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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 23959. (Read 26709972 times)

legendary
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all that talk about mass adoption and price skyrocketing, especially in 3rd world countries. 

did any of you consider scenario where mass adoption leads to massive price decrease?

the more people use it to transfer value (transfer as opposed to hodl) less value it has.

Perhaps you can talk us through the precise mechanism whereby millions of people buy in to bitcoin but the price falls.
legendary
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did any of you consider scenario where mass adoption leads to massive price decrease?
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You can't trust the poor with money--it's a scientifical fact.

If bitcoin was really about solving poor people problems, then it should have been distributed for free with all of them. But we all know that kind of approach would have never worked out.

Instead it will be sold to them at high prices, so all people who invested before (mostly from rich countries) can make lot of profit.

And don't get me wrong, early adopters deserve all that profit. But don't come to sell that lie about poor people, because poors will be the last ones to benefit.
sr. member
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did any of you consider scenario where mass adoption leads to massive price decrease?
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You can't trust the poor with money--it's a scientifical fact.
legendary
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Merit: 1011
all that talk about mass adoption and price skyrocketing, especially in 3rd world countries. 

did any of you consider scenario where mass adoption leads to massive price decrease?

the more people use it to transfer value (transfer as opposed to hodl) less value it has.
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1116
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Who are these extremely poor individuals that know how to set up very specific complicated hardware setup that cannot afford electricity?
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The unbanked third-world poor who will benefit the most from Bitcoin Cool

Good morning, gentlemen!
Not necessary if it the prices are low, then they would be at losses too.


I think hope The Reverend FatherBob was being sarcastic.

The lord works in mysterious ways, brother
sr. member
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Who are these extremely poor individuals that know how to set up very specific complicated hardware setup that cannot afford electricity?
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The unbanked third-world poor who will benefit the most from Bitcoin Cool

Good morning, gentlemen!
Not necessary if it the prices are low, then they would be at losses too.


I think hope The Reverend FatherBob was being sarcastic.
legendary
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legendary
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Merit: 1014
Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC
Mining is just a different way to buy bitcoins.

You could deal with the exchanges, pay a premium at localbitcoins, use your credit card on various sites paying 10-20% or buy some Bitcoin miners and slowly accumulate bitcoins over time.

"Waahh...they have to pay for electricity". Ya...I have to pay the exchange to get my bitcoins. What's the difference?

Do you think it's all poor people with no incomes mining bitcoins? My co-worker who I know mines bitcoins has a six figure income. He mines because he wants to get a lot of bitcoins and enjoys hardware and technology. He can certainly afford to pay for electricity without cashing out his bitcoins.

Or you can just send your money to an exchange and pay only a maximum of 0.5% fee... lol. Don't be denial.
If you are mining as an individual you will end up paying more than 20%, some individuals only recovered 25% of what they invested in mining equipment...

Or you could deal with the exchanges...  Roll Eyes

When you buy your miner you get an estimate of how many bitcoins you will get based upon difficulty. You purchase and mine. You are essentially paying for bitcoins.

Who are these extremely poor individuals that know how to set up very specific complicated hardware setup that cannot afford electricity?

Why not calculate the amount of people that own bitcoins and say "300,000 people own bitcoins, they have to pay for food, rent, electricity, water, gas, etc... this all comes out to $2 billion per month that people will need to sell their bitcoins to pay for. Bitcoin to -$1000 in 3 months".

Because people who don't think all the governments in the world will suddenly collapse without the internet being pulled down with it, wants their investments to make money; not drain money. You have to eat, you have to sleep. You don't have to have a 1,5MW bitcoin mining farm 2h drive from where you live.
sr. member
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18k shorts on Bitfinex. Nothing to see here !



How many longs? Does 18k shorts on Bitfinex mean the price is likely to go up or down?
member
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Who are these extremely poor individuals that know how to set up very specific complicated hardware setup that cannot afford electricity?
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The unbanked third-world poor who will benefit the most from Bitcoin Cool

Good morning, gentlemen!
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playing pasta and eating mandolinos
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
Mining is just a different way to buy bitcoins.

You could deal with the exchanges, pay a premium at localbitcoins, use your credit card on various sites paying 10-20% or buy some Bitcoin miners and slowly accumulate bitcoins over time.

"Waahh...they have to pay for electricity". Ya...I have to pay the exchange to get my bitcoins. What's the difference?

Do you think it's all poor people with no incomes mining bitcoins? My co-worker who I know mines bitcoins has a six figure income. He mines because he wants to get a lot of bitcoins and enjoys hardware and technology. He can certainly afford to pay for electricity without cashing out his bitcoins.

Or you can just send your money to an exchange and pay only a maximum of 0.5% fee... lol. Don't be denial.
If you are mining as an individual you will end up paying more than 20%, some individuals only recovered 25% of what they invested in mining equipment...

Or you could deal with the exchanges...  Roll Eyes

When you buy your miner you get an estimate of how many bitcoins you will get based upon difficulty. You purchase and mine. You are essentially paying for bitcoins.

Who are these extremely poor individuals that know how to set up very specific complicated hardware setup that cannot afford electricity?

Why not calculate the amount of people that own bitcoins and say "300,000 people own bitcoins, they have to pay for food, rent, electricity, water, gas, etc... this all comes out to $2 billion per month that people will need to sell their bitcoins to pay for. Bitcoin to -$1000 in 3 months".
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1000
18k shorts on Bitfinex. Nothing to see here !

legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 1014
Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC
Mining is just a different way to buy bitcoins.

You could deal with the exchanges, pay a premium at localbitcoins, use your credit card on various sites paying 10-20% or buy some Bitcoin miners and slowly accumulate bitcoins over time.

"Waahh...they have to pay for electricity". Ya...I have to pay the exchange to get my bitcoins. What's the difference?

Do you think it's all poor people with no incomes mining bitcoins? My co-worker who I know mines bitcoins has a six figure income. He mines because he wants to get a lot of bitcoins and enjoys hardware and technology. He can certainly afford to pay for electricity without cashing out his bitcoins.

Or you can just send your money to an exchange and pay only a maximum of 0.5% fee... lol. Don't be denial.
If you are mining as an individual you will end up paying more than 20%, some individuals only recovered 25% of what they invested in mining equipment...


And those that are doing OK are saving coins and waiting for the next gen 14/16nm FinFet machines to hit the market in early to mid 2015. As long as difficulty goes down that is a quite comfortable position. But it also means we might have a wave of coins on the market in 2-3 months time.

Those who are doing OK are probably cashing out, staying in fiat and then they will buy that new chips when they come to the market.
There is not point to hold bitcoin as an investment until this bear trend is over, if your plan is to sell them in a few months in order to get equipment. (And not holding longterm)

Unless you don't have a bank account (should not be a problem if you have enough money to pay for a lot a miners), or you are illegaly avoiding taxes.

Different countries deal with mining differently. If bitcoin is seen as a commodity you have to declare your inventory, but you don't need to clear your inventory for the new years. If a miner believes in his business he wouldn't see any need to dump immediately just because we might be in a bear market. Miners are truly committed to bitcoin with physical HW in physical buildings with real bills. They can't just jump over to ripple whenever the wind changes. They will have to ride the waves anyway. So they have an eye on the market. And right now they see that we are still above the early October low of $275. It all makes sense.
legendary
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full member
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The Greater Rule of Thirds will not give in to a Lesser Rule of Thirds below 270. It would kill the arbitrage and altcoin markets. Superstition, emotion, and margin trading will drive price up to 360 because the short sellers have run out of space.

btc swap liquidity on bfx is drying up.



only expensive coins can be borrowed

will be interesting to watch...



wow...

0.08% per day, thats like 28% per year..., in bitcoin...  that is very nice. Gentlemen
You should include the drops in that as well.
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1001
Mining is just a different way to buy bitcoins.

You could deal with the exchanges, pay a premium at localbitcoins, use your credit card on various sites paying 10-20% or buy some Bitcoin miners and slowly accumulate bitcoins over time.

"Waahh...they have to pay for electricity". Ya...I have to pay the exchange to get my bitcoins. What's the difference?

Do you think it's all poor people with no incomes mining bitcoins? My co-worker who I know mines bitcoins has a six figure income. He mines because he wants to get a lot of bitcoins and enjoys hardware and technology. He can certainly afford to pay for electricity without cashing out his bitcoins.

Or you can just send your money to an exchange and pay only a maximum of 0.5% fee... lol. Don't be denial.
If you are mining as an individual you will end up paying more than 20%, some individuals only recovered 25% of what they invested in mining equipment...


And those that are doing OK are saving coins and waiting for the next gen 14/16nm FinFet machines to hit the market in early to mid 2015. As long as difficulty goes down that is a quite comfortable position. But it also means we might have a wave of coins on the market in 2-3 months time.

Those who are doing OK are probably cashing out, staying in fiat and then they will buy that new chips when they come to the market.
There is not point to hold bitcoin as an investment until this bear trend is over, if your plan is to sell them in a few months in order to get equipment. (And not holding longterm)

Unless you don't have a bank account (should not be a problem if you have enough money to pay for a lot a miners), or you are illegaly avoiding taxes.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
The Greater Rule of Thirds will not give in to a Lesser Rule of Thirds below 270. It would kill the arbitrage and altcoin markets. Superstition, emotion, and margin trading will drive price up to 360 because the short sellers have run out of space.

btc swap liquidity on bfx is drying up.



only expensive coins can be borrowed

will be interesting to watch...



wow...

0.08% per day, thats like 28% per year..., in bitcoin...  that is very nice. Gentlemen
legendary
Activity: 3598
Merit: 2386
Viva Ut Vivas
Mining is just a different way to buy bitcoins.

You could deal with the exchanges, pay a premium at localbitcoins, use your credit card on various sites paying 10-20% or buy some Bitcoin miners and slowly accumulate bitcoins over time.

"Waahh...they have to pay for electricity". Ya...I have to pay the exchange to get my bitcoins. What's the difference?

Do you think it's all poor people with no incomes mining bitcoins? My co-worker who I know mines bitcoins has a six figure income. He mines because he wants to get a lot of bitcoins and enjoys hardware and technology. He can certainly afford to pay for electricity without cashing out his bitcoins.
legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 1014
Make Bitcoin glow with ENIAC
Till now my bitcoin adventure has been short and painful Tongue

The bitcoin mining network costs over 1 million dollars per day.  That money can only come from one place: the pockets of people who buy bitcoins now and hold them, or sell them at a loss.

So, be proud of having done your part in this noble enterprise.  Undecided
Um it only costs money to those that freely choose to pay, not forced at gunpoint.

i wonder where 1 million dollars counted from Huh

what if miner only sell 10% of there mined coin every month Huh

Because miners need to pay electricity bills, maintenance expenses,  cover initial investment, they don't have a high margin nowadays (just go and check how mining difficulty is going down) and most of them don't want to hold in this bearish trend.

Probably most of the miners have, at least, expenses around 80-90% of what they mine including all previous points. (And I'm not counting a lot of miners who are doing it at a loss if you count initial investment, and will never recover that money). Some miners, even if they sell 100% of what they mine, they will be at a loss.

There is no way miners are dumping less than that. And of course 10% is impossible, that would mean miners are doing it at a huge fiat loss for a year. I'm sure if some of them were holding expecting higher price, they already run out of liquidity and are forced to liquidate their bitcoins in order to pay their bills every month.

And those that are doing OK are saving coins and waiting for the next gen 14/16nm FinFet machines to hit the market in early to mid 2015. As long as difficulty goes down that is a quite comfortable position. But it also means we might have a wave of coins on the market in 2-3 months time.
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