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For shits and giggles let's say tomorrow we get 2 announcements, one that the Bitlicense is ready (and it looks good), and the other that the ETF is officially approved. Speculate on the madness that ensues.  Tongue

3 words:

epic short sqeeze

It would be beautiful.

Keep dreaming, bulls.  It's about the only thing you can still afford Smiley
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What is going on??? Why is the market so dead?
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For shits and giggles let's say tomorrow we get 2 announcements, one that the Bitlicense is ready (and it looks good), and the other that the ETF is officially approved. Speculate on the madness that ensues.  Tongue

3 words:

epic short sqeeze

It would be beautiful.
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For shits and giggles let's say tomorrow we get 2 announcements, one that the Bitlicense is ready (and it looks good), and the other that the ETF is officially approved. Speculate on the madness that ensues.  Tongue

3 words:

epic short sqeeze
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legendary
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For shits and giggles let's say tomorrow we get 2 announcements, one that the Bitlicense is ready (and it looks good), and the other that the ETF is officially approved. Speculate on the madness that ensues.  Tongue
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Myth #7: We’ll end up just like Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe.
Reality: Hyperinflation in both countries was caused by circumstances far different than ours.


The minute you challenge the assumption that the government should not spend when it has a large deficit, out comes the charge that we’ll get some horrible hyperinflationary outcome like Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe.

Yes, once the economy gets to full employment, then extra government deficit spending can start driving up prices. But what happened in Weimar Germany was very different. During that time, the government was forced to pay extremely large war reparations in foreign currencies which it didn’t have. So it had to aggressively sell its own currency and buy the foreign currency in the financial markets. This relentless selling continuously drove down the value of its currency, causing prices of goods and services to go ever higher in what became one of the most famous inflations of all time. By 1919, the German budget deficit was equal to half of GDP, and by 1921, war reparation payments represented one third of government spending. And guess what? On the very day that government stopped paying the war reparations and selling its own currency to buy foreign currency, the hyperinflation stopped.

In Zimbabwe, the situation is also very different from ours. There, the conditions for hyperinflation were caused by the destruction of nearly half of the country’s domestic food production via misguided land reforms, plus a civil war which eliminated much of the economy’s productive manufacturing capacity. In response to food shortages, the Bank of Zimbabwe used valuable foreign exchange reserves to buy imported food, leading to a lack of foreign currency to purchase essential raw materials. Manufacturing output collapsed, but the government used much of the remaining foreign exchange to dole out political favors, rather than adding to the country’s productive capacity. The end result was inflation and then hyperinflation.

In the US, hyperinflation will not be an issue if the government spends while it has a large deficit because with high unemployment and unused yet functioning factories all across the country, there is plenty of room to cut taxes and/or increase spending to get us to full employment. This is true no matter what the size of the federal deficit. Ultimately, inflation (and then hyperinflation) is about competing distributive claims over real resources, such as oil, gas, water, etc. A “sustainable” fiscal policy, especially with respect to hyperinflationary risks, then, is really about both the establishment of full employment and the implementation of well-crafted policies which deal with the constraints created by, for example, depleting natural resources.

~Marshall Auerback, Senior Fellow at the Roosevelt Institute and Rob Parenteau, sole proprietor of MacroStrategy Edge

MYTH #8: Government spending increases interest rates and ‘crowds out’ valuable private sector investment.
Reality: Banks can lend essentially without limit, and the Fed can hit any interest rate target it chooses.

Ask an economist what determines the interest rate, and she’ll probably mutter something about supply and demand or “market forces.” Ask the same economist what determines the level of saving and investment, and the answer probably won’t change very much. This is because most economists were trained using textbooks that have not been rewritten since the United States went off the gold standard after WWII.

Back then, we had a monetary system that really did limit the growth of the money supply, and too much government spending really could force rates higher and crowd out other forms of spending. It is all based on something economists know as Loanable Funds Theory, which describes a market in which there is some limited pool of savings available to satisfy the demand for credit. Thus, deficit spending required the government to compete (with private borrowers) for a portion of these limited resources. Because the capacity to lend was constrained under the gold standard, the added competition could drive borrowing costs (i.e. the interest rate) higher.

Decades later, the monetary system looks completely different. But economists continue to treat governments as if they are the users of the currency (as opposed to the issuers) and to treat banks as passive money lenders — there simply to broker deals between savers and borrowers. In truth, banks can lend essentially without limit, regardless of what the federal government is doing, and the Federal Reserve can hit any interest rate target it chooses.

~Stephanie Kelton, Associate Professor, University of Missouri-Kansas City, Missouri



Here is more about the subject:
http://my.firedoglake.com/selise/tag/stephanie-kelton/


Here interesting video in short if you don't have time to read much:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGen5o6vAmw
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"The story of the destruction of the German mark during the hyper-inflation of Weimar Germany from 1919 to its horrific peak in November 1923 is usually dismissed as a bizarre anomaly in the economic history of the twentieth century. But no episode better illustrates the dire consequences of unsound money or makes a more devastating, real-life case against fiat-currency: where there is no restraint, monetary death will follow.

“It matters little that the causes of the Weimar inflation are in many ways unrepeatable; that political conditions are different, or that it is almost inconceivable that financial chaos would ever again be allowed to develop so far,” wrote British historian and MP Adam Fergusson in his 1975 classic, When Money Dies. “The question to be asked — the danger to be recognized — is how inflation, however caused, affects a nation.”

The US Federal Reserve of 2014 is not the Reichsbank of 1914. Yet today’s policy mindset is dangerously reminiscent of the attitudes that helped to excacerbate the economic downfall of inter-war Germany. These include: the unrestrained financing of budget deficits under war and post-war conditions; the unaccountable creation of the money supply by a central bank; the creation of undisciplined credit linked to this expansion of the money supply; the aggressive inflating of asset values; the discounting of short-term treasury bills and notes in practically unlimited amounts; rapid currency depreciation, and a ratio of federal debt to GDP over 100 percent."

http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/27637/

Seems like my "Goldmark" has more in common with USD, than Bitcoin, Lambie Wink
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Japan and China at their desks.

No volume.

Looks dangerous.

yah ppl in China are by their desks at 6:30am...
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An aside for those who don't follow Bitcoin "securities":  The original pic, without the text, was taken from the website of NeoBee, Bitcoin's Premiere Bank, A Cyprus-based institution which ran away with investor's coin.  Just like Pirate@40's Bitcoin Savings and Loan, Ukyo's WeEx, TradeFortress'  whatever he called that thing, etc., etc. Cheesy

And here's me with a 1910 "Goldmark", a government currency, backed by gold and unable to collect. Don't forget the Deutsche Bundesbank  in your list of "scammers".

Lol, yes, there were gold-backed (i.e. "not fiat") currencies [almost] as bad as your SexCoin, what's your point?

Just that no currency is carries absolute security, wars, empires, and currencies come and go.. At the end of the day you are trusting some sort of promissory note.

And this comes as a revelation to you?


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Japan and China at their desks.

No volume.

Looks dangerous.
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Ay, c'mon dude! No more valid trendlines. That's sad!

I will search and post some valid trendline tomorrow, since you Bulls can't find one. A bear has to search for bullish stuff...

...wall observer what has become of you?!

If you break it I will call it non valid but if not you are fucked! muh ah ah ah

Deal  Grin
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Ay, c'mon dude! No more valid trendlines. That's sad!

I will search and post some valid trendline tomorrow, since you Bulls can't find one. A bear has to search for bullish stuff...

...wall observer what has become of you?!

If you break it I will call it invalid but if not you are fucked! muh ah ah ah
legendary
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What about our longterm trendlines? Have the bulls found a new trendline bears can break, after we now have broken all posted trendline of the last 14 months?

We need a new goal.

go break it and I will call you my personal jesus!



That's no valid trendline. It's violated from the beginning and inaccurate.

People forget it could capitulate to $70 0r $100 or whatever but still form a hammer on the 3day. Thus, 200 holding but hammer extension down to the bottom.

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What about our longterm trendlines? Have the bulls found a new trendline bears can break, after we now have broken all posted trendline of the last 14 months?

We need a new goal.

go break it and I will call you my personal jesus!



That's no valid trendline. It's violated from the beginning and inaccurate.

bear fart!



Ay, c'mon dude! No more valid trendlines. That's sad!

I will search and post some valid trendline tomorrow, since you Bulls can't find one. A bear has to search for bullish stuff...

...wall observer what has become of you?!
sr. member
Activity: 462
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An aside for those who don't follow Bitcoin "securities":  The original pic, without the text, was taken from the website of NeoBee, Bitcoin's Premiere Bank, A Cyprus-based institution which ran away with investor's coin.  Just like Pirate@40's Bitcoin Savings and Loan, Ukyo's WeEx, TradeFortress'  whatever he called that thing, etc., etc. Cheesy

And here's me with a 1910 "Goldmark", a government currency, backed by gold and unable to collect. Don't forget the Deutsche Bundesbank  in your list of "scammers".

Lol, yes, there were gold-backed (i.e. "not fiat") currencies [almost] as bad as your SexCoin, what's your point?

Just that no currency is carries absolute security, wars, empires, and currencies come and go.. At the end of the day you are trusting some sort of promissory note.
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Ten days ago, Ben Lawsky was on Money Talking, New York Public Radio. He shares a positive outlook on Bitcoin and regulation, and says the BitLicense will arrive within days.

http://www.wnyc.org/story/theres-new-electronic-sheriff-coming-town/

+1. had a listen. posted it here.

this is 1 BIG news in 2015. Noticed how he said BitLicense would pretty much be a template Nationwide and possible other fglobal financial hubs? That is BIG

Yeah I wonder when that is going tto be announced....how long is that gonna take who knows

Lawsky said, on 1/9, that BitLicense would be announced "within days". Quoted from the WNYC link above.

http://www.coindesk.com/lawsky-outlines-revisions-new-yorks-bitlicense-dc-speech/
A final version of the BitLicense framework is expected in January, one year after the initial hearings began in New York.
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And it's been almost 10 days........
legendary
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What about our longterm trendlines? Have the bulls found a new trendline bears can break, after we now have broken all posted trendline of the last 14 months?

We need a new goal.

go break it and I will call you my personal jesus!



That's no valid trendline. It's violated from the beginning and inaccurate.

bear fart!

sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254

An aside for those who don't follow Bitcoin "securities":  The original pic, without the text, was taken from the website of NeoBee, Bitcoin's Premiere Bank, A Cyprus-based institution which ran away with investor's coin.  Just like Pirate@40's Bitcoin Savings and Loan, Ukyo's WeEx, TradeFortress'  whatever he called that thing, etc., etc. Cheesy

And here's me with a 1910 "Goldmark", a government currency, backed by gold and unable to collect. Don't forget the Deutsche Bundesbank  in your list of "scammers".

Lol, yes, there were gold-backed (i.e. "not fiat") currencies [almost] as bad as your SexCoin, what's your point?
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