcoin, they would do it themselves.  Charlie Lee explained that himself when he was asked how many million would Coinbase invest in BTC.

By god you are short sighted.

The projects that you keep trying to talk for, are not as short sighted imo.




legendary
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Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC
http://Http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/04/30/2127543/meet-the-company-that-wants-to-put-a-bitcoin-miner-in-your-toaster/

 

Did you guys see this? The rumors that 21 will be putting miners in everyday devices appears to be true. They also plan to onboard customers by giving many of these devices away for free!

With the amount of VC money they have attracted it will be interesting to see what they will make of it. However, a space heater where the user keeps all the BTC sounds more sensible. 25% is a scam.
hero member
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Allowing customers to use bitcoin to send money but holding it in USD (which is what's going on, Jorge - instant conversion at the time of use) and never seeing BTC is very neat. They still pay merchants in BTC, but don't need to worry about holding BTC. I can see that it might be nice for merchants to do the same. That removes a major barrier to adoption.

When you use their new service, they will take your USD, pretend to convert it to BTC, but keep the BTC as USD to avoid volatility losses, then pretend to convert the BTC back to USD, and deliver USD to the merchant.
How did you figure it out all this? Or do you suggest that's what YOU would do if you were willing to start a company that clearly supports BTC in the first place?  Undecided

Please ignore my cheap shot about "the main barrier", and tell me what is wrong with my description of Circle's new service.

Circle may have intended to be a bitcoin-centered company when it was created.  However, BitPay's numbers show that the market for fiat-to-bitcoin and bitcoin-to-fiat services is small and shrinking, and the chances of recovering the VC investment and making a profit out of them are slim.  Circle and Coinbase must have realized this a year ago already.   So Circle (and Coinbase) are adding fiat-to-fiat services, whose market is orders of magnitude larger -- perhaps using bitcoin internally, but only if and when it pays.  From the quotes in teh article, it is evident that GS and IDG are interested in Circle as a digital payment processor, not as a bitcoin exchange. 

In case someone is wondering, none of that 50 M$ will go into buying bitcoins.  VC investors do not give money to startups for the startups to play the market with it, or invest it in something else.  If GS wanted to invest in bitcoin, they would do it themselves.  Charlie Lee explained that himself when he was asked how many million would Coinbase invest in BTC.
legendary
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http://Http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/04/30/2127543/meet-the-company-that-wants-to-put-a-bitcoin-miner-in-your-toaster/

 

Did you guys see this? The rumors that 21 will be putting miners in everyday devices appears to be true. They also plan to onboard customers by giving many of these devices away for free!


Interesting.

I have long thought that someone would do this..
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1031
Allowing customers to use bitcoin to send money but holding it in USD (which is what's going on, Jorge - instant conversion at the time of use) and never seeing BTC is very neat. They still pay merchants in BTC, but don't need to worry about holding BTC. I can see that it might be nice for merchants to do the same. That removes a major barrier to adoption.

When you use their new service, they will take your USD, pretend to convert it to BTC, but keep the BTC as USD to avoid volatility losses, then pretend to convert the BTC back to USD, and deliver USD to the merchant.

That certainly removes the biggest barrier to bitcoin adoption -- which is bitcoin itself.

No. This is abundantly clearly not what they're doing. I can't tell any more if you mean it or are trolling, but it's rather silly.
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